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Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
By: antihellenistic Date: July 5, 2024, 2:19 am
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White Nationalist and Nordicist worldview of Kaiser Wilhelm II
[quote]Of War and Peace. Wilhelm told Hale, too, that it was
Japan at the head of a united Asia which the world ought really
to fear. He proposed that Germany and the U.S. act together
against Japan. That was the chief theme of the interview.
Theodore Roosevelt almost hit the ceiling when it was shown to
him. Yet President Roosevelt and the Kaiser had a mutual regard
for each other. Two years later Roosevelt visited Berlin,
reviewed crack Prussian troops while the Kaiser’s cameramen
snapped pictures. On the back of one of them Wilhelm wrote:
“Kaiser and Rough Rider review German Army—Old Peace-Bore
Carnegie go way back and sit down.”
...
The future belongs to the White Race, never fear! It belongs to
the Anglo-Teuton, the man who came from Northern Europe . . .
the home of the German. . . . We are the only people who can
save it. There is no power in any other civilization or any
other religion that can save humanity ; and the
future—belongs—to—us.”[/quote]
Source :
1. TIME. (1941, June 16). GERMANY: The Man Who Failed. TIME;
nextgen.
HTML https://time.com/archive/6765082/germany-the-man-who-failed/
2. The Atlantic Monthly 1934-05: Vol 153 Iss 5 page 523
HTML https://archive.org/details/sim_atlantic_1934-05_153_5/page/522/mode/2up?q=anglo+teuton
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Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
By: antihellenistic Date: July 5, 2024, 8:09 pm
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White Nationalist and Nordicist Worldview of Theodore Roosevelt
Theodore Roosevelt, the true Nietzschean
[quote]“The force of race in history occupied a singularly
important place in Roosevelt’s broad intellectual outlook,”
wrote Thomas G. Dyer in Theodore Roosevelt and the Idea of Race.
Roosevelt believed fundamentally that American greatness came
from its rule by racially superior white men of European
descent.
....
In spite of those words, though, Roosevelt hardly saw all Black
Americans as equals. “As a race and in the mass they are
altogether inferior to the whites,” he confided to a friend in a
1906 letter. Ten years later, he told Senator Henry Cabot Lodge
that “the great majority of Negroes in the South are wholly
unfit for the suffrage” and that giving them voting rights could
“reduce parts of the South to the level of Haiti.”
Roosevelt also believed that Black men made poor soldiers. He
denigrated the efforts of the buffalo soldiers who fought
alongside his men at San Juan Hill during the Spanish-American
War, falsely claiming that they ran away under fire. “Negro
troops were shirkers in their duties and would only go as far as
they were led by white officers,” he wrote. In reality, the
buffalo soldiers served with distinction, and several men were
officially recognized for their bravery. Twenty-six died on the
slopes of San Juan Hill.
As for Native Americans, Roosevelt’s considerable time spent
ranching in the Dakota Territory only hardened his mindset
toward them, years before he became president. “I don’t go so
far as to think that the only good Indian is the dead Indian,”
he said in 1886, “but I believe nine out of every ten are, and I
shouldn’t like to inquire too closely into the case of the
tenth. The most vicious cowboy has more moral principle than the
average Indian.”
Roosevelt viewed Native Americans as impediments to the white
settlement of the United States and believed that white
frontiersmen had forged a new race—the American race—by
“ceaseless strife waged against wild man and wild nature.”
...
Roosevelt’s attitudes toward race also had a direct impact on
his foreign policy as president, says Cullinane: “Because he
believed that white Anglo-Saxons had reached the pinnacle of
social achievement, he thought they were in a position to teach
the other peoples of the world who had failed to reach such
heights. The United States would help tutor and uplift the
Western Hemisphere.”
That worldview formed the foundation of Roosevelt’s vocal
support of American imperialism, and in the White House he
presided over an expanding overseas empire that included
territories won in the Spanish-American War including Puerto
Rico, Guam, Cuba and the Philippines. His Roosevelt Corollary to
the Monroe Doctrine, also known famously as his “big stick”
foreign policy, laid the foundation for a more interventionist
policy in Latin America. He also extended American influence in
the region by fomenting a rebellion in Panama that resulted in
American construction of the Panama Canal.
And his desire to reset racial hierarchies wasn't limited to the
Western Hemisphere. “It is of incalculable importance that
America, Australia, and Siberia should pass out of the hands of
their red, black and yellow aboriginal owners," Roosevelt wrote
in his 1889 book The Winning of the West, "and become the
heritage of the dominant world races.”
...
Roosevelt’s racial philosophy of white superiority dovetailed
with his support of the eugenics movement, which advocated
selective breeding to engineer a race of people with more
“desirable” characteristics, and sterilization of “less
desirable” people, such as criminals, people with developmental
disabilities—and for some, people of color. “Society has no
business to permit degenerates to reproduce,” he wrote in 1913.
“Some day we will realize that the prime duty, the inescapable
duty of the good citizen of the right type is to leave his or
her blood behind him in the world; and that we have no business
to permit the perpetuation of citizens of the wrong
type.”[/quote]
Source :
Klein, C. (2020, August 11). How Teddy Roosevelt’s Belief in a
Racial Hierarchy Shaped His Policies. HISTORY.
HTML https://www.history.com/news/teddy-roosevelt-race-imperialism-national-parks
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Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
By: antihellenistic Date: July 5, 2024, 8:33 pm
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Woodrow Wilson
[quote]As the Democratic nominee in 1912, Wilson had garnered
the cautious support of many among the nation’s influential and
politically diverse Black leadership. His New Freedom platform
promising fairness and equality caught the attention of
prominent African American activists including W.E.B. Du Bois,
founder of the NAACP and publisher of The Crisis magazine, and
William Monroe Trotter, a prominent and vocal activist and
publisher of the civil rights newspaper, The Guardian.
Before long, however, Wilson’s policies and personal racism
dashed the hopes of Du Bois, Trotter, and many other African
Americans who had broken away from the Republican Party -- or
in Du Bois’s case the Socialist Party – to vote for the
“progressive” Democrat. Wilson’s failure to address Jim Crow
disenfranchisement, his decision to screen Birth of a Nation at
the White House in 1915, his dismissal of African American
activists, and – most notably – his administration’s active
segregation of the federal government, together helped to
further cement the systemic racial injustices that defined
American life in the 20th century.
...
Just two months after Wilson left office, his successor Warren
G. Harding signed America’s most restrictive immigration bill to
date – the 1921 Emergency Quota Act. Followed just 3 years later
with the even more restrictive 1924 National Origins Quota Act
(A.K.A. The Johnson-Reed Act), the American government for the
first time set strict limits on the number of immigrants
permitted into the United States. Seeking to not only limit the
number of immigrants but also the racial and ethnic make-up of
those hoping to start a new life in the United States, the
quotas deliberately targeted migrants from Asia, Eastern and
Southern Europe who nativists argued were ‘unfit’ and
unassimilable.[/quote]
Source :
Wilson and Race - President Wilson House. (2020, November 6).
President Wilson House - Historic Site & Gardens.
HTML https://woodrowwilsonhouse.org/wilson-topics/wilson-and-race/
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Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
By: Indeed Date: August 17, 2024, 1:18 am
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CODEPINK activist confronts Ben Shapiro at US Congress over
Israel support
HTML https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rn7f3hmujOo
Ben Shapiro (Jew) "poisoning the American public?". Common, Jews
poisoning the public of a foreign nation sounds so much like
something Hitler would have said. It cannot be true! Everyone in
the western world knows for a fact Hitler was an evil liar!!!
Comments:
[quote]It's a gift, they have shown us their true colors in the
world will never forget.[/quote]
[quote]They showed you their true colors prior to WWII and the
western world united in lying about it, and has done ever
since...[/quote]
[quote]Here they were, infecting the people with a pestilence—an
intellectual pestilence worse than the Black Death of ancient
days. This poison was produced and distributed in massive
quantities too! Naturally, the more immoral these artists and
producers are, the more they grow. Such a fellow flings his
garbage in the face of humanity like a windmill. Do not forget
their unlimited number. For every one German writer like Goethe,
nature plants at least ten thousand of these slimy creatures in
the pelt of humanity where they poison the people with their
disease. It was a dreadful but inescapable fact that the Jew
seemed specially chosen by nature in tremendous numbers for this
horrible destiny. Are we supposed to assume that this is the way
he is “chosen”? At that time, I began to carefully examine the
names of all the producers of these unclean products in the
world of art, and this scrutiny only damaged my attitude toward
the Jews more. Though my feelings were outrage times a thousand,
I must surrender to my reason and let it draw the conclusions.
It was true that nine-tenths of all the literary filth, artistic
trash, and theatrical nonsense must be attributed to a people
constituting scarcely one onehundredth of the country’s
population. It was a plain fact. I now began to scrutinize even
my beloved newspapers from the world press. The deeper I probed,
the more my previous admiration shrank. The style grew more
intolerable. I objected to the content as flat and shallow. The
objectivity was transformed into more of a lie than honest
truth—of course the authors were Jews. A thousand things which I
had once barely noticed now struck me as remarkably obvious,
while others, which had merely given me something to think
about, I began to grasp and understand... — Adolf Hitler, Mein
Kampf, pg. 40 - 41.[/quote]
[quote]His fellow-citizens are astonished at his lack of
national enthusiasm. They see theater and movies, trashy
literature, and yellow press day-by-day pouring out poison.
Then, they are surprised at the low morality and the national
indifference of the people. They do not realize movie trash,
cheap journalism and the like would never produce the skills
needed to recognize the greatness of the Fatherland! I finally
realized something I had never even dreamed of before. The
ability to “nationalize” a people is primarily a question of
creating healthy social conditions that can be used to educate
the individual. Only when upbringing and school training have
taught a man the political greatness of his own Fatherland will
he achieve an inner pride that comes from belonging to such a
great people. You can fight only for something you love. You can
love only what you respect. You can respect only what you
know... — Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, pg.26[/quote]
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Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
By: IraqAndGaza Date: August 27, 2024, 2:13 pm
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(Have not listened to this in many years and just remembered it
yesterday. Not an endorsement of Spingola or Radl. I know
Spingola herself tends to lean a bit right politically. The same
could be said for:
HTML https://justice4germans.wordpress.com/
).
I would argue that Hitler and Goebbels were clearly Christians,
but National Socialism was more of a religion of it's own and
separate from Christianity.
Debunking the Myths of “Nazi Occultism” – National Socialism was
Christian!
[quote]On Friday, August 2nd, Deanna Spingola‘s guest Dr. Karl
Radl discussed and debunked myths concerning the National
Socialism, the Third Reich and the Occult, and how the
self-described “Jews” created and used such disinformation to
facilitate “Christian Zionism” (which itself is a bastardization
of the teachings of Jesus Christ and his apostles). Indeed, it
is a myth promoted to discredit and demonize National Socialism,
and to keep people from looking deeper into the real issues
surrounding the war, but many “Neo-Nazi” types have gladly
embraced it too, along with many other myths and blatant lies.
Whose agenda do they really serve? Karl Radl also addressed the
myths concerning the Thule Society etc which are widely repeated
in the half-truth movement. He said there was “freedom of
religion in the Third Reich, but that it was not permitted to
politicize religious beliefs”. Indeed, to use a church to
undermine the German nation, which a number of ministers did and
found themselves in jail.
I have previously posted a number of articles already concerning
Hitler, National Socialism and Christianity and I have had quite
a number of self-professed “Hitler Fans” and Hitler Haters”,
including Christians, atheists, pagans and even satanists take
offence to that. Too bad! Find another hang out with some lying
guru to tickle your ears with more myths about Hitler, created
by his enemies.[/quote]
[quote]Here (below) is an example of the “Nazi Occult”and the
“Anti-Christian” myths described by Radl that were being
promoted during war time in Australia. The same, of course went
on in Britain, the USA, Canada and other allied countries.
While the “atrocity propaganda” already began in early 1933,
the mudslinging and fear-mongering did not stop there. This new
pack of lies seems to have started in 1937-38 at the time of the
Sudetenland crisis which eventually led to the Munich accord, as
well as, with the so-called “Anschluss” with Austria. Suddenly
everyone was jumping on the bandwagon pointing to “Mein Kampf”
and trying to make the case that Hitler was an imperialist, an
occultist, and war monger who wanted to “take over the world”,
thanks to the likes of Winston Churchill, Duff Cooper, Hore
Belisha, Lord Halifax, Sefton Delmer and many German born Jews
in exile, and it was propagated and believed. Note that this
article is in sharp contrast to the previous article I posted
yesterday from 1933.[/quote]
Further reading:
HTML https://justice4germans.wordpress.com/2013/08/07/debunking-the-myths-of-nazi-occultism-national-socialism-was-christian/
Related:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/secret-societies-and-occult-forces/
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
By: antihellenistic Date: September 3, 2024, 8:45 am
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Hitler view Stalin, from another analysis of sociologist and
historian Rainer Zitelmann
[quote]From early 1940 onwards, however, there were an
increasing number of statements made by Hitler in which his
admiration for Stalin and the Bolshevist regime become clear.
These, no doubt, also served the purpose of defending the pact
he had concluded with Stalin in 1939. But even after the attack
on the USSR, when Hitler no longer had an alliance to justify,
he clung to his positive assessment of Stalin. On September 23,
1941, Sturmabteilung (SA) Standartenführer Werner Koeppen noted
the following statement by Hitler:
Stalin was one of the greatest of living men because he
succeeded in forging a state out of this Slavic family of
rabbits, albeit only with the harshest of compulsion. For this
he naturally had to avail himself of the Jews, because the thin
Europeanized class which had formerly carried the state had been
exterminated, and these forces would never again grow up out of
the actual Russianhood.
Henry Picker, who recorded Hitler’s table talks, reports on
numerous further talks in which Hitler expressed his admiration
for Stalin or defended him against critical remarks. Hitler had
always, for example, become angry when someone called Stalin a
former “bank robber.” Hitler would then immediately defend
Stalin with the declaration that Stalin had not carried out his
bank robberies as a private person nor for the benefit of his
own pocket, “but as a revolutionary and in order to finance the
Communist movement.” For Stalin, Hitler said on July 22, 1942,
“one has to have respect in any case. In his way he is quite a
brilliant chap!”
Heinrich Heim, another witness who recorded Hitler’s table
talks, also noted many positive statements by Hitler about
Stalin. On August 26, 1942, Hitler said:
If Stalin had continued to work for another ten to fifteen years
Soviet Russia would have become the most powerful nation on
earth, 150, 200, 300 years may go by, that is such a unique
phenomenon! That the general standard of living rose, there can
be no doubt. The people did not suffer from hunger. Taking
everything together we have to say: They built factories here
where two years ago there was nothing but forgotten villages,
factories which are as big as the Hermann Göring Works. They
have railways that are not even marked on the maps. Here with us
we argue about the tariffs before the railway is even built. I
have a book about Stalin; one has to say: That is an enormous
personality, a real ascetic, who has brought that huge empire
together with an iron fist. Only when someone says that is a
social state, then that is a gigantic swindle! It is a national
capital state: 200 million people, iron, manganese, nickel, oil,
petroleum and what you like – unlimited. At the head a man who
said: Do you think the loss of 13 million people is too much for
a great idea?
The things Hitler admired in Stalin become particularly clear in
this statement: the consistency, even brutality (“iron fist”),
with which Stalin—even with the sacrifice of millions of
people—implemented the “great idea” and created a powerful
industrial state impressed Hitler. In Stalin, he saw his own
reflection, namely the executor of the dictatorship of
modernization who did not shrink from the employment of even the
most brutal methods.[/quote]
Source :
How Adolf Hitler Began to Admire Josef Stalin
HTML https://nationalinterest.org/feature/how-adolf-hitler-began-admire-josef-stalin-201010
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Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 3, 2024, 12:18 pm
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I already pointed out why this viewpoint is wrong:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/western-revisionism-of-wwi-and-wwii/msg24528/#msg24528
[quote]It is only correct to say that Hitler dared not
underestimate Stalin:
"Stalin, too, must command our unconditional respect. In his own
way he is a hell of a fellow ! He knows his models, Genghiz Khan
and the others, very well, and the scope of his industrial
planning is exceeded only by our own Four Year Plan."
When Hitler uses the term 'respect', it is in the sense of
viewing Stalin as a serious threat not to be taken lightly, not
in the sense of viewing him as a rolemodel.[/quote]
From your quote:
[quote]If Stalin had continued to work for another ten to
fifteen years Soviet Russia would have become the most powerful
nation on earth
...
iron, manganese, nickel, oil, petroleum and what you like –
unlimited.[/quote]
I agree with Hitler! I today am still worried that Russia will
become more powerful, for these same reasons! But that doesn't
mean I like Stalin, nor does it mean Hitler liked Stalin! Hitler
was recognizing a danger and warning against underestimating it
until it is too late. This is why Hitler invaded Russia! If it
was genuine admiration, Hitler would not have invaded. Hitler's
decision to invade is the best indicator of what he was
thinking.
Discouraging underestimation =/= admiration!
Zitelmann also distorts National Socialist Germany in other
ways:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainer_Zitelmann
[quote]Unlike Dahrendorf, Schoenbaum and Turner, who argued that
the modernisation of German society during the Nazi period was
an unintentional side effect or merely a necessary adjunct
towards achieving profoundly antimodern goals, Zitelmann argued
that modernization of German society was intended and a central
goal of the Nazis.[12][/quote]
I agree with Dahrendorf, Schoenbaum and Turner.
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Re: Hitler: The Face of Anti-Tribalism
By: antihellenistic Date: September 10, 2024, 9:30 pm
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Another source stated that Hitler rejects Germanicist Cult, and
said that it's incompatible with National Socialism
Translated from German language into English with Google
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[quote]Hitler was fundamentally convinced that his worldview
represented a rational, scientifically based theory. If we
examine his speech at the cultural conference of the Reich Party
Congress in 1938 in more detail below, it becomes clear how
questionable - with reference to Hitler - the interpretation of
National Socialism as an expression of an emphasis on "mythical"
and "irrational" aspects of human life against the rationalism
of the Enlightenment and the 19th century is: In his speech,
Hitler again started from architecture, which has the task of
expressing the "overall will of an era". "The religious,
inwardly oriented mythical world of the Christian Middle Ages
has found forms of expression that are only possible, indeed
useful, for this world alone. A Gothic stadium is just as
unthinkable as a Romanesque train station or a Byzantine market
hall." National Socialism, on the other hand, is "a cool theory
of reality based on the sharpest scientific findings and their
intellectual expression. While we have opened and are opening
the hearts of our people to this doctrine, we do not wish to
fill it with a mysticism that lies outside the purpose and goal
of our doctrine. First of all, National Socialism in its
organization is certainly a popular movement, but under no
circumstances a cultic phenomenon ... For National Socialism is
not a cultic movement, but a national-political doctrine that
has grown out of exclusively racial insights. Its meaning is not
a mystical cult, but the care and leadership of the
blood-determined people. - We therefore have no cult rooms, but
only people's halls, nor cult places, but assembly and parade
grounds. We have no cult groves, but sports arenas and
playgrounds. And the characteristic of our assembly rooms is not
the mystical darkness of a place of worship, but the brightness
and light of a hall or hall building that is as beautiful as it
is functional. Therefore, no cultic activities take place in
them, but only popular demonstrations of the kind we have
learned in the course of long struggles and are thus accustomed
to and want to preserve. The infiltration of mystically inclined
occult researchers of the afterlife must therefore not be
tolerated in the movement. They are not National Socialists, but
something else, and in any case something that has nothing to do
with us. At the top of our program is not mysterious intuition,
but clear recognition and thus open confession... There were
ages in which the semi-darkness was the prerequisite for the
effectiveness of certain teachings, and today there is an age in
which light is the basic condition for our successful actions.
Woe betide us if, through the infiltration of unclear mystical
elements, the movement or the state itself issues unclear
orders. And it is enough if this ambiguity lies in the words. It
is dangerous to commission any kind of so-called "place of
worship" because this creates the need for the later creation of
so-called cult games and cult acts that have nothing to do with
National Socialism. Our cult means exclusively: the cultivation
of what is natural and therefore also of what is divinely
intended." **
Himmler and Rosenberg *”. It is all the more questionable when
Turner, in his essay on “Fascism and Anti-Modernism”, speaks of
a main current of the Nazi utopia which was represented by
“Hitler, Himmler, Rosenberg, Darre” and which allegedly
discovered “its guiding principles in the early Middle Ages, but
also in pre-Christian, even prehistoric times” and which above
all wanted to solve the problems of highly industrialised
Germany in the 20th century through “a revival of the cultic
veneration of blood and soil” °*®. This may be true with regard
to Himmler and Rosenberg, but Hitler clearly distanced himself
from such endeavours. In his table talks on 23 September he
emphasised 1941: "National Socialism must never endeavour to
imitate a religion in a simian manner; it is always concerned
only with scientifically building up a doctrine which is nothing
more than a cult of reason." ** National Socialism as a
scientific doctrine, as a "cult of reason" - such formulations
should provide an opportunity to examine the thesis that
National Socialism saw itself in principle as a counter-movement
against the Enlightenment and the rationalism of the 18th/19th
century.[/quote]
Source :
Hitler. Selbstverständnis eines Revolutionärs page 372 - 374
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Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 10, 2024, 10:14 pm
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I dislike this portrayal of Hitler as a materialist. We should
emphasize Hitler's Gnostic influences, which also means not
putting Rosenberg in the same camp as Himmler, as previously
explained:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/hitler-the-face-of-anti-tribalism/msg27677/#msg27677
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Re: Colonialism as viewed by Westerners
By: antihellenistic Date: September 24, 2024, 7:37 pm
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HTML https://t.me/exposinghitler/954
[quote]H*tler is responsible for everything wrong with Europe
(and the West)
Former n*zi here.
Almost everything that poltards **** about 24/7 - muh "state of
westurn civilizashun" muh "pure airean race and white wimmin"
etc - is directly caused by h*tler's actions during the War.
He traumatised and scarred the entirety of the West which
eventually led to the collapse of imperialism, end of racism and
eugenics, advent of gay rights, women's rights etc.
NO ONE wanted to associate themselves with anything h*tler did.
And so they went the other extreme.
That's it - THAT's the reason west is the way it is today.
And frankly it isn't HALF as bad as you've made it out to be.
Step out the basement sometime.
So how is this not glaringly obvious?
Where the **** did this "Hitler was our saviour", "Hitler was
right" bullshit even begin?
HTML http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/420138903[/quote]
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