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       #Post#: 5743--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
       people
   DIR By: Dazhbog
       Date: April 22, 2021, 4:58 am
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       --- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
       > so the Inorodtsy policy is obsolete and not used anymore by
       Russian government
       --- End Quote ---
       Apartheid, Jim Crow etc. officially ended, too, but that doesn't
       mean white supremacy is dead in South Africa or the US.
       --- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
       > you should consider Australia, New Zealand, United States, and
       Canada also have discriminating behavior too
       --- End Quote ---
       We do. Therefore we support movements such as Black Lives
       Matter, which resist such behavior. No such movements exist in
       Russia however.
       --- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
       > their European settlers still do like what their ancestors did
       in the past, live in indigenous people's territory outside their
       original place of live, Europe...
       --- End Quote ---
       ...as do the Russian settlers in Siberia, the North Caucasus and
       other places Russia colonized.
       #Post#: 5744--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
       people
   DIR By: guest30
       Date: April 22, 2021, 6:49 am
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       @Dazhbog
       --- Quote ---
       > "We do. Therefore we support movements such as Black Lives
       Matter, which resist such behavior. No such movements exist in
       Russia however."
       --- End Quote ---
       Russia rarely in history records persecuted "black" people, even
       in post-colonial era its Russia, not the West who assist
       colonized "black" people in Africa to struggle to fight against
       "White" Western European colonial people  and their apartheid
       and oppressive authority
       Source :
  HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa%E2%80%93Soviet_Union_relations#Overview
       After 1953, the continent underwent a rapid process of
       decolonization, whereby nearly all the colonies became
       independent nations. However, the nationalist movement was led
       by the better educated young middle-class that had little
       exposure to communism or socialism.[2] Soviet leaders, beginning
       with Nikita Khrushchev, were excited by the enthusiastic young
       black Africans who first came to Moscow for a major youth
       festival in 1957. Patrice Lumumba Peoples' Friendship University
       was established in Moscow in 1960 to provide higher education to
       students from developing countries. It became an integral part
       of the Soviet cultural offensive in nonaligned countries.[3]
       The Kremlin saw an opportunity, and established four foreign
       policy goals regarding Africa. First it wanted a lasting
       presence on the continent, including port facilities in the
       Indian Ocean. Second it wanted to gain a voice in African
       affairs, primarily by supporting local communist parties, and
       providing economic and military aid to the governments. Third it
       wanted to undermine Western/NATO influence. However the Kremlin
       was reluctant to send Soviet troops because of its fear of a
       major escalation with NATO powers. Fidel Castro sent 300,000
       Cuban troops to Africa to support fellow revolutionaries against
       Western imperialism. The Kremlin thought Castro's adventurism
       was dangerous but it was unable to stop him.[4] And finally,
       after 1962, it was engaged in a bitter controversy with China
       for influence and control of local radical movements.[5]
       Stalin thought in terms of a black and white world of class
       conflict, capitalists versus the proletariat. Khrushchev said it
       was a three-way contest, the third pole being bourgeois
       nationalist movements that were inherently anti-imperialist and
       were demanding decolonization across the globe. The favorite
       technique therefore was to identify the Soviet Union with the
       rising tide of nationalism – to demonstrate that they in Moscow
       were engaged in a common struggle against Western
       imperialism.[6] Moscow also expected that the Soviet model of
       industrialization and nationalization would prove attractive,
       but that approach did not resonate with the nationalistic
       forces, which were black based on the small middle class and
       were socializing the means of production.[7] The passive
       reliance on the Soviet model of development failed because of
       the unreliability of local leaders, and by the Congo crisis. The
       Kremlin learned that it was essential to find and promote
       ideologically reliable leaders, who needed Soviet help to build
       enough military strength to control their country.[8]
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       > ...as do the Russian settlers in Siberia, the North Caucasus
       and other places Russia colonized.
       --- End Quote ---
       If today Russian people do colonization and discrimination
       towards the indigenous people of Siberia, Northern Caucasus, and
       other place in the East, there will be mass protest from the
       indigenous people and even rebellion against Russian authority,
       and many media worldwide will cover that events, and there will
       be international movements around the world which against such
       Russian attitute, but actually until now there is no such things
       happened, so Russian people live peacefully with indigenous
       people, different with indigenous people in North America,
       Australia, and New Zealand, until now there is still many
       protest movements to demand justice to the authority and sue
       them to apologize and give compensation to the persecuted
       indigenous people
       #Post#: 5746--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
       people
   DIR By: Dazhbog
       Date: April 22, 2021, 9:50 am
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       --- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
       > Russia rarely in history records persecuted "black" people
       --- End Quote ---
       Maybe, but racism very much exists in present-day Russian
       society and it goes virtually unopposed.
       --- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
       > If today Russian people do colonization and discrimination
       towards the indigenous people of Siberia, Northern Caucasus, and
       other place in the East, there will be mass protest from the
       indigenous people and even rebellion against Russian authority
       --- End Quote ---
       This isn't necessarily the case, depending on the docility of
       the colonized subjects. Besides, at least the Chechens never
       quit fighting the Russians, even if they're mostly doing so
       outside Chechnya these days:
  HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Dudayev_Battalion
       #Post#: 5771--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
       people
   DIR By: 90sRetroFan
       Date: April 22, 2021, 10:31 pm
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       --- Quote ---
       > The Kremlin saw an opportunity, and established four foreign
       policy goals regarding Africa. First it wanted a lasting
       presence on the continent, including port facilities in the
       Indian Ocean. Second it wanted to gain a voice in African
       affairs, primarily by supporting local communist parties, and
       providing economic and military aid to the governments.
       --- End Quote ---
       Thank you for proving my point. Everything Russia does is
       cynical geopolitical opportunism serving Russian interests.
       There is no sincere empathy behind it whatsoever. In contrast,
       in Counterculture-era UK:
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjQzJAKxTrE
       And of course Counterculture-era US:
  HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3wNuru4U0I
       What you see is the US supporting Israel, but what I see is the
       US doing something that does not benefit itself in any way,
       because everyone knows that only Israel benefits from the
       US-Israeli alliance. The US's ability to do things that are not
       in its self-interest, but simply because it believes it is the
       correct thing to do, is the characteristic that gives me hope in
       the US. We can change (indeed we are already changing) what the
       US believes to be correct, and then the US will work for our
       objectives with the same conviction as it currently works for
       Zionism. In contrast, a country that lacks the ability to do
       anything without self-interest as motivation, such as Russia,
       has no potential for good. Russia may happen to be helping you
       at this moment because helping you happens to align with helping
       itself at this moment, but Russia will have no problem in future
       destroying you if destroying you is what happens to align with
       helping itself in future. This is the difference.
       #Post#: 5772--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
       people
   DIR By: guest30
       Date: April 22, 2021, 10:49 pm
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       @90sRetroFan
       --- Quote ---
       > Thank you for proving my point. Everything Russia does is
       geopolitical opportunism serving Russian interests. There is no
       sincere empathy behind it whatsoever. In contrast, in
       Counterculture-era UK:
       --- End Quote ---
       At least, Russia try to help the oppressed non-Western people,
       for what purpose if we help someone but we not gain anything
       good from them?
       Even if United Kingdom culturally "counter-culture", her
       political view still support Israel, and keep oppressing
       non-Western nations, UK is still involved alongside the United
       States to secretly fund and give arms to political-opposition
       terrorist who want to attack and overthrow legal anti-Zionist
       Syria government under Bashar Al-Assad leadership, so Syria got
       weakened, and easily to got occupied by Western European troops,
       from that Syria no longer be threat to Israel, and Israel
       alongside with ther Western European and Anglo allies dominate
       Middle East, the world got oppressed under their supremacy
       #Post#: 5773--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
       people
   DIR By: guest5
       Date: April 22, 2021, 11:33 pm
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       --- Quote ---
       > The most dramatic turnaround in relations in recent years has
       occurred between Russia and Israel. The new quality of the
       relationship owes a great deal to the personal diplomacy between
       Russian President Vladimir Putin and Israeli Prime Minister
       Benjamin Netanyahu, but Russia’s emergence as a major presence
       in Syria has meant that the Israelis now have no choice but to
       maintain good relations with their new “neighbor.” Some Israeli
       officials hope that Moscow will help them deal with the biggest
       threat they face from Syria—Iran and its client Hezbollah. So
       far, Russia has delivered some, but far from all that Israel
       wants from it, and there are precious few signs that Russia
       intends to break with Iran, its partner and key ally in Syria.
       >
       > Russian-Iranian relations have undergone an unusual
       transformation as a result of the Russian intervention in the
       Syrian civil war. Their joint victory is likely to lead to a
       divergence of their interests. Russia is interested in returning
       Syria to the status quo ante and reaping the benefits of peace
       and reconstruction. Iran is interested in exploiting Syria as a
       platform in its campaign against Israel. Russia lacks the
       military muscle and the diplomatic leverage to influence Iran.
       That poses a big obstacle to Moscow’s ambitions in the Middle
       East.
       --- End Quote ---
       --- Quote ---
       > Much like Turkey, Saudi Arabia had no choice but to upgrade
       its relationship with Russia. In addition to its stake in the
       outcome of the Syria conflict and rivalry with Iran, Saudi
       Arabia has a growing interest in coordinating oil production
       with Russia at a time when both are grappling with a surge in
       U.S. energy production. Saudi King Salman’s 2017 visit to Moscow
       was a historic first, and the two energy superpowers have
       pledged to coordinate their oil export policies, but much like
       the Israelis, the Saudis are likely to be disappointed in their
       hope that better relations with Russia could lead it to abandon
       its partnership with Iran. Still, with influential U.S. voices
       arguing for reducing the U.S. commitment to the Middle East,
       good relations with Russia provide an additional, even if not
       very reliable, hedge against uncertainty.
       --- End Quote ---
       --- Quote ---
       > Russia’s return to North Africa too has to be considered
       against the backdrop of the United States’ disengagement from
       the region. The relationship between Moscow and Cairo,
       interrupted in the 1970s with the latter’s pivot toward the
       United States, underwent a significant upgrade after the 2013
       coup in Egypt and the rise of Abdel Fattah el-Sisi to the
       presidency. Criticized in the West for his human rights abuses,
       Sisi found in Putin a convenient partner to help shore up his
       domestic standing and leverage vis-à-vis Washington. Egypt has
       emerged as an important customer for Russian arms. Russia and
       Egypt have partnered in supporting one of the factions in the
       Libyan civil war, the Libyan National Army, but the country
       remains too badly fractured for the LNA to score a decisive
       victory. Moscow expects to have a say in negotiations about the
       conflict and to reestablish commercial opportunities derailed by
       Muammar Qaddafi’s demise.
       --- End Quote ---
       --- Quote ---
       > That said, one of Russia’s key accomplishments is also
       symbolic of the limits of its power and influence in the Middle
       East. In a region torn by fierce rivalries, the ability to talk
       to everyone without taking sides has limited utility. Absent
       major capabilities for power projection and economic resources,
       and with its diplomatic capital confined largely to a
       well-advertised willingness to talk to all parties, Russia’s
       clout is not sufficient to resolve any of the region’s myriad
       problems.
       --- End Quote ---
  HTML https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/10/31/russia-in-middle-east-jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none-pub-80233
       #Post#: 5774--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
       people
   DIR By: guest5
       Date: April 22, 2021, 11:35 pm
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       @KB:
       --- Quote ---
       > Even if United Kingdom culturally "counter-culture", her
       political view still support Israel
       --- End Quote ---
       The UK is coming apart at the seams currently and may actually
       breakup:
  HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/brexit/
  HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/scottish-independence/
  HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/ireland/
       #Post#: 5795--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
       people
   DIR By: guest30
       Date: April 23, 2021, 5:16 am
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       @NuminousSun
       --- Quote ---
       >
  HTML https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/10/31/russia-in-middle-east-jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none-pub-80233
       --- End Quote ---
       From information which you provide, I can conclude that Russia
       foreign policy is do something which benefit her, she (Russia)
       not too much support Israel, and not too much support countries
       which being victim of Western European and Israel agression, not
       pro-Israel like Western European countries, and at least she
       (Russia) still can be invited to work together with my country
       for having mutualism benefits, my country get some advanced
       weapons, Russia get raw material from my country like cocoa,
       vanilla, palm oil, and so on, so we can defend ourselves from
       Western agression from the South East (Anglo countries Australia
       and New Zealand, which friends of the agressor United States),
       and if we get opportunity, we will assist Syria and Iran to
       defend their homeland from the barbarian Western Europeans, and
       if can be done, they (Syria and Iran) can attack Israel too with
       our arms or voluntary troops support
       @90sRetroFan
       --- Quote ---
       > ...The US's ability to do things that are not in its
       self-interest, but simply because it believes it is the correct
       thing to do, is the characteristic that gives me hope in the
       US...
       --- End Quote ---
       Your argument seems like you consider United States is
       "altruist" or "benevolent" country, but I hardly to believe your
       opinion, United States in historical records always support
       Western European countries even during colonialism period, and
       after World War 2, United States always involved in many proxy
       wars to overthrow a country which its government is against
       United States because they doesn't like its (United States)
       attitude about supporting Western European countries keep
       colonizing the territory which they colonize, and I never
       forgive United States's policy to give arms supply to
       Netherlands after the World War 2 end, which it make Netherlands
       can occupy and colonize my people which recently gain freedom
       (During 1947 and 1948 Indonesia-Netherlands War)
       And United States, alongside with its Anglo friends Britain (UK)
       is using proxy war to overthrow my lovely leader Sukarno during
       end of September 1965, using the opposition military people to
       launch a false flag operation which make Sukarno and his
       Communist people got blamed for their "atrocities" for murdering
       high ranking military officials, even though people who commit
       that crime is United States and United Kingdom-backed Indonesian
       military officials who disguised as "Communist people" to murder
       the high ranking military officials, so after Sukarno got
       overthrowed, he replaced by pro-Western European leaders
       Suharto, the West also forcing their oppressive economic system
       to him, so Suharto implement Western economic system, which
       become our economic system recently, and it's very bad for us
       And United States's aid and find to other countries is not
       without benefit itself, a country which already given aid by her
       (United States) must politically support United States and its
       allies, and also implement her people's culture like democracy
       and liberalism to their people, different of we make cooperation
       with Russia or China for example, the cooperation business is
       only buy and sell, "you want my stuff? then pay it", without any
       trapping agreements like forced to also follow their ideology or
       political view
       The conclusion is, United States is not "altruist", she is
       agressive, bulliers, and also arrogant
       #Post#: 5797--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
       people
   DIR By: 90sRetroFan
       Date: April 23, 2021, 5:47 am
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       "Your argument seems like you consider United States is
       "altruist" or "benevolent" country"
       No, my argument is that the US can be ideologically motivated.
       More often than not its ideology is bad, but at least it has a
       chance of holding a good ideology one day, and acting on it.
       All you ever do is throw repetitive trivia at us about all the
       times when the US had a bad ideology, which reveals that you are
       utterly failing to catch my point.
       "the cooperation business is only buy and sell, "you want my
       stuff? then pay it", without any trapping agreements like forced
       to also follow their ideology or political view"
       With that approach, how are we going to turn the whole world
       vegan, for example? Idiot. The US approach is what we need.
       #Post#: 5798--------------------------------------------------
       Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
       people
   DIR By: guest30
       Date: April 23, 2021, 6:48 am
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       @90sRetroFan
       --- Quote ---
       > All you ever do is throw repetitive trivia at us about times
       when the US had a bad ideology, which reveals that you are
       utterly failing to catch my point.
       --- End Quote ---
       --- Quote ---
       > With that approach, how are we going to turn the whole world
       vegan, for example? Idiot. The US approach is what we need.
       --- End Quote ---
       So you believe that United States can be ideologically
       anti-Zionist and Vegan, what a joke!... Most of US people eat
       meat and majority of US population is following Christian
       religion which its teachings order them to support Jewish people
       and Israel, and its Christian teachings is tied strongly to
       their mind, so hardly to introduce and influence US people to be
       "vegan" and "anti-Zionist", you just waste your entire lifetime
       You are agressive United States supporter, die to American, die
       to the Western Europeans, die to the Jews!
       United States from the beginning of its born is committed many
       bad things to the world, I don't trust United States can change
       into a good one
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