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Re: Recommended games to play
By: rp Date: May 21, 2023, 6:15 pm
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I imagine Westerners like Jaffe would have been the same people
who would have said that 2D graphics needed to be "improved" and
made 3D as soon as consoles were capable.
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Re: Recommended games to play
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 21, 2023, 7:08 pm
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With beat 'em ups we see the same pattern yet again, with
Western companies switching to 3D at the first opportunity
(1997):
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZbsUpF-6WA
while non-Western companies held out with 2D for as long as they
could (1999):
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvhzKHkNLkk
(2011(!)):
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbUxF1jwCP0
before finally (shamefully!) succumbing to Western pressure:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzRbtHbkiE0
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Re: Recommended games to play
By: rp Date: May 21, 2023, 7:43 pm
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"No more Zelda games should have been produced after this:"
To be fair, there were a few 2D Zelda games released after LTTP:
Link's Awakening DX (Game Boy Color):
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KeiuTSknes
Oracle of Seasons/Ages (Game Boy Color):
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_an9A4JO--A
Minish Cap (GBA):
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfEMNbjLd3Y
Four Swords Adventures (Gamecube):
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlZLv0oZ0Mo
All the other ones are 3D unfortunately. Hell, even the sequel
to LTTP, Link Between Worlds, was 2.5D (3D graphics, 2D gameplay
perspective, similar to Metroid: Samus Returns):
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIfqyyYXdSI
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Re: Recommended games to play
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 21, 2023, 7:51 pm
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"To be fair, there were a few 2D Zelda games released after
LTTP:"
My point was that I expected Nintendo to keep the promise it
made here:
[quote][img width=1280
height=982]
HTML https://twentiethcenturygamer.files.wordpress.com/2022/09/20220903_19215901.jpg[/img][/quote]
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Re: Recommended games to play
By: rp Date: June 3, 2023, 8:40 pm
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Super Smash Flash, 2D 16 bit Flash version of Super Smash Bros:
HTML https://www.supersmashflash.com/play/ssf2/&ved=2ahUKEwi6nMTMvaj_AhXpt4QIHTeYBS0QFnoECAwQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0oo9biPnUR2fFL5b-Qb4x4
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Re: Recommended games to play
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 3, 2023, 9:11 pm
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The sprites are 2D, but the way the background is set up
relative to the foreground, such that when the camera moves the
background moves differently to the foreground, still simulates
a 3D space:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8zXtAJI5VU
The same problem appears in several of your previous
suggestions, such as:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-games-to-play/msg18893/#msg18893
Do you see what I mean about the background/foreground
arrangement?
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Re: Recommended games to play
By: rp Date: June 3, 2023, 10:04 pm
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I see what you are saying wrt Super Smash Flash. It seems the
developers chose to keep that feature from Nintendo's version of
the game (why?), perhaps to appease Western audiences who would
dislike having the background's position fixed with respect to
the foreground as doing so would make the game unlike the
original version.
Or perhaps the developers themselves were Westerners who merely
opted to use 2D sprites due to the software constraints of Flash
being unable to render 3D animations...
I will watch the Badland video again before responding to that
game.
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Re: Recommended games to play
By: rp Date: June 3, 2023, 10:14 pm
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So I watched the Badland trailer again, and it appears it has
the same background/foreground arrangement.
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Re: Recommended games to play
By: rp Date: June 3, 2023, 10:23 pm
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Would you say this game, Sonic Mania, does something similar?:
HTML https://youtu.be/LQ1SbHLXlH8
Looking at the trailer, it appears that from the clips shown the
original Sonic games were already using the same camera
technique..
Unsurprising when one considers the fact that Sega developed
Sonic to target the adulterated adolescents who wanted something
more "adult like" than Nintendo characters.
But how about Super Mario World:
HTML https://youtu.be/3Tc_Ek0ASSA
The background does move a little differently to the foreground,
but the camera itself is stationary.
Same thing with Shovel Knight:
HTML https://youtu.be/jo-uuawy9Ok
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Re: Recommended games to play
By: rp Date: June 3, 2023, 11:33 pm
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I actually take back what I said about the camera wrt Super
Mario World and Shovel Knight. It seems the camera does indeed
move.
But this background/foreground arrangement is also present in
Super Metroid:
HTML https://youtu.be/yB317FOcU0Y
But one difference between these games and Sonic/Super Smash
Flash is that the camera only ever moves in a two dimensional
manner in the former, whereas in the latter, the camera also
pans in and out.
So I suppose that is what you are talking about? But in that
case, what is wrong with Badland, where the camera does not pan
in and out?
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