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Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: April 22, 2021, 4:58 am
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--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> so the Inorodtsy policy is obsolete and not used anymore by
Russian government
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Apartheid, Jim Crow etc. officially ended, too, but that doesn't
mean white supremacy is dead in South Africa or the US.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> you should consider Australia, New Zealand, United States, and
Canada also have discriminating behavior too
--- End Quote ---
We do. Therefore we support movements such as Black Lives
Matter, which resist such behavior. No such movements exist in
Russia however.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> their European settlers still do like what their ancestors did
in the past, live in indigenous people's territory outside their
original place of live, Europe...
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...as do the Russian settlers in Siberia, the North Caucasus and
other places Russia colonized.
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Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: guest30
Date: April 22, 2021, 6:49 am
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@Dazhbog
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> "We do. Therefore we support movements such as Black Lives
Matter, which resist such behavior. No such movements exist in
Russia however."
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Russia rarely in history records persecuted "black" people, even
in post-colonial era its Russia, not the West who assist
colonized "black" people in Africa to struggle to fight against
"White" Western European colonial people and their apartheid
and oppressive authority
Source :
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa%E2%80%93Soviet_Union_relations#Overview
After 1953, the continent underwent a rapid process of
decolonization, whereby nearly all the colonies became
independent nations. However, the nationalist movement was led
by the better educated young middle-class that had little
exposure to communism or socialism.[2] Soviet leaders, beginning
with Nikita Khrushchev, were excited by the enthusiastic young
black Africans who first came to Moscow for a major youth
festival in 1957. Patrice Lumumba Peoples' Friendship University
was established in Moscow in 1960 to provide higher education to
students from developing countries. It became an integral part
of the Soviet cultural offensive in nonaligned countries.[3]
The Kremlin saw an opportunity, and established four foreign
policy goals regarding Africa. First it wanted a lasting
presence on the continent, including port facilities in the
Indian Ocean. Second it wanted to gain a voice in African
affairs, primarily by supporting local communist parties, and
providing economic and military aid to the governments. Third it
wanted to undermine Western/NATO influence. However the Kremlin
was reluctant to send Soviet troops because of its fear of a
major escalation with NATO powers. Fidel Castro sent 300,000
Cuban troops to Africa to support fellow revolutionaries against
Western imperialism. The Kremlin thought Castro's adventurism
was dangerous but it was unable to stop him.[4] And finally,
after 1962, it was engaged in a bitter controversy with China
for influence and control of local radical movements.[5]
Stalin thought in terms of a black and white world of class
conflict, capitalists versus the proletariat. Khrushchev said it
was a three-way contest, the third pole being bourgeois
nationalist movements that were inherently anti-imperialist and
were demanding decolonization across the globe. The favorite
technique therefore was to identify the Soviet Union with the
rising tide of nationalism – to demonstrate that they in Moscow
were engaged in a common struggle against Western
imperialism.[6] Moscow also expected that the Soviet model of
industrialization and nationalization would prove attractive,
but that approach did not resonate with the nationalistic
forces, which were black based on the small middle class and
were socializing the means of production.[7] The passive
reliance on the Soviet model of development failed because of
the unreliability of local leaders, and by the Congo crisis. The
Kremlin learned that it was essential to find and promote
ideologically reliable leaders, who needed Soviet help to build
enough military strength to control their country.[8]
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> ...as do the Russian settlers in Siberia, the North Caucasus
and other places Russia colonized.
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If today Russian people do colonization and discrimination
towards the indigenous people of Siberia, Northern Caucasus, and
other place in the East, there will be mass protest from the
indigenous people and even rebellion against Russian authority,
and many media worldwide will cover that events, and there will
be international movements around the world which against such
Russian attitute, but actually until now there is no such things
happened, so Russian people live peacefully with indigenous
people, different with indigenous people in North America,
Australia, and New Zealand, until now there is still many
protest movements to demand justice to the authority and sue
them to apologize and give compensation to the persecuted
indigenous people
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Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: April 22, 2021, 9:50 am
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--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Russia rarely in history records persecuted "black" people
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Maybe, but racism very much exists in present-day Russian
society and it goes virtually unopposed.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> If today Russian people do colonization and discrimination
towards the indigenous people of Siberia, Northern Caucasus, and
other place in the East, there will be mass protest from the
indigenous people and even rebellion against Russian authority
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This isn't necessarily the case, depending on the docility of
the colonized subjects. Besides, at least the Chechens never
quit fighting the Russians, even if they're mostly doing so
outside Chechnya these days:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzhokhar_Dudayev_Battalion
#Post#: 5771--------------------------------------------------
Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 22, 2021, 10:31 pm
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--- Quote ---
> The Kremlin saw an opportunity, and established four foreign
policy goals regarding Africa. First it wanted a lasting
presence on the continent, including port facilities in the
Indian Ocean. Second it wanted to gain a voice in African
affairs, primarily by supporting local communist parties, and
providing economic and military aid to the governments.
--- End Quote ---
Thank you for proving my point. Everything Russia does is
cynical geopolitical opportunism serving Russian interests.
There is no sincere empathy behind it whatsoever. In contrast,
in Counterculture-era UK:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjQzJAKxTrE
And of course Counterculture-era US:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3wNuru4U0I
What you see is the US supporting Israel, but what I see is the
US doing something that does not benefit itself in any way,
because everyone knows that only Israel benefits from the
US-Israeli alliance. The US's ability to do things that are not
in its self-interest, but simply because it believes it is the
correct thing to do, is the characteristic that gives me hope in
the US. We can change (indeed we are already changing) what the
US believes to be correct, and then the US will work for our
objectives with the same conviction as it currently works for
Zionism. In contrast, a country that lacks the ability to do
anything without self-interest as motivation, such as Russia,
has no potential for good. Russia may happen to be helping you
at this moment because helping you happens to align with helping
itself at this moment, but Russia will have no problem in future
destroying you if destroying you is what happens to align with
helping itself in future. This is the difference.
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Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: guest30
Date: April 22, 2021, 10:49 pm
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@90sRetroFan
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> Thank you for proving my point. Everything Russia does is
geopolitical opportunism serving Russian interests. There is no
sincere empathy behind it whatsoever. In contrast, in
Counterculture-era UK:
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At least, Russia try to help the oppressed non-Western people,
for what purpose if we help someone but we not gain anything
good from them?
Even if United Kingdom culturally "counter-culture", her
political view still support Israel, and keep oppressing
non-Western nations, UK is still involved alongside the United
States to secretly fund and give arms to political-opposition
terrorist who want to attack and overthrow legal anti-Zionist
Syria government under Bashar Al-Assad leadership, so Syria got
weakened, and easily to got occupied by Western European troops,
from that Syria no longer be threat to Israel, and Israel
alongside with ther Western European and Anglo allies dominate
Middle East, the world got oppressed under their supremacy
#Post#: 5773--------------------------------------------------
Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: guest5
Date: April 22, 2021, 11:33 pm
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> The most dramatic turnaround in relations in recent years has
occurred between Russia and Israel. The new quality of the
relationship owes a great deal to the personal diplomacy between
Russian President Vladimir Putin and Israeli Prime Minister
Benjamin Netanyahu, but Russia’s emergence as a major presence
in Syria has meant that the Israelis now have no choice but to
maintain good relations with their new “neighbor.” Some Israeli
officials hope that Moscow will help them deal with the biggest
threat they face from Syria—Iran and its client Hezbollah. So
far, Russia has delivered some, but far from all that Israel
wants from it, and there are precious few signs that Russia
intends to break with Iran, its partner and key ally in Syria.
>
> Russian-Iranian relations have undergone an unusual
transformation as a result of the Russian intervention in the
Syrian civil war. Their joint victory is likely to lead to a
divergence of their interests. Russia is interested in returning
Syria to the status quo ante and reaping the benefits of peace
and reconstruction. Iran is interested in exploiting Syria as a
platform in its campaign against Israel. Russia lacks the
military muscle and the diplomatic leverage to influence Iran.
That poses a big obstacle to Moscow’s ambitions in the Middle
East.
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> Much like Turkey, Saudi Arabia had no choice but to upgrade
its relationship with Russia. In addition to its stake in the
outcome of the Syria conflict and rivalry with Iran, Saudi
Arabia has a growing interest in coordinating oil production
with Russia at a time when both are grappling with a surge in
U.S. energy production. Saudi King Salman’s 2017 visit to Moscow
was a historic first, and the two energy superpowers have
pledged to coordinate their oil export policies, but much like
the Israelis, the Saudis are likely to be disappointed in their
hope that better relations with Russia could lead it to abandon
its partnership with Iran. Still, with influential U.S. voices
arguing for reducing the U.S. commitment to the Middle East,
good relations with Russia provide an additional, even if not
very reliable, hedge against uncertainty.
--- End Quote ---
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> Russia’s return to North Africa too has to be considered
against the backdrop of the United States’ disengagement from
the region. The relationship between Moscow and Cairo,
interrupted in the 1970s with the latter’s pivot toward the
United States, underwent a significant upgrade after the 2013
coup in Egypt and the rise of Abdel Fattah el-Sisi to the
presidency. Criticized in the West for his human rights abuses,
Sisi found in Putin a convenient partner to help shore up his
domestic standing and leverage vis-à-vis Washington. Egypt has
emerged as an important customer for Russian arms. Russia and
Egypt have partnered in supporting one of the factions in the
Libyan civil war, the Libyan National Army, but the country
remains too badly fractured for the LNA to score a decisive
victory. Moscow expects to have a say in negotiations about the
conflict and to reestablish commercial opportunities derailed by
Muammar Qaddafi’s demise.
--- End Quote ---
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> That said, one of Russia’s key accomplishments is also
symbolic of the limits of its power and influence in the Middle
East. In a region torn by fierce rivalries, the ability to talk
to everyone without taking sides has limited utility. Absent
major capabilities for power projection and economic resources,
and with its diplomatic capital confined largely to a
well-advertised willingness to talk to all parties, Russia’s
clout is not sufficient to resolve any of the region’s myriad
problems.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/10/31/russia-in-middle-east-jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none-pub-80233
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Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: guest5
Date: April 22, 2021, 11:35 pm
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@KB:
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> Even if United Kingdom culturally "counter-culture", her
political view still support Israel
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The UK is coming apart at the seams currently and may actually
breakup:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/brexit/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/scottish-independence/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/ireland/
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Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: guest30
Date: April 23, 2021, 5:16 am
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@NuminousSun
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>
HTML https://carnegieendowment.org/2019/10/31/russia-in-middle-east-jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none-pub-80233
--- End Quote ---
From information which you provide, I can conclude that Russia
foreign policy is do something which benefit her, she (Russia)
not too much support Israel, and not too much support countries
which being victim of Western European and Israel agression, not
pro-Israel like Western European countries, and at least she
(Russia) still can be invited to work together with my country
for having mutualism benefits, my country get some advanced
weapons, Russia get raw material from my country like cocoa,
vanilla, palm oil, and so on, so we can defend ourselves from
Western agression from the South East (Anglo countries Australia
and New Zealand, which friends of the agressor United States),
and if we get opportunity, we will assist Syria and Iran to
defend their homeland from the barbarian Western Europeans, and
if can be done, they (Syria and Iran) can attack Israel too with
our arms or voluntary troops support
@90sRetroFan
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> ...The US's ability to do things that are not in its
self-interest, but simply because it believes it is the correct
thing to do, is the characteristic that gives me hope in the
US...
--- End Quote ---
Your argument seems like you consider United States is
"altruist" or "benevolent" country, but I hardly to believe your
opinion, United States in historical records always support
Western European countries even during colonialism period, and
after World War 2, United States always involved in many proxy
wars to overthrow a country which its government is against
United States because they doesn't like its (United States)
attitude about supporting Western European countries keep
colonizing the territory which they colonize, and I never
forgive United States's policy to give arms supply to
Netherlands after the World War 2 end, which it make Netherlands
can occupy and colonize my people which recently gain freedom
(During 1947 and 1948 Indonesia-Netherlands War)
And United States, alongside with its Anglo friends Britain (UK)
is using proxy war to overthrow my lovely leader Sukarno during
end of September 1965, using the opposition military people to
launch a false flag operation which make Sukarno and his
Communist people got blamed for their "atrocities" for murdering
high ranking military officials, even though people who commit
that crime is United States and United Kingdom-backed Indonesian
military officials who disguised as "Communist people" to murder
the high ranking military officials, so after Sukarno got
overthrowed, he replaced by pro-Western European leaders
Suharto, the West also forcing their oppressive economic system
to him, so Suharto implement Western economic system, which
become our economic system recently, and it's very bad for us
And United States's aid and find to other countries is not
without benefit itself, a country which already given aid by her
(United States) must politically support United States and its
allies, and also implement her people's culture like democracy
and liberalism to their people, different of we make cooperation
with Russia or China for example, the cooperation business is
only buy and sell, "you want my stuff? then pay it", without any
trapping agreements like forced to also follow their ideology or
political view
The conclusion is, United States is not "altruist", she is
agressive, bulliers, and also arrogant
#Post#: 5797--------------------------------------------------
Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 23, 2021, 5:47 am
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"Your argument seems like you consider United States is
"altruist" or "benevolent" country"
No, my argument is that the US can be ideologically motivated.
More often than not its ideology is bad, but at least it has a
chance of holding a good ideology one day, and acting on it.
All you ever do is throw repetitive trivia at us about all the
times when the US had a bad ideology, which reveals that you are
utterly failing to catch my point.
"the cooperation business is only buy and sell, "you want my
stuff? then pay it", without any trapping agreements like forced
to also follow their ideology or political view"
With that approach, how are we going to turn the whole world
vegan, for example? Idiot. The US approach is what we need.
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Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: guest30
Date: April 23, 2021, 6:48 am
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@90sRetroFan
--- Quote ---
> All you ever do is throw repetitive trivia at us about times
when the US had a bad ideology, which reveals that you are
utterly failing to catch my point.
--- End Quote ---
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> With that approach, how are we going to turn the whole world
vegan, for example? Idiot. The US approach is what we need.
--- End Quote ---
So you believe that United States can be ideologically
anti-Zionist and Vegan, what a joke!... Most of US people eat
meat and majority of US population is following Christian
religion which its teachings order them to support Jewish people
and Israel, and its Christian teachings is tied strongly to
their mind, so hardly to introduce and influence US people to be
"vegan" and "anti-Zionist", you just waste your entire lifetime
You are agressive United States supporter, die to American, die
to the Western Europeans, die to the Jews!
United States from the beginning of its born is committed many
bad things to the world, I don't trust United States can change
into a good one
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