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Re: Navalny protests
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: February 7, 2021, 8:43 pm
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Some musings on the Navalny protests from a Ukrainian point of
view:
HTML https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/russias-navalny-protests-provoke-mixed-emotions-in-ukraine/
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> The anti-corruption ideals and democratic principles
championed by Navalny are also very much in line with the values
Ukraine itself has been attempting to embrace ever since the
country’s 2014 Euromaidan Revolution.
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The main point of the Maidan was getting rid of Yanukovych and,
by extension, out of Russia's sphere of influence. The views of
the participants spanned the entire political spectrum. There
was no such thing as a common ideological goal or a common
vision of what post-Yanukovych Ukraine should look like. In
addition to that, Yanukovych himself was nothing less than the
product of a democratic system (and Russian propaganda actually
never gets tired of stressing that the Maidan ousted a
democratically elected president!). The fact that this system
didn't work as some voters would have desired doesn't make it
any less democratic.
Ukraine and its friends need to remember this. Framing the
Maidan as pro-democracy (or pro-anything else for that matter)
rather than simply anti-Yanukovych and anti-Russian is extremely
dangerous. After all, democracy (or anything else)-leaning
Duginist factions might succeed in turning Russia democratic (or
anything else) one day. They might argue then that now that
Russia has adopted democracy (or anything else), there would be
no more obstacles to Ukraine and Russia 'uniting'. They could
even go as far as claiming that such a union would be truer to
the spirit of the (ostensibly pro-democracy/anything else)
Maidan than Ukrainian independence if Russia is more efficient
at implementing democracy (or anything else) than Ukraine!
The other thing is that this kind of framing empowers defeatist
narratives according to which the Maidan failed, because except
for geopolitics, very little changed about the system as such.
From a purely anti-Russian point of view, the Maidan was a
tremendous success however. Yanukovych is gone and Ukraine is
pushing for NATO- and EU-integration. While it admittedly didn't
succeed in stamping out all pro-Russian factions in society
(only state-controlled reproduction and the wholesale
extermination of Turanian bloodlines can), these factions
continue to enjoy a tougher time than ever before the Maidan.
The initial success of the Maidan still needs to be properly
capitalized on though. The next natural step is to extinguish
sources of 'Russian World'-ideas that are not as easily
identifiable as openly pro-Russia lobbyists (examples include
the other Orthodox churches besides the openly pro-Russia Moscow
Patriarchate, which nevertheless remain highly traditionalist,
as well as the far
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/duginism/?message=961-right
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/duginism/?message=968),<br
/>hopefully some day ushering in the establishment of a folkish
state.
Returning to Navalny, there certainly is no common factor
between his movement and the Maidan. As has been outlined
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/aleksiei-navalny/?message=1427<br
/>before
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/aryanism's-hostility-towards-russia-and-eastern-european-people/?message=3862,<br
/>Navalny is very much an advocate of the 'Russian World' and as
such diametrically opposed to the anti-Russian Maidan. The
correct way to draw the battle line is Ukraine vs. Russia, not
democracy vs. non-democracy.
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> Navalny is by no means the first Russian figure to be lauded
by the democratic world while holding deeply undemocratic views
on Ukraine. Russian literary legend Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn is
another prominent example of this long and lamentable tradition.
Solzhenitsyn famously won a Nobel Prize for his books exposing
the horrors of Soviet Communism, but went on to become a bitter
opponent
HTML https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-putin-solzhenitsyn-1990-essay/26561244.html<br
/>of Ukrainian independence.
--- End Quote ---
Yes! The West has historically preferred to back 'the other
Russia' rather than supporting Russia's wholesale opponents. See
also here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/enemies/duginism/?message=3079
Also, Navalny's views on Ukraine are not 'undemocratic'. In
fact, he would doubtlessly have a majority of the Russian
population backing them already now! His views are Duginist,
pure and simple.
#Post#: 4185--------------------------------------------------
Re: Navalny protests
DIR By: guest5
Date: February 13, 2021, 6:03 pm
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Irish MEP slates 'Russophobia' in Euro parliament, calls Navalny
racist
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> An Irish MEP has called Alexey Navalny a ‘racist’ and slammed
the European parliament for its ‘Russophobia’ over its reaction
to a visit to Moscow by EU High Representative for Foreign
Affairs Josep Borrell.
> More than 50 members signed a letter last week condemning
Borrell for not confronting the Kremlin over the jailing of
opposition figure Navalny.
> However, left-wing MEP Clare Daly, of the Independents 4
Change party, backed Borrell, telling the chamber:
> ‘Listening to the relentless Russophobia in this place, why
are people surprised that Russia sees no point in engaging with
the EU? I am as happy as anybody else to stand up for anybody’s
rights including Navalny’s. But let’s be honest about him.
> ‘He is a vicious, anti-immigrant racist on maybe four percent
of the support and rallying hundreds of thousands in cities of
millions, hardly a mass movement. And we would not be discussing
him at all if he had been arrested anywhere else other than in
Russia.’
> She added that, meanwhile, Julian Assange has been detained
for ‘exposing US war crimes’ and listed other people jailed for
political reasons without sanctions on the countries holding
them.
> She also claimed that there is a ‘geopolitical agenda fuelled
by a military-industrial complex that who need an enemy to
justify their millions’ and that Borrell was right to go to
Moscow because ‘we should be engaged in dialogue not war’.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dnkn-MvM3U
Conflicts over Nord Stream 2 reignite as Europe plans to
sanction Russia over Navalny
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> Russia says it could sever ties with the EU if it continues
with sanctions over the jailing of Alexei Navalny. Kremlin
critic Navalny could face more jail time over a defamation case
for describing a World War II veteran as a traitor. The charge
carries a maximum penalty of two years in prison. The natural
gas pipeline Nord Stream 2 that starts in Russia has become a
center piece of international political conflict.
>
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABdZdlR5pS0
Russia is ‘ready’ to break up with the EU if it imposes new
sanctions – Lavrov
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> A new round of economic sanctions, currently under
consideration in Brussels, could lead to Russia breaking off
relations with the EU. Russian FM Lavrov says that Russia is
‘ready’ to make this decision if the EU introduces sanctions
that create risks for Russia’s economy.
--- End Quote ---
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Re: Navalny protests
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: February 15, 2021, 6:32 am
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--- Quote from: Clare Daly link ---
> He is a vicious, anti-immigrant racist
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...and yet you would still 'stand up' for his 'rights', as you
stated merely a sentence before:
--- Quote from: Clare Daly link ---
> I am as happy as anybody else to stand up for anybody’s rights
including Navalny’s.
--- End Quote ---
This tells us all we need to know about you.
--- Quote from: Clare Daly link ---
> hardly a mass movement
--- End Quote ---
Even if it were, that would be irrelevant. What matters is
whether his movement is ethical or not (which, for the record, I
think it is not).
--- Quote from: Clare Daly link ---
> And we would not be discussing him at all if he had been
arrested anywhere else other than in Russia.
--- End Quote ---
Zionists often claim that Israel is held to different standards
than the rest of the world, too. I don't take them seriously
either.
--- Quote from: Clare Daly link ---
> Julian Assange
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This is the guy we're talking about:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange
--- Quote ---
> On 22 July 2016, WikiLeaks released emails and documents from
the Democratic National Committee (DNC) [...] The New York Times
reported that Assange accused Clinton of pushing for his
indictment and that he had timed the release to coincide with
the 2016 Democratic National Convention.
>
> ...
>
> On 4 October 2016, in a teleconference with Assange, reporters
spoke of a promise to reveal further information which would
bring Clinton's candidacy down, calling this "The October
Surprise". Rightwing pundits as well as Trump campaign staffers
like Roger Stone also hinted at further releases to be imminent.
>
> ...
>
> Shortly after the Post article was released, also on 7
October, Assange posted a press release on WikiLeaks exposing a
second batch of emails with over 2,000 mails from Clinton
campaign chairman John Podesta.
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...in other words, Assange was complicit in bringing Trump to
power by damaging Clinton's campaign. Whatever good he might
have done exposing US war crimes is offset by the fact that by
supporting Trump, he supported the same Western
Civilization-leaning US which made these war crimes possible in
the first place.
So why does Daly really care about Assange?
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> In September 2017, Assange released "Spy Files Russia,"
revealing "how a St. Petersburg-based technology company called
Peter-Service helped Russian state entities gather detailed data
on Russian cellphone users, part of a national system of online
surveillance called System for Operative Investigative
Activities (SORM)." [...] It was suggested that the release was
approved by the Russian government and was an attempt to
distract from the Mueller investigation.
--- End Quote ---
Furthermore:
HTML https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/17/wikileaks-turned-down-leaks-on-russian-government-during-u-s-presidential-campaign/
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> In the summer of 2016, as WikiLeaks was publishing documents
from Democratic operatives allegedly obtained by
Kremlin-directed hackers, Julian Assange turned down a large
cache of documents related to the Russian government, according
to chat messages and a source who provided the records.
>
> ...
>
> “We had several leaks sent to Wikileaks, including the Russian
hack. It would have exposed Russian activities and shown
WikiLeaks was not controlled by Russian security services,” the
source who provided the messages wrote to FP. “Many Wikileaks
staff and volunteers or their families suffered at the hands of
Russian corruption and cruelty, we were sure Wikileaks would
release it. Assange gave excuse after excuse.”
>
> The Russian cache was eventually quietly published online
elsewhere, to almost no attention or scrutiny.
>
> ...
>
> Assange in 2012 had his own show on the Kremlin-funded news
network RT, and that same year, he produced episodes for the
network where he interviewed opposition thinkers like Noam
Chomsky and so-called “cypherpunks.”
>
> ...
>
> When Novaya Gazeta reported in April 2016 on the 11.5 million
documents known as the Panama Papers, which exposed how powerful
figures worldwide hide their money overseas, Assange publicly
criticized the work. He suggested that reporters had
“cherry-picked” the documents to publish for optimal “Putin
bashing, North Korea bashing, sanctions bashing, etc.” while
giving Western figures a pass.
>
> In fact, news outlets involved in publishing leaks reported on
a number of Western figures, including then-British Prime
Minister David Cameron.
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Need I say any more?
--- Quote from: Clare Daly link ---
> we should be engaged in dialogue not war
--- End Quote ---
Russia preferred war to dialogue in, among others, Chechnya,
Georgia and Ukraine. Why wouldn't Russia receive the same
treatment?
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Re: Duginism
DIR By: guest5
Date: March 2, 2021, 9:40 pm
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US slaps sanctions on Russia over Navalny poisoning
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> The United States on Tuesday imposed sanctions on Russian
individuals and entities over Russia’s attempt to kill
opposition figure Alexey Navalny with a nerve agent, said senior
officials from the administration of US President Joe Biden. The
officials said the moves were in coordination with the European
Union. They reiterated Biden’s call for Russia to release
Navalny from prison. The sanctions were a response to what the
officials said was a Russian attempt to assassinate Navalny last
year, an accusation Russia denies.
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(Meant to put this under Navalny Protests section).
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Re: Navalny protests
DIR By: guest5
Date: April 9, 2021, 10:59 pm
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McFaul: Putin’s Treatment Of Navalny Proves ‘This Is A Regime
That Is In Decay’
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> Former U.S. Ambassador to Russia Michael McFaul explains what
Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny is enduring in prison,
and what the arrest of his doctor means for Russia’s political
climate.
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnfmV1DD9vg
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Re: Navalny protests
DIR By: guest5
Date: April 23, 2021, 8:35 pm
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Putin Critic Alexei Navalny Ends Hunger Strike As Russia
Withdraws Troops From Ukrainian Border
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> Putin critic Alexei Navalny announced on social media that he
has ended his hunger strike, saying “we had achieved enough”
after Russia ordered troops to withdraw from the Ukrainian
border. NBC News’ Matt Bodner breaks down the latest on
Navalny’s condition and his road to recovery.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msszVessBLI
Alexei Navalny: will the West stand up to Russia? | The
Economist
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> Alexei Navalny’s hunger strike has prompted widespread
international support. Vladimir Putin has warned that any
country meddling in Russia’s affairs will “regret their
actions”. How should the West respond to a tyrant like Putin?
--- End Quote ---
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