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#Post#: 5388--------------------------------------------------
Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: guest30
Date: April 7, 2021, 5:29 am
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> kameradbaren : At least, Russia want to give arm and economic
trade which useful from those countries
>
> Dazhbog : Given the close relations between Russia and Israel,
Russia will stop as soon as it finds these countries to
constitute a threat to the latter.
--- End Quote ---
Iran until now is a threat to Israel, not surprise if Israel
order United States and its allies through their lobby to send
their military troops close to Iran border through occupied
Iraq, and Russia still make good relations with Iran
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> kameradbaren : At least, Russia is not intend to attack and
persecuting all muslims in her territory, only few muslims and
muslim organization which according to Russia is "suspicious"
>
> Dazhbog : Muslims and Muslim organizations with a consistent
anti-Zionist agenda, that is.
--- End Quote ---
So, we can conclude that Russia is not really anti-Zionist, but
also not strongly support Zionist like what Western Europe and
Anglo country did, so I consider Russia as neutral country with
powerful military power, and I want to get benefit from make
good relation with Russia, and historically, Russia give much
support to my country, without that my people will be still
colonized or divided by the colonialist Western European
countries
I still consider Russia as ally, like other neutral countries
which may benefit for my country and muslim people, I still
stand with Johann von Leers political doctrine
#Post#: 5389--------------------------------------------------
Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: April 7, 2021, 10:14 am
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--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Iran until now is a threat to Israel [...] and Russia still
make good relations with Iran
--- End Quote ---
Russia hopes that Iran will ultimately constitute a greater
threat to America than to Israel.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> So, we can conclude that Russia is not really anti-Zionist,
but also not strongly support Zionist like what Western Europe
and Anglo country did, so I consider Russia as neutral country
--- End Quote ---
Even if what you said were true, neutrality means passively
siding with the stronger party, which in this case is Israel.
Russia would remain an ally of Israel nevertheless.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> and I want to get benefit from make good relation with Russia
--- End Quote ---
Again, anti-Zionism is not about benefiting your own country,
but about harming Israel. Thank you again for confirming that
you are not in fact an anti-Zionist.
#Post#: 5395--------------------------------------------------
Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 7, 2021, 10:18 pm
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"historically, Russia give much support to my country, without
that my people will be still colonized or divided by the
colonialist Western European countries"
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_the_Dutch_East_Indies
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> The occupation was the first serious challenge to the Dutch in
their colony and ended the Dutch colonial rule. By its end,
changes were so numerous and extraordinary that the subsequent
Indonesian National Revolution, became possible.[5] Unlike the
Dutch, the Japanese facilitated the politicisation of
Indonesians down to the village level. The Japanese educated,
trained and armed many young Indonesians and gave their
nationalist leaders a political voice. Thus, through both the
destruction of the Dutch colonial regime and the facilitation of
Indonesian nationalism, the Japanese occupation created the
conditions for the proclamation of Indonesian independence
> ...
> To gain support and mobilise Indonesian people in their war
effort against the Western Allied force, Japanese occupation
forces encouraged Indonesian nationalistic movements and
recruited Indonesian nationalist leaders; Sukarno, Hatta, Ki
Hajar Dewantara and Kyai Haji Mas Mansyur to rally the people's
support for mobilisation centre Putera (Indonesian: Pusat Tenaga
Rakyat) on 16 April 1943, replaced with Jawa Hokokai on 1 March
1944. Some of these mobilised populations were sent to forced
labour as romusha.
>
> Japanese military also provided Indonesian youth with military
training and weapons, including the formation of a volunteer
army called PETA (Pembela Tanah Air – Defenders of the
Homeland). The Japanese military training for Indonesian youth
originally was meant to rally local support for the collapsing
power of the Japanese Empire, but later became the significant
resource for the Republic of Indonesia during the Indonesian
National Revolution, and also led to the formation of Indonesian
National Armed Forces in 1945.
>
> On 29 April 1945, Lt. Gen. Kumakichi Harada, the commander of
16th Army in Java established the Investigating Committee for
Preparatory Work for Independence (Indonesian: Badan Penyelidik
Usaha Persiapan Kemerdekaan (BPUPK)) (Japanese:
独立準備調査会,
Dokuritsu Junbi Chōsakai), as the initial stage of the
establishment of independence for the area under the control of
the 16th Army.[80]
>
> In addition to new-found Indonesian nationalism, equally
important for the coming independence struggle and internal
revolution was the Japanese-orchestrated economic, political and
social dismantling and destruction of the Dutch colonial
state.[27]
>
> Unlike the ochlocratic policy that the Dutch government made
towards the locals, the Japanese had opened training schools for
government officials, normal schools, agricultural and forestry
schools, commercial schools, engineering colleges, medical
colleges, merchant marine school, for provide higher education
to Indonesians, and made "Indonesian" the official language
instead of English or Dutch.[21]
>
> The Japanese banned the use of Dutch and English language.[81]
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Russia, on the other hand:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_War
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> The Soviet–Japanese War (Russian:
Советско-японская
война; Japanese:
ソ連対日参戦, soren tai
nichi sansen "Soviet Union entry into war against Japan") was a
military conflict within the Second World War beginning soon
after midnight on August 9, 1945, with the Soviet invasion of
the Japanese puppet state of Manchukuo. The Soviets and
Mongolians ended Japanese control of Manchukuo, Mengjiang (Inner
Mongolia), northern Korea, Karafuto, and the Chishima Islands
(Kuril Islands). The defeat of Japan's Kwantung Army helped
bring about the Japanese surrender and the termination of World
War II.[9][10] The Soviet entry into the war was a significant
factor in the Japanese government's decision to surrender
unconditionally, as it made apparent that the Soviet Union was
not willing to act as a third party in negotiating an end to
hostilities on conditional terms
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A true Nusantaran (ie. not you) would demand Russia give its
stolen land back to Japan:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/sakhalin/
Not only are you no anti-Zionist, you cannot even claim to be
Nusantaran.
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Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: guest30
Date: April 8, 2021, 5:54 pm
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Reply to Dazhbog :
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> Russia hopes that Iran will ultimately constitute a greater
threat to America than to Israel.
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That's up to her (Russia), what matter is Russia still less
pro-Zionist rather than Western European and Anglo countries,
recently, hardly to find an anti-Zionist country with strong
military power, so we forced to cooperate with many countries
which give benefit to us and make us capable to defend from the
Western evil and Jews, or even attack them, if Russia in the
future evidently more support Israel and Jews, I will not
cooperate with her (Russia) anymore, instead ally with China,
the last remaining stronger not pro-Zionist country, I hope we
get benefit from it
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> Even if what you said were true, neutrality means passively
siding with the stronger party, which in this case is Israel.
Russia would remain an ally of Israel nevertheless.
--- End Quote ---
NATO countries, Australia, and New Zealand also support Israel,
but you alongside with the "True Left" forum admin make an
information propaganda to people, to encourage them to support
the Western nations against Russian people, which you consider
them as "Turanian" hordes, a country (Russia) which became
victim of Western agression, same like other non-Western
countries, you encourage to support the West only because they
have more good policy towards fleeing refugees from a war torn
countries rather than Russia, forgetting that the West give much
strong support to Israel rather than Russia
--- Quote ---
> Again, anti-Zionism is not about benefiting your own country,
but about harming Israel. Thank you again for confirming that
you are not in fact an anti-Zionist.
--- End Quote ---
Harming Israel but not have much sufficient power is suicide
mission, it only make us easily to get defeated, so better we
cooperate with any countries, even they little bit give support
Israel for having power and benefit, and after we ready to stand
against Israel, we can against them
Reply to 90sRetroFan
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>
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_occupation_of_the_Dutch_East_Indies
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I know beside the harsh occupation of Japan towards my people
which make 4.000.000 deaths from forced labor and starvation, at
least they still give us much support to gain independence, I
will not forget Japan contribution to us, and I more hate and
not forgive the Western European Dutch
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>
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Japanese_War
--- End Quote ---
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>
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/sakhalin/
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That is part where Russia were the agressor, I agree on this
that on some case Russia was guilty
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> A true Nusantaran (ie. not you) would demand Russia give its
stolen land back to Japan:
--- End Quote ---
If I get into political power, I will try to discuss with Russia
about that, thanks for remember me about it
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> Not only are you no anti-Zionist, you cannot even claim to be
Nusantaran.
--- End Quote ---
Your pro-NATO statements in the forum's discussion remain
suspicious to me, remembering that NATO powers, again, strongly
support Jewish power around the world, not just Israel, much
more than Russia, like what you claim
Whatever you say about me, I will try to prove myself that I'm
anti-Western and Jewish people
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Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: April 8, 2021, 7:00 pm
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--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> a country (Russia) which became victim of Western agression
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That never happened.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> you encourage to support the West only because they have more
good policy towards fleeing refugees from a war torn countries
rather than Russia, forgetting that the West give much strong
support to Israel rather than Russia
--- End Quote ---
Thanks to refugees, demographics in the EU- and NATO-countries
will eventually shift towards anti-Zionism, meaning that they
will start supporting Israel's enemies.
Russia will experience no such demographic change and will
therefore at best (!) stay as supportive of Israel as it is now
or turn even more supportive.
This is why we support countries that take in refugees.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Harming Israel but not have much sufficient power is suicide
mission, it only make us easily to get defeated
--- End Quote ---
There are almost 200 countries in the world. If everyone of them
embarked on a suicide mission against Israel, Israel would be
destroyed for sure. Nothing wrong with suicide missions.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yN-zEpXwf4s
This is Aryan warfare for you!
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> after we ready to stand against Israel, we can against them
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Israel is way ahead of the rest of the world regarding military
technology. While you are trying to catch up with where they are
now, they will advance even further.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Whatever you say about me, I will try to prove myself that I'm
anti-Western and Jewish people
--- End Quote ---
You can prove it right now by once and for all renouncing your
russophile bullshit.
#Post#: 5413--------------------------------------------------
Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: guest30
Date: April 8, 2021, 8:16 pm
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> kameradbaren : a country (Russia) which became victim of
Western agression
>
> Dazhbog : That never happened.
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I give you the news report about how nations of Western European
people still agressive to Russia
HTML https://www.rt.com/russia/520218-retaliation-us-uk-rocket-deployment/
“We cannot help but notice the obsession of these Anglo-Saxon
commanders on the task of defeating purely defensive units
designed to ensure the security of the Russian Federation in the
event of a military attack,” Zakharova added. She also said
Russia disputes the officially declared ranges of the launchers,
claiming that Britain was being “clearly and deliberately
misleading” about its ability to strike targets at distance.
“We aren’t closing the door to dialogue,” the Foreign Ministry
official added, “but we can’t rule out that Russia will be
forced to shift its efforts towards military measures in
response to emerging missile threats.”
HTML https://www.rt.com/russia/520127-ukraine-donbass-open-war/
In the face of such casualties, there is a high probability that
Russia would intervene, especially now that large numbers of the
inhabitants of Donbass have acquired Russian passports. The
result would be an all-out war between Russia and Ukraine.
There can be no doubt that Russia would win such a war, probably
very quickly. Therefore, if the West really wishes to help
Ukraine, it should be using all its diplomatic power to ensure
that the Ukrainian government does not seek to resolve its
problems by military means. Unfortunately, the signals coming
from Washington are rather to the contrary. In a phone call on
April 1 with Ukrainian Minister of Defense Andrii Taran, US
Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III “reaffirmed unwavering
US support for Ukraine’s sovereignty, territorial integrity, and
Euro-Atlantic aspirations.”
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> kameradbaren : you encourage to support the West only because
they have more good policy towards fleeing refugees from a war
torn countries rather than Russia, forgetting that the West give
much strong support to Israel rather than Russia
>
> Dazhbog : Thanks to refugees, demographics in the EU- and
NATO-countries will eventually shift towards anti-Zionism,
meaning that they will start supporting Israel's enemies.
>
> Russia will experience no such demographic change and will
therefore at best (!) stay as supportive of Israel as it is now
or turn even more supportive.
>
> This is why we support countries that take in refugees.
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Demographics change in EU and NATO already happen, but their
policy remain not change, look this analytics article :
HTML https://orientxxi.info/magazine/israeli-networks-of-influence-in-brussels-behind-the-scenes,2886
While the influence of pressure groups aimed at preserving US
support for Tel Aviv is a matter of public knowledge, the
activities of these networks in Europe is not so well-known.
Since the turn of the century, the latter have been busy
cementing their friendly relations with the European Union (EU)
and its member States. While the good graces of Brussels are not
as vital for Tel Aviv as those of Washington, they are
nonetheless strategically important. The EU is Israel’s main
trading partner and has gradually granted it privileged ally
status in domains as crucial as scientific research, technical
innovation and intelligence gathering.
...
The lobby’s efficacy is due only in part to an accommodating
attitude among European officials. In David Conin’s analysis,
“many in the EU establishment and that of its member-States view
favourably the rapprochement with Israel and do not feel that
human rights considerations warrant putting it off.” While
European public opinion still has a negative perception of
Israel’s influence in the world, some business circles are
attracted by the opportunities offered by that “start-up
nation.” Many European and Israeli companies have close
connections and the country’s high level of investment in
research and development (4.11%, one of the highest in the OECD)
makes it a precious scientific partner. A major customer for
European arms sales, Israel has also become a purveyor of
high-tech military equipment for European countries, especially
armed drones, some of which were tested over Gaza.
...
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> kameradbaren : after we ready to stand against Israel, we can
against them
>
> Dazhbog : Israel is way ahead of the rest of the world
regarding military technology. While you are trying to catch up
with where they are now, they will advance even further.
--- End Quote ---
Hmm, I think that is make sense
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> kameradbaren : Whatever you say about me, I will try to prove
myself that I'm anti-Western and Jewish people
>
> Dazhbog : You can prove it right now by once and for all
renouncing your russophile bullshit.
--- End Quote ---
I'm not Russophile, I'm just viewing Russia as trading partner
for the sake of interest of my people, Indonesia Nusantara
people, and use her as a tool to enhance my country's military
power, so my people can assist Arab people which until now still
struggle against the Jews in their territory
#Post#: 5414--------------------------------------------------
Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: April 8, 2021, 8:31 pm
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--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> I give you the news report about how nations of Western
European people still agressive to Russia
--- End Quote ---
Did you ever bother to look up why Ukraine seeks the military
assistance of EU- and NATO-countries in the first place?
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Demographics change in EU and NATO already happen
--- End Quote ---
Not even close, see e.g. 90sRF's point about increasing the EU's
refugee intake in the Operation Gaddafi-thread I linked to
before.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> I'm just viewing Russia as trading partner for the sake of
interest of my people, Indonesia Nusantara people, and use her
as a tool to enhance my country's military power
--- End Quote ---
See my point here:
--- Quote from: Dazhbog link ---
> Again, anti-Zionism is not about benefiting your own country,
but about harming Israel. Thank you again for confirming that
you are not in fact an anti-Zionist.
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 5416--------------------------------------------------
Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: guest30
Date: April 8, 2021, 9:44 pm
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--- Quote ---
> Did you ever bother to look up why Ukraine seeks the military
assistance of EU- and NATO-countries in the first place?
--- End Quote ---
I give you information from United States media, and see what
Russia's spokeperson says
Source :
HTML https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/06/ukraine-pressures-nato-for-membership-as-russia-amasses-troops-at-border
...
Russia has not denied the troop movements but insisted it was
“not threatening anyone”. Dmitry Peskov, the Kremlin’s
spokesperson, told reporters on Tuesday that Nato membership for
Ukraine would do no good in resolving the conflict.
“We very much doubt that this will help Ukraine settle its
domestic problem,” Peskov said.
“From our point of view, it will only worsen the situation. If
you ask the opinion of several million people living in the
self-declared republics [in the east of the country] you will
see that for them Nato membership is deeply unacceptable.”
...
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> See my point here:
>
> Quote from: Dazhbog on April 07, 2021, 10:14:41 am
>
> Again, anti-Zionism is not about benefiting your own country,
but about harming Israel. Thank you again for confirming that
you are not in fact an anti-Zionist.
--- End Quote ---
I'm not hesitate to bring my people into war with Jews and their
best servant Western countries, but I'm keep thinking rational,
I must find a way how my people have sufficient power to fight
against them
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Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: April 9, 2021, 6:41 am
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--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> Dmitry Peskov, the Kremlin’s spokesperson, told reporters on
Tuesday that Nato membership for Ukraine would do no good in
resolving the conflict.
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The conflict is resolved when the Russian presence in the Donbas
and Crimea is annihilated. Whatever harm is done to Ukraine in
the process is irrelevant as long as that goal is ultimately
achieved.
--- Quote from: kameradbaren link ---
> I'm not hesitate to bring my people into war with Jews and
their best servant Western countries, but I'm keep thinking
rational, I must find a way how my people have sufficient power
to fight against them
--- End Quote ---
As 90sRF said before, turning to Russia for arms supplies is
fair game as long as no one else is willing to arm you. However,
this doesn't justify treating Russia as an ally by default as
you are insisting.
#Post#: 5649--------------------------------------------------
Death to the West
DIR By: guest30
Date: April 18, 2021, 7:07 am
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For 500 years, the Western Europe always make a mess and
destruction
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I'm now is the most anti-Western people in this forum, your post
and threads about humiliating anti-Western countries is just
showing that you are pro-Western, but pretend to be anti-Western
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