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Re: Gospel of Thomas: Why Is It Not In the Bible?
By: christianbethel Date: October 23, 2020, 5:15 pm
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I suppose that makes sense. In your expert opinion, do you think
the Nag Hammadi Library is the best place to start reading about
Gnosticism? I am aware of several other Gnostic texts outside
this collection of writings, such as the writings of the
Cathars.
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Re: Gospel of Thomas: Why Is It Not In the Bible?
By: SirGalahad Date: October 30, 2020, 1:50 am
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Sorry for the slight change of topic, but the Nag Hammadi
codices begin with the Prayer of the Apostle Paul. Doesn't that
render the rest of the texts dubious, since we're supposed to
reject Paul the Apostle? I've taken a lot of inspiration from
the Nag Hammadi codices, so it feels weird that something
attributed to Paul managed to slip in.
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Re: Gospel of Thomas: Why Is It Not In the Bible?
By: guest5 Date: October 30, 2020, 12:49 pm
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I rarely read any scripture or any of the Gnostic texts. There
are a few pieces of literature I am interested in reading from
the list above, however. I have faith in God and I operate under
the belief that if I am meant to know something it will find me.
I don't necessarily believe that I have learned anything new in
my present 44 times around the sun journey, only that I've been
reacquainted with things I have forgotten when I was cast into
the flesh. Sure, I did some seeking, finding, and knocking, when
I started my journey, just to find the path I wanted to walk
down, but most of what I have learned along the way found me, I
did not find it. God to me represents the absolute truth, that
is why there is only one. I believe God is the collective
consciousness of the cosmos and that aspects of God can be
corrupted in the material realm.
These teachings from the Essene Gospel of Peace resonate with me
above all other teachings:
[quote]Seek not the law in your scriptures, for the law is life,
whereas the scripture is dead.[/quote]
[quote]God wrote not the laws in the pages of books, but in your
heart and in your spirit. They are in your breath, your blood,
your bone; in your flesh, your bowels, your eyes, your ears, and
in every little part of your body. They are present in the air,
in the water, in the earth, in the plants, in the sunbeams, in
the depths and in the heights. They all speak to you that you
may understand the tongue and the will of the living God. But
you shut your eyes that you may not see, and you shut your ears
that you may not hear. I tell you truly, that the scripture is
the work of man, but life and all its hosts are the work of our
God. Wherefore do you not listen to the words of God which are
written in His works? And wherefore do you study the dead
scriptures which are the work of the hands of men?[/quote]
Those teachings coupled with that of the Gnostic Monoimus are
the only spiritual teachings I operate under. I do not need much
else at all....
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
By: guest5 Date: May 31, 2021, 2:20 pm
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The Gospels are not by eyewitnesses!
[quote]Dr John Barton FBA is a British Anglican priest and
biblical scholar and Professor of the Interpretation of Holy
Scripture at the University of Oxford and a Fellow of Oriel
College.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xec1YiE8Gw
See also:
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Christ, a Symbol of the Self, by Carl Jung
By: guest55 Date: July 23, 2021, 3:30 pm
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Christ, a Symbol of the Self, by Carl Jung
[quote]Jung discusses Christ, the Anti-Christ, and the concepts
of Good and Evil in psychological (not theological) terms,
describing their symbolism and significance in the human
psyche.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xU2AMOdkEc
[quote]Omitting to seek after God, and creation, and things
similar to these, seek for Him from (out of) thyself, and learn
who it is that absolutely appropriates (unto Himself) all things
in thee, and says, "My God my mind, my understanding, my soul,
my body." And learn from whence are sorrow, and joy, and love,
and hatred, and involuntary wakefulness, and involuntary
drowsiness, and involuntary anger, and involuntary affection;
and if you accurately investigate these (points), you will
discover (God) Himself, unity and plurality, in thyself,
according to that tittle, and that He finds the outlet (for
Deity) to be from thyself. Monoimus, Arabian Gnostic[/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoimus
The day Jesus denied he was God - and the later cover-up!
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxrerjcWHg4&list=PLPyBwDvuhUcE6tA-04WJgtKBSLxvEmano&index=32
[quote]The one who seeks should not cease seeking until he
finds. And when he finds, he will be dismayed. And when he is
dismayed, he will be astonished. And he will be king over the
All. Jesus, Gospel of Thomas, saying 2[/quote]
[quote]If those who lead you say to you: Look, the kingdom is
in the sky! then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they
say to you: It is in the sea, then the fishes will precede
you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you and outside of you.
When you come to know yourselves, then you will be known, and
you will realize that you are the children of the living Father.
But if you do not come to know yourselves, then you exist in
poverty, and you are poverty. Jesus, Gospel of Thomas, saying
3[/quote]
[quote]The one who seeks will find. [The one who knocks], to
that one will it be opened. Jesus, Gospel of Thomas, saying
94[/quote]
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
By: Zea_mays Date: January 11, 2022, 12:14 pm
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Christians who rejected Jewish ways of thinking:
[quote]The Church Fathers identified Jews and Judaism with
heresy and declared the people of Israel to be extra Deum (lat.
"outside of God"). Saint Peter of Antioch referred to Christians
that refused to worship religious images as having "Jewish
minds".[22] In the early second century AD, the heretic Marcion
of Sinope (c. 85 c. 160 AD) declared that the Jewish God was a
different God, inferior to the Christian one,[23] and rejected
the Jewish scriptures as the product of a lesser deity.[23]
Marcion's teachings, which were extremely popular, rejected
Judaism not only as an incomplete revelation, but as a false one
as well,[23] but, at the same time, allowed less blame to be
placed on the Jews personally for having not recognized
Jesus,[23] since, in Marcion's worldview, Jesus was not sent by
the lesser Jewish God, but by the supreme Christian God, whom
the Jews had no reason to recognize.[23][/quote]
vs Judeo-Christians who wanted to be Yahweh's chosen:
[quote]In combating Marcion, orthodox apologists conceded that
Judaism was an incomplete and inferior religion to
Christianity,[23] while also defending the Jewish scriptures as
canonical.[23] The Church Father Tertullian (c. 155 c. 240 AD)
had a particularly intense personal dislike towards the Jews[23]
and argued that the Gentiles had been chosen by God to replace
the Jews, because they were worthier and more honorable.[23]
Origen of Alexandria (c. 184 c. 253) was more knowledgeable
about Judaism than any of the other Church Fathers,[24] having
studied Hebrew, met Rabbi Hillel the Younger, consulted and
debated with Jewish scholars, and been influenced by the
allegorical interpretations of Philo of Alexandria.[24] Origen
defended the canonicity of the Old Testament[24] and defended
Jews of the past as having been chosen by God for their
merits.[24] Nonetheless, he condemned contemporary Jews for not
understanding their own Law, insisted that Christians were the
"true Israel", and blamed the Jews for the death of Christ.[24]
He did, however, maintain that Jews would eventually attain
salvation in the final apocatastasis.[24][/quote]
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
By: christianbethel Date: April 8, 2022, 8:45 pm
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Should I just excise all fourteen Pauline epistles from the New
Testament despite the authorship of some being disputed?
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Re: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 8, 2022, 8:49 pm
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Excise everything except the Gospels!
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Re: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
By: christianbethel Date: April 8, 2022, 9:11 pm
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Everything? What's wrong with, say, the three letters of John or
the Book of Revelation?
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Re: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 8, 2022, 9:19 pm
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Not about Jesus' life, therefore irrelevant.
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