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Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: guest30
Date: February 16, 2022, 4:40 am
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@90sRetroFan
--- Quote ---
> So if Rizieq is homophobic, then he should instead support the
Western colonialists who introduced homophobia to America.
>
> Which is more important to Rizieq? Anti-Westernism or
homophobia?
--- End Quote ---
Most of his speeches and da'wa are encourage people to against
democracy, colonialism, Israel, Zionism, United States hegemony
and their Western European allies, and people who behave like
Westerners and liberals, mostly to the Chinese people who live
in our land, because Nusantara people have bad relationship with
the Chinese people for 300 years, they always side with Dutch
colonial government for the sake of their own profit, and he
also want Nusantara to implement Islamic sharia law to prevent
capitalist liberal and communism teachings
And homophobia is not Western teachings, it's indeed Islamic
teachings, it exist from the born of Islam, not from Western
people, see this writings from a book named "Dakwah Aktual
Menggugah Rasa, Membangkitkan Jiwa"
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Translation to English colonial language :
Happy Friday Session!
Although the scholars agree on the prohibition of homosexual
practice, they differ on the type and form of punishment imposed
on the perpetrators of homosexuality. This arises because of
differences in interpreting the arguments that speak of it.
Among the hadiths that talk about punishment for homosexuals are
the following hadiths:
مَنْ
وَجَدْتُمُوهُ
يَعْمَلُ
عَمَلَ
قَوْمِ
لُوطٍ
فَاقْتُلُوا
الْفَاعِلَ
وَالْمَفْعُولَ
بِهِ
"Whoever you get to do homosexual acts, then kill the two
perpetrators.!".
Therefore, among ulama, there are those who argue that the
punishment for homosexuals is to be burned with fire, crushed
against a wall, dropped from a high place while being slapped
with stones, and held in the worst place until death rots.
Abu Hanifah consider "homosexuals" not adultery because it can't
resulting making children and unclear descendants
Imam Malik argues that homosexuals must be punished with thrown
by stone if he already married, and got whipped if he still
virgin
Imam Syafi'i not consider "homosexuals" are adultery, but remain
punished by thrown by stone if he already married, if he still
virgin, he got whipped 100x and to be exiled for 1 year, his
argument is same with the argument from most famous tabi'in like
Said bin Musayyib, Atha' bin Abi Rabah, An-Nakha'i, al-Hasan,
and Qatadah
And you know, the nations who are not "homophobic" are the
nations whom you want to destroy and their ideology to be
changed, and a nations who are "homophobic" are the nations whom
you want to support because of their opposition to Western
people and their civilization, see this map picture :
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Almost all of Islamic nations whom you support because their
constant opposition to Western Civilization (nations of North
Africa and Middle East) are considered as "homophobic" because
it marked as orange in the map, and the Western nations (include
Israel) which you want to destroy, which marked by red circle
are mostly not "homophobic"
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Source :
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_by_country_or_territory
Even the leader whom you like, Saddam Hussein, is against the
"homosexuals", see this information :
--- Quote ---
> In 1995, Saddam Hussein created a new military unit called,
Fedayeen Saddam ("Saddam's Men of Sacrifice") to punish Iraqis
whose behavior or life-style was deemed to be in violation
traditional Islamic mores. This group operated similar to an
armed Mutaween (religious police), and often staged public
torture and executions of LGBT people as women who had sex
outside of marriage.[8][9]
>
> In 1999, an urban legend began to circulate that the Iraqi
government banned the South Park television series, and feature
film, because it depicted Saddam Hussein being involved in a
homosexual relationship with Satan. [1] While the film would not
have been approved by the Iraqi censorship board, western film
makers did not attempt to exhibit films in Iraq because of the
economic sanctions.
>
> In 2001, the IRCC Resolution 234 of 2001 was enacted that
established the death penalty for adultery, being involved with
prostitution, and anyone who, "Commits the crime of sodomy with
a male or female or who violates the honor of a male or female
without his or her consent and under the threat of arm or by
force in a way that the life of the victim (male or female) is
threatened" [2]
--- End Quote ---
Source :
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_history_in_Iraq
Even the country which you like because if it's constant
opposition to Western hegemony, are "homophobic", see this
information :
--- Quote ---
> Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people in the
Islamic Republic of Iran face legal challenges not experienced
by non-LGBT residents. Sexual activity between members of the
same sex is illegal and can be punishable by up to death, and
people can legally change their assigned sex only through a sex
reassignment surgery.
>
> LGBT rights in Iran have come in conflict with the penal code
since the 1930s.[2] In post-revolutionary Iran, any type of
sexual activity outside a heterosexual marriage is forbidden.
Same-sex sexual activities are punishable by imprisonment,[3]
corporal punishment, fines, or execution.[4] Gay men have faced
stricter enforcement actions under the law than lesbians.
>
> The government of Iran is considered to be one of the most
discriminatory towards homosexuals in the world.[5][6][7] It is
estimated that hundreds or thousands[8][9][10] of people were
executed in the immediate aftermath of revolution of whom some
20 were homosexuals. Ruhollah Khomeini called them to be
exterminated in 1979.[11]
>
> Transgender identity is recognized through a sex reassignment
surgery. Sex reassignment surgeries are partially financially
supported by the state. Some homosexual individuals in Iran have
been pressured to undergo sex reassignment surgery in order to
avoid legal and social persecution.[12] Iran carries out more
sex reassignment surgeries than any other country in the world
after Thailand.
--- End Quote ---
Source :
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Iran
Muammar Kaddafi, leader whom you like because of his constant
opposition to the Western hegemony, are "homophobic", see this
information :
--- Quote ---
> Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) persons in
Libya face legal challenges not experienced by non-LGBT
residents. Since the fall of Gaddafi regime in 2011, the status
regarding homosexuality in Libya remains unchanged.
>
> ...
>
> Gaddafi Government
>
> The Gaddafi government did not permit the public advocacy of
LGBT rights. When discussed, it was always in a negative manner,
in keeping with traditional Islamic morality.[8]
>
> In 2003, Gaddafi stated that he believed that it was
"impossible" to contract AIDS–HIV through unprotected,
heterosexual vaginal sex.[9]
--- End Quote ---
Source :
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Libya
Syria, the nation which you like because it's constant
opposition to the Western hegemony, are "homophobic", see this
information :
--- Quote ---
> Lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) people in the
Syrian Arab Republic face legal challenges not experienced by
non-LGBT residents. Article 520 of the penal code of 1949,
prohibits "carnal relations against the order of nature", and
provides for up to three years' imprisonment.[2][3]
--- End Quote ---
Source :
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Syria
So, which is the best bad options, supporting democratic
pro-Western movements but not "homophobic" [b](False Left Right
Wing Collaborator), or anti-Western but still "homophobic"
(Potential Leftist)?[/b]
Which is the best bad options, supporting people who emphatic
with the "homosexuals", but they have democratic liberal
mindset, and also homo hubris and Faustian mindset [b](False
Left Right Wing Collaborator), or people who are "homophobic"
but against Western democratic liberal and it's pervert
philosophy, support dictatorship and opposition to Western
hegemony (Potential Leftist) ?[/b]
The struggle of political power in my nation is not between
racist people against the not racist people, but struggle of two
opposite political movements between democratic liberal
anti-racist which tend to support political liberalism which
resulting negotiate peace with Israel, and autocratic
anti-racist which remain hostile to the West and Israel
I will choose the latter
--- Quote ---
> I know what is most important to you, though:
>
>
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>
> [quote]I like Western suits only because of it's quality and
comfortable to be seen by other people, it makes me look
handsome
--- End Quote ---
So here you go:
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;D[/quote]
After I got criticized by some of muslim people because of my
clothes, which they consider it as imitate the Zionist people,
and also after I see that many people who like to follow Western
democratic liberal values tend to like to wear such clothes
(Mostly the Chinese people on our land), I change my behaviour,
remember, not all people cannot change themselves to be a
something better...
By the way, what is your response on the information which I
already show to you before, you afraid to see that your lovely
nation Jeffersonian Republic doing something wrong?
--- Quote ---
> "In the official report "Rand Corporation" it is stated that
the US Department of State and the US Agency for International
Development (USAID) have made "contracts" with international
NGOs such as The National Endowment for Democracy (NED), The
International Republican Institute (IRI), The National
Democratic Institute (NDI), The Center for The Study of Islam
and Democracy (CSID) and The Asia Foundation. In addition, there
are other NGOs formed by the Zionist International (Freemasonry
/ Illuminati) that have good relations with the "Rand
Corporation", such as the Ford Foundation and Rockefeller.
>
> the contract. to build a "Worldwide Network of Liberal Muslims
- Moderates of the United States" In order to make the program a
success, the United States has spent billions of dollars. US$
700 million/year has been disbursed by the US for the Middle
East, while for Indonesia, US$ 60 million has been disbursed for
2004, US$ 78 million for 2005, and US$ 84 for year. 2006, US $
96 million for 2007, US $ 143 million for 2008 and US $ 184
million for 2009.
>
> In Indonesia, the most persistent in carrying out the
Religious Liberalization program with the US program is the
AKKBB (National Alliance for Freedom of Religion and Belief),
which is a liquid alliance that brings together less than 65
organizations, NGOs, sects and religions, including: Indonesian
Language Conference on Religion and Peace (ICRP), National
Integration Movement (NIM), The Wahid Institute, Tifa
Foundation, Kontras, YLBHI, eLSAM, Campus Islamic Network (JIK),
Liberal Islam Network (JIL), Women's Journal Foundation,
Institute for Religious and Philosophical Studies ( LSAF),
Society for Interfaith Dialogue, National Alliance for Unity in
Diversity, Institute for the Study of Religion and Gender, Tunas
Muda Indonesia Foundation, and the Indonesian Ahmadiyya
Congregation (JAI)."
>
> Source : "Hancurkan Liberalisme, Tegakkan Syariat Islam" -
Habib Rizieq Shihab page 30
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 11324--------------------------------------------------
Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: guest55
Date: February 16, 2022, 11:28 pm
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--- Quote ---
> And homophobia is not Western teachings, it's indeed Islamic
teachings, it exist from the born of Islam, not from Western
people, see this writings from a book named "Dakwah Aktual
Menggugah Rasa, Membangkitkan Jiwa"
--- End Quote ---
What came first, the Hebrew Bible or "Dakwah Aktual Menggugah
Rasa, Membangkitkan Jiwa"?
--- Quote ---
> The Hellenistic Jewish philosopher Philo (20 BC – 50 AD)
described the inhabitants of Sodom in an extra-biblical account:
>
> As men, being unable to bear discreetly a satiety of these
things, get restive like cattle, and become stiff-necked, and
discard the laws of nature, pursuing a great and intemperate
indulgence of gluttony, and drinking, and unlawful connections;
for not only did they go mad after other women, and defile the
marriage bed of others, but also those who were men lusted after
one another, doing unseemly things, and not regarding or
respecting their common nature, and though eager for children,
they were convicted by having only an abortive offspring; but
the conviction produced no advantage, since they were overcome
by violent desire; and so by degrees, the men became accustomed
to be treated like women, and in this way engendered among
themselves the disease of females, and intolerable evil; for
they not only, as to effeminacy and delicacy, became like women
in their persons, but they also made their souls most ignoble,
corrupting in this way the whole race of men, as far as depended
on them. (133-35; ET Jonge 422-23).[17]
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> The Jewish historian Josephus (AD 37 – c. 100) used the term
“Sodomites” in summarizing the Genesis narrative:
>
> About this time the Sodomites grew proud, on account of their
riches and great wealth; they became unjust towards men, and
impious towards God, in so much that they did not call to mind
the advantages they received from him: they hated strangers, and
abused themselves with Sodomitical practices” "Now when the
Sodomites saw the young men to be of beautiful countenances, and
this to an extraordinary degree, and that they took up their
lodgings with Lot, they resolved themselves to enjoy these
beautiful boys by force and violence; and when Lot exhorted them
to sobriety, and not to offer any thing immodest to the
strangers, but to have regard to their lodging in his house; and
promised that if their inclinations could not be governed, he
would expose his daughters to their lust, instead of these
strangers; neither thus were they made ashamed. (Antiquities
1.11.1,3) [18] — c. AD 96)
--- End Quote ---
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Pretty sick ****, I'll agree. Especially for children to read,
but not because of homosexuality. Why introduce children to
"sex" at all unless they specifically request to be disciplined
on the subject? You people love this kind of stuff though
apparently and have no problem reading it and digesting it at
all!? If it were up to Western rightists this stuff would be
forced down children's throats in school! You want children in
school to learn about the "disease of females" and you believe
yourself to be a good person by doing so?
The True Left does not accept all Hadith's either:
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Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: February 16, 2022, 11:36 pm
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"it's indeed Islamic teachings"
We already covered this:
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"Muammar Kaddafi, leader whom you like because of his constant
opposition to the Western hegemony, are "homophobic""
Gaddafi had not socially decolonized enough. (His speciality was
dress decolonization.) Though if he had not been killed, perhaps
he might have socially decolonized more by now.
"So, which is the best bad options, supporting democratic
pro-Western movements but not "homophobic" (False Left Right
Wing Collaborator), or anti-Western but still "homophobic"
(Potential Leftist)?"
Counterculture-influenced (hence non-homophobic) people living
in Western countries need to be taught to abandon democracy.
Non-Westerners need to be taught that non-Western civilizations
were not homophobic prior to Western colonization. Both of these
goals can be pursued at the same time. This is the only way to
unite the two groups, failing which rightists will win.
--- Quote ---
> The struggle of political power in my nation is not between
racist people against the not racist people, but struggle of two
opposite political movements between democratic liberal
anti-racist which tend to support political liberalism which
resulting negotiate peace with Israel, and autocratic
anti-racist which remain hostile to the West and Israel
>
> I will choose the latter
--- End Quote ---
You can choose the latter while also opposing homophobia. Then
we can be allies. (Also, how can the former call itself
"anti-racist" but support Israel?)
#Post#: 11338--------------------------------------------------
Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: guest30
Date: February 17, 2022, 6:52 am
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@90sRetroFan
--- Quote ---
> You can choose the latter while also opposing homophobia. Then
we can be allies.
--- End Quote ---
Then in return, United States need to stop spreading wrong
ideology, don't let the them promote Western democracy and
liberalism, and also it's pervert Greece-influenced philosophy
like John Locke, Voltaire (Anti-Islam philosopher), Adam Smith,
Karl Marx, Nietschze, Stoicism, Aristoteles, Nihilism, and many
of their immoral and kuffar teachings, and also we don't need
pyschological teachings from the West to know about morality, if
psychological teachings from the West are morally correct, then
Western colonization will end on 19th century
And promoting opposition to homophobia is not good to the
Islamic people right now, so better we propose less violence
treatment to the "homosexuals", most of muslim people around the
world believe that is required to condemn "homosexuals" to be a
good muslims
--- Quote ---
> ...(Also, how can the former call itself "anti-racist" but
support Israel?)
--- End Quote ---
The false-left people of my nation consider all human are same,
all religion are same, it teaches same good morality,
progressivism and Westernization is more good for them rather
than socialism (Or work together with community for the sake of
people's empathic living), and also make a good relations with
Israel is not a problem because it benefit the nation's economy,
and maintaining peace to the world is correct to them rather
than against the evil oppressor, because against the evil
oppressor is considered as "intolerance", "immature", and
"unproductive"
And their arguments about Israel is, it just a nation which
there are also Islamic and Christian people on it, not just the
Jews, so there is no reason to against Israel, and being hostile
to Jews are racist according to them, because they are fellow
human being like us
And also, they consider people like me who want Islamic values
rule Nusantara people like before independence, which resulting
constant opposition to any Western colonialism, is a "backward",
"Arabized" and "intolerant" people, because Islamic values are
not compatible with today age which many nations using democracy
and progressivism as their value, but they have no problem with
implicit liberalization and Westernization of Nusantara, they
called it as "tolerance" and "progress"
@Mazda
--- Quote ---
> What came first, the Hebrew Bible or "Dakwah Aktual Menggugah
Rasa, Membangkitkan Jiwa"?
--- End Quote ---
Both Quran and Hebrew Bible contain verse which condemn
"homosexuals", that is the only explicit similarity between
Islamic teachings and Jewish teachings
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Re: Aryanism's hostility towards Russia and Eastern European
people
DIR By: Musso
Date: March 26, 2022, 2:43 am
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There were absolutely zero friendly relations between Zionists
and NS... ZERO !
Even the Jews who fought for Hitler refused to leave Germany
before, during and after the war. The Jews have even made up a
coin and claim that it is a proof of cooperation between NS and
Zionist. On the coin it says "Nazi" which none of the NS people
would ever call themselves the coin also just says 'Angriff' on
it instead of 'Der Angriff' -- which was the full/official title
of a newspaper so, yeah; the coin is fishy as hell they also
claim that there were something like 7 articles written about it
in the newspaper that accompanied the coin, but I have yet to
see a single one of these alleged 'articles' anywhere
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: April 4, 2022, 4:41 pm
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
> Green Ukraine
--- End Quote ---
Green Ukraine (as in the projected state) was directed against
Russia (the colonizer), not against China (the victim). How does
that constitute colonialism on par with what Russia was
originally doing?
Even more interesting: what would you have liked the local
Ukrainians to do? Kill themselves in atonement for piggybacking
on Russian colonialism? Alright, I might see your point,
however, at the moment the local Ukrainians tried to secede,
neither China nor even Japan (as far as I am aware) were
claiming this territory, so the only alternative to Green
Ukraine would have been continued Russian colonial rule.
Last but not least: who exactly should never be forgiven? Modern
Ukraine and their citizens? Neither the Ukrainian People's
Republic, nor Skoropadsky's Hetmanate, nor Petliura's Directory,
nor the Ukrainian Soviet Republic, nor Nestor Makhno's anarchist
entity, nor the Kholodny Yar Republic, nor any other (attempted)
state battling for control of Ukraine proper around that time
which can be linked to modern Ukraine in at least a geographical
sense ever claimed that territory. (Heck, most Ukrainians,
modern ones as well as contemporaries of Green Ukraine, likely
aren't/weren't even aware it was actually a thing!)
That leaves you with whatever descendants of the original
Ukrainian settlers can be found, who seem to be largely absorbed
into the surrounding Russian population (if not straight up
extinct), at which point singling them out as "Ukrainians" is
pretty **** redundant, as you're effectively punishing Russians
anyway (not that I have a particular problem with that).
Just to not leave the wrong impression: Outer Manchuria must be
given back to China and no one else (except maybe Japan, should
they prove themselves as the better anti-Duginists).
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Re: Re: Diplomatic decolonization
DIR By: rp
Date: April 4, 2022, 5:29 pm
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"Green Ukraine (as in the projected state) was directed against
Russia (the colonizer), not against China (the victim). How does
that constitute colonialism on par with what Russia was
originally doing?
Even more interesting: what would you have liked the local
Ukrainians to do? Kill themselves in atonement for piggybacking
on Russian colonialism? Alright, I might see your point,
however, at the moment the local Ukrainians tried to secede,
neither China nor even Japan (as far as I am aware) were
claiming this territory, so the only alternative to Green
Ukraine would have been continued Russian colonial rule."
But did the Ukrainians have the intent of returning the
territory to it's original owners? If not, then they complicit
in colonialism as much as anyone else. Although I understand if
you are suggesting that Green Ukraine would have served as a
temporary buffer against Russia, with the settlers effectively
being used as cannon fodder against the Russians, after which
the Chinese could easily reclaim their territory once the
Russians/Ukrainian settlers were exhausted from fighting
(similar to what we are aiming to achieve with Ukraine today).
I agree though that not all modern day Ukrainians should be held
responsible for this, so perhaps @90sRetroFan could clarify his
stance on that.
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Re: Re: Diplomatic decolonization
DIR By: guest55
Date: April 4, 2022, 8:59 pm
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Past Ukrainian colonialisms aside, I too have noticed that
several Ukrainian soldiers are much closer to the Aryan
phenotype than anything I've seen coming out of Russia. The fact
that Ukraine is also a major cereal crop provider, and one of
the biggest producers of sunflowers, also makes me see Ukraine
differently than Russia. Some Ukrainian soldiers have recently
been stating things such as, "We will never see Russians as our
brothers ever again!", as well....
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Re: Re: Diplomatic decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 4, 2022, 9:28 pm
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"Green Ukraine (as in the projected state) was directed against
Russia (the colonizer), not against China (the victim)."
Also, Israel was directed against Britain, not against
Palestine.
"what would you have liked the local Ukrainians to do? Kill
themselves in atonement for piggybacking on Russian
colonialism?"
Voluntarily refraining from reproducing would be enough.
"That leaves you with whatever descendants of the original
Ukrainian settlers can be found, who seem to be largely absorbed
into the surrounding Russian population (if not straight up
extinct), at which point singling them out as "Ukrainians" is
pretty **** redundant"
Note this:
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If hypothetically China were to reclaim Outer Manchuria, there
will doubtless be Chinese Eurocentrists eager to reproduce with
the present-day Russians there. This can hopefully be countered
with enough anti-Russian propaganda, but if the Chinese
Eurocentrists (whom for the sake of argument anti-Russian
propaganda has convinced to not reproduce with a Russian) then
encounter present-day Russians who say, "My ancestors were
Ukrainian!", that could be all it takes to make the Chinese
Eurocentrists decide to reproduce with them after all. We must
prepare to counter this also.
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Re: Re: Diplomatic decolonization
DIR By: Dazhbog
Date: April 5, 2022, 5:41 am
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
> Also, Israel was directed against Britain, not against
Palestine.
--- End Quote ---
The thing is that Israel turned on Britain because to my
knowledge, they went the extra mile in terms of ignobility,
perpetrating colonial violence on a scale even the British
didn't endorse. Was that the case with Green Ukraine as well?
--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
> Voluntarily refraining from reproducing would be enough.
--- End Quote ---
Keep in mind that I was talking about the time Green Ukraine
actually tried to secede, when neither China (nor Japan as
another local anti-colonial power) seemed to be interested in
seizing it (to my knowledge; I might be mistaken of course). If
you would have preferred the local Ukrainians to voluntarily go
extinct at that time, would you then have preferred Russian
colonial rule to continue instead?
--- Quote from: rp link ---
> If not, then they complicit in colonialism as much as anyone
else.
--- End Quote ---
To be clear, I'm not trying to deny or downplay the Green
Ukrainians' complicity. I'm just interested in knowing whether
90sRF would have preferred Russian colonial rule to continue
instead.
--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
> If hypothetically China were to reclaim Outer Manchuria, there
will doubtless be Chinese Eurocentrists eager to reproduce with
the present-day Russians there. This can hopefully be countered
with enough anti-Russian propaganda, but if the Chinese
Eurocentrists (whom for the sake of argument anti-Russian
propaganda has convinced to not reproduce with a Russian) then
encounter present-day Russians who say, "My ancestors were
Ukrainian!", that could be all it takes to make the Chinese
Eurocentrists decide to reproduce with them after all. We must
prepare to counter this also.
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Fair enough.
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