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Gospel of Thomas: Why Is It Not In the Bible?
By: guest5 Date: July 7, 2020, 9:19 pm
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Gospel of Thomas: Why Is It Not In the Bible?
[quote]The Gospel of Thomas. It is a famous text, but what do we
really know about it? And why didn't it make it into the New
Testament canon?[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDQ0w_f5P2s&t=224s
Real answer: Because it contradicts the Jesus created by Saul of
Tarsus in Judeo-Christianity!
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Re: Gospel of Thomas: Why Is It Not In the Bible?
By: guest5 Date: July 7, 2020, 9:20 pm
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The Gospel of St. Thomas & The Miracle of Muhammad (pbuh) ~ Dr.
Yasir Qadhi
[quote]In 325 AD at the Council of Nicaea the Roman Emperor
Constantine gathered a large assembly in order to attain
consensus in the Church and form a standardized doctrine of
Christianity. Eventually, based on this Nicene Creed, four
Gospels that now form the essence of the New Testament were
selected to be part of the Bible, and all other gospels and
manuscripts that didn't support the Nicene creed were
subsequently destroyed and their knowledge forever lost in
history.
Three centuries later, an unlettered shepherd in a far away land
of Arabia by the name of Muhammad (peace be upon him) started
narrating unknown stories about Jesus (peace be upon him) and
his miracles of speaking from the cradle as a baby and blowing
life into clay birds: stories that are not found in any of the
four Gospels of the New Testament.
For centuries these stories were known only to be stories found
in the Qur'an, until the late 19th Century, when an
unprecedented discovery of the lost Gospel of St. Thomas that
dated back to the 4th Century (200 years before the coming of
Islam) mentions these very stories that Muhammad (peace be upon
him) spoke about!
In this thought-provoking video clip Shaykh Dr. Yasir Qadhi
unravels the mystery of the lost stories of Jesus (peace be upon
him) and the miracle of Muhammad (peace be upon him).[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tu707oWxGqM
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Re: Gospel of Thomas: Why Is It Not In the Bible?
By: guest9 Date: July 25, 2020, 8:22 am
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I grew up with the belief that jesus was Crucified by Roman's
but nowadays gentiles literally blame Jews for the Crucifixion
despite the Fact that the Quran in verse 4:157 never deny the
Roman crucifixion(as many evangelicals claim) of christ but only
Jews and their claims in the talmud
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The Sacred Apocryphal Texts of The Nazarene
By: guest5 Date: October 18, 2020, 9:49 pm
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The Apocryphal Texts The excluded and suppressed books of the
Bible. In the process of determining the Biblical canon, a large
number of texts were excluded from the New Testament, many of
which were vigorously suppressed or destroyed. Some survive only
as fragments.
The Gospel of the Holy Twelve Also known as "The Gospel of the
Nazarenes," the text includes the complete life and teachings of
Jesus the Nazarene. The lections of this ancient Gospel set
forth a much higher moral and spiritual understanding than is
currently taught by the orthodox Christian church.
The Essene Gospels of Peace Liberated from the secret archives
of the Vatican, these sacred scrolls are testaments to the
eternal and living truth.
The Nag Hammadi Library a collection of thirteen ancient codices
containing over fifty texts. Discovered in upper Egypt in 1945,
this immensely important discovery includes a large number of
primary Gnostic scriptures, texts once thought to have been
entirely destroyed during the early Christian struggle to define
"orthodoxy."
The Gospel of Thomas These are the secret sayings which the
living Jesus spoke and which Didymos Judas Thomas wrote down.
Complete with parallels and commonalties from the New Testament
Gospels.
The Greek New Testament The entire 1881 Westcott-Hort New
Testament in ancient Greek. Variant readings are also given
within the text of this translation. (The Greek "symbol" font is
required for viewing this text.)
The Gospel of Q A collection of Jesus' sayings which forms the
two-source hypothesis and the most widely accepted solution to
the synoptic problem which posits that Matthew and Luke drew on
two written sources, as shown by textual correspondences between
their works. The Gospel of Mark forms one source, and Q the
other.
The Sophia (Wisdom) of Jesus Christ A revelation discourse
describing the celestial regions beyond the visible world. Given
by the risen Christ in response to questions by his disciples.
The Book of Enoch Once considered scripture, the Book of Enoch
contains many key concepts used by Jesus. Over a hundred phrases
in the New Testament find precedents in this ancient text. Many
Aramaic fragments of Enoch have been recovered from the Qumran
caves, showing the importance of Enoch to the Essene community.
From Enoch to the Dead Sea Scrolls From the remote ages of
antiquity this remarkable teaching has existed which is
universal in its application and ageless in its wisdom.
The Dead Sea Scrolls Their discovery, interpretations and
publication. A collection of 850 documents which were discovered
between 1947 and 1956 at eleven caves near Qumran, a fortress
northwest of the Dead Sea. They were written in Hebrew, Aramaic,
and Greek, sometime between the 2nd century BC and the 1st
century ACE.
The Authors of the Dead Sea Scrolls The latest discoveries and
scholarly debate on the authors of the Dead Sea scrolls and the
Temple library of Jerusalem.
Christ in Islâm Traditional sayings and stories attributed to
Jesus taken from Islamic literature. Islam has always considered
Jesus to be one of the greatest of prophets. Highly recommended
to anyone interested in comparative religion or alternative
views of Jesus.
The Kybalion The study of the Hermetic philosophy of ancient
Egypt and Greece. These teachings cannot be accredited to any
one person or human source, for these teachings represent the
workings of Creation Itself.
The Wisdom of Solomon One of the forgotten books of the
Apocrypha; It is a 1st century Greek work originating in
Alexandrian Egypt. The work relates early Nazarite and Essene
understandings of the feminine principle of God at work in the
ancient Hebrew tradition.
Clothed With The Sun The Book of the Illuminations of Anna Bonus
Kingsford. A contemporary of Rev. Ouseley, this remarkable text
explains the interpretations of mystical scripture and the
spiritual mysteries of the kingdoms of God.
The Book of the Mysteries of God Anciently called "The Greater
Mysteries" as containing knowledges which for their interiorness
were reserved for initiates of high degree.
The Perfect Way or The Finding of Christ The Perfect Way
represents a discovery to ascertain the nature and method of
existence. It also represents a recovery because the system
propounded has proved to be that which constituted the basic and
secret doctrines of all the great religions of antiquity,
including Christianity, – the doctrine commonly called the
Gnosis, and variously entitled Hermetic and Kabbalistic.
The Essene Book Store Suggestions and resources for expanding
your own Essenic library or scriptorium.
Textual Analysis of Biblical Literature The scholarly approach
of studying, evaluating and critically assessing the Bible as
literature in order to better understand its origins and the
original intentions of its authors.
HTML http://www.thenazareneway.com/index.htm#The_Sacred_and_Apocryphal_Texts
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Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
By: christianbethel Date: October 21, 2020, 7:43 pm
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I just read the Wikipedia page for Gnosticism and it's filled
with statements saying it originated from Jewish thought and
Judaism. Can someone pease explain this to me? I thought
Gnosticism was supposed to oppose Judaism. Here are the passages
I found:
[quote]Gnosticism (from Ancient Greek:
γνωστικός,
romanized: gnōstikós, Koine Greek:
[ɡˠno̞s.tiˈkos], "having knowledge") is a
collection of religious ideas and systems which originated in
the first century AD among early Christian and Jewish
sects.[/quote]
[quote]A major question in scholarly research is the
qualification of Gnosticism as either an interreligious
phenomenon or as an independent religion. Scholars have
acknowledged the influence of sources such as Hellenistic
Judaism, Zoroastrianism, and Platonism, and some have noted
possible links to Buddhism and Hinduism, though the evidence of
direct influence from the latter sources is inconclusive.
[/quote]
[quote]The origins of Gnosticism are obscure and still disputed.
The proto-orthodox Christian groups called Gnostics a heresy of
Christianity,[note 13][17] but according to the modern scholars
the theology's origin is closely related to Jewish sectarian
milieus and early Christian sects.
[/quote]
[quote]
2.1 Jewish Christian origins
Contemporary scholarship largely agrees that Gnosticism has
Jewish Christian origins, originating in the late first century
AD in nonrabbinical Jewish sects and early Christian
sects.[23][1][18][note 14]
Many heads of gnostic schools were identified as Jewish
Christians by Church Fathers, and Hebrew words and names of God
were applied in some gnostic systems.[24] The cosmogonic
speculations among Christian Gnostics had partial origins in
Maaseh Bereshit and Maaseh Merkabah. This thesis is most notably
put forward by Gershom Scholem (1897–1982) and Gilles Quispel
(1916–2006). Scholem detected Jewish gnosis in the imagery of
the merkavah, which can also be found in "Christian" Gnostic
documents, for example the being "caught away" to the third
heaven mentioned by Paul the Apostle.[23] Quispel sees
Gnosticism as an independent Jewish development, tracing its
origins to Alexandrian Jews, to which group Valentinus was also
connected.[25]
Many of the Nag Hammadi texts make reference to Judaism, in some
cases with a violent rejection of the Jewish God.[18][note 14]
Gershom Scholem once described Gnosticism as "the Greatest case
of metaphysical anti-Semitism".[26] Professor Steven Bayme said
gnosticism would be better characterized as anti-Judaism.[27]
Recent research into the origins of Gnosticism shows a strong
Jewish influence, particularly from Hekhalot literature.[28]
Within early Christianity, the teachings of Paul and John may
have been a starting point for Gnostic ideas, with a growing
emphasis on the opposition between flesh and spirit, the value
of charisma, and the disqualification of the Jewish law. The
mortal body belonged to the world of inferior, worldly powers
(the archons), and only the spirit or soul could be saved. The
term gnostikos may have acquired a deeper significance here.[29]
Alexandria was of central importance for the birth of
Gnosticism. The Christian ecclesia (i. e. congregation, church)
was of Jewish–Christian origin, but also attracted Greek
members, and various strand of thought were available, such as
"Judaic apocalypticism, speculation on divine wisdom, Greek
philosophy, and Hellenistic mystery religions."[29]
Regarding the angel Christology of some early Christians,
Darrell Hannah notes:
[Some] early Christians understood the pre-incarnate Christ,
ontologically, as an angel. This "true" angel Christology took
many forms and may have appeared as early as the late First
Century, if indeed this is the view opposed in the early
chapters of the Epistle to the Hebrews. The Elchasaites, or at
least Christians influenced by them, paired the male Christ with
the female Holy Spirit, envisioning both as two gigantic angels.
Some Valentinian Gnostics supposed that Christ took on an
angelic nature and that he might be the Saviour of angels. The
author of the Testament of Solomon held Christ to be a
particularly effective "thwarting" angel in the exorcism of
demons. The author of De Centesima and Epiphanius' "Ebionites"
held Christ to have been the highest and most important of the
first created archangels, a view similar in many respects to
Hermas' equation of Christ with Michael. Finally, a possible
exegetical tradition behind the Ascension of Isaiah and attested
by Origen's Hebrew master, may witness to yet another angel
Christology, as well as an angel Pneumatology.[30]
The pseudepigraphical Christian text Ascension of Isaiah
identifies Jesus with angel Christology:
[The Lord Christ is commissioned by the Father] And I heard
the voice of the Most High, the father of my LORD as he said to
my LORD Christ who will be called Jesus, 'Go out and descend
through all the heavens...[31]
The Shepherd of Hermas is a Christian literary work considered
as canonical scripture by some of the early Church fathers such
as Irenaeus. Jesus is identified with angel Christology in
parable 5, when the author mentions a Son of God, as a virtuous
man filled with a Holy "pre-existent spirit".
[/quote]
[quote]Jewish Gnosticism with a focus on Sophia was active by 90
AD.[/quote]
[quote]During the first period, three types of tradition
developed:[68]
[list]
[li]Genesis was reinterpreted in Jewish milieus, viewing Yahweh
as a jealous God who enslaved people; freedom was to be obtained
from this jealous God;[/li]
[/list]
[list]
[li]A wisdom tradition developed, in which Jesus' sayings were
interpreted as pointers to an esoteric wisdom, in which the soul
could be divinized through identification with wisdom.[68][note
21] Some of Jesus' sayings may have been incorporated into the
gospels to put a limit on this development. The conflicts
described in 1 Corinthians may have been inspired by a clash
between this wisdom tradition and Paul's gospel of crucifixion
and arising;[68][/li]
[/list]
[list]
[li] A mythical story developed about the descent of a heavenly
creature to reveal the Divine world as the true home of human
beings.[68] Jewish Christianity saw the Messiah, or Christ, as
"an eternal aspect of God's hidden nature, his "spirit" and
"truth", who revealed himself throughout sacred
history".[29][/li]
[/list][/quote]
[quote]Tertullian calls Paul "the apostle of the heretics",[82]
because Paul's writings were attractive to gnostics, and
interpreted in a gnostic way, while Jewish Christians found him
to stray from the Jewish roots of Christianity.[83] In I
Corinthians Paul refers to some church members as "having
knowledge" (Greek: τὸν
ἔχοντα
γνῶσιν, ton echonta gnosin).[84]
James Dunn claims that in some cases, Paul affirmed views that
were closer to gnosticism than to proto-orthodox Christianity.
According to Clement of Alexandria, the disciples of Valentinus
said that Valentinus was a student of a certain Theudas, who was
a student of Paul,[85] and Elaine Pagels notes that Paul's
epistles were interpreted by Valentinus in a gnostic way, and
Paul could be considered a proto-gnostic as well as a
proto-Catholic.[64] Many Nag Hammadi texts, including, for
example, the Prayer of Paul and the Coptic Apocalypse of Paul,
consider Paul to be "the great apostle".[85] The fact that he
claimed to have received his gospel directly by revelation from
God appealed to the gnostics, who claimed gnosis from the risen
Christ.[86] The Naassenes, Cainites, and Valentinians referred
to Paul's epistles.[87] Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy have
expanded upon this idea of Paul as a gnostic teacher;[88]
although their premise that Jesus was invented by early
Christians based on an alleged Greco-Roman mystery cult has been
dismissed by scholars.[89][note 22] However, his revelation was
different from the gnostic revelations.[90]
[/quote]
[quote]Gnostic ideas found a Jewish variation in the mystical
study of Kabbalah. Many core Gnostic ideas reappear in Kabbalah,
where they are used for dramatically reinterpreting earlier
Jewish sources according to this new system.[142] The Kabbalists
originated in 13th-century Provence,[note 29] which was at that
time also the center of the Gnostic Cathars. While some scholars
in the middle of the 20th century tried to assume an influence
between the Cathar "gnostics" and the origins of the Kabbalah,
this assumption has proved to be an incorrect generalization not
substantiated by any original texts.[144] On the other hand,
scholars such as Scholem have postulated that there was
originally a "Jewish gnosticism", which influenced the early
origins of gnosticism.[145] Kabbalah does not employ the
terminology or labels of non-Jewish Gnosticism, but grounds the
same or similar concepts in the language of the Torah (the first
five books of the Hebrew Bible).[146] The 13th-century Zohar
("Splendor"), a foundational text in Kabbalah, is written in the
style of a Jewish Aramaic Midrash, clarifying the five books of
the Torah with a new Kabbalistic system that uses completely
Jewish terms.[147]
[/quote]
[quote]Prior to the discovery of Nag Hammadi, the Gnostic
movements were largely perceived through the lens of the early
church heresiologists. Johann Lorenz von Mosheim (1694–1755)
proposed that Gnosticism developed on its own in Greece and
Mesopotamia, spreading to the west and incorporating Jewish
elements. According to Mosheim, Jewish thought took Gnostic
elements and used them against Greek philosophy.[37] J. Horn and
Ernest Anton Lewald proposed Persian and Zoroastrian origins,
while Jacques Matter described Gnosticism as an intrusion of
eastern cosmological and theosophical speculation into
Christianity.[37][/quote]
[quote]Contemporary scholarship largely agrees that Gnosticism
has Jewish or Judeo-Christian origins;[23] this theses is most
notably put forward by Gershom G. Scholem (1897–1982) and Gilles
Quispel (1916–2006)...Gilles Quispel divided Syrian-Egyptian
Gnosticism further into Jewish Gnosticism (the Apocryphon of
John)[94] and Christian Gnosis (Marcion, Basilides,
Valentinus).[/quote]
Is this the same Gnosticism Aryanism.net practices?
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Re: Re: Right-left (Judeo-)Christian divergence
By: guest5 Date: October 21, 2020, 8:17 pm
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Is this the same Gnosticism Aryanism.net practices?
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/help-with-reconciling-islam-and-the-other-aryan-faiths/
[quote]It is critical that Aryanists not merely theorize, but
personally undertake the spiritual journey of Arya. As long as
our destination is the same, our choice of path is a matter of
personal preference and should not affect our rapport. On the
other hand, not all followers of any one path are headed towards
the same destination. As such, support should be given not to
any religion in its entirety, but to its Aryan aspects only.
Aryanists are expected to be able to effortlessly distinguish
between Aryan and non-Aryan practitioners of their own religion,
and are encouraged to recruit the former to the Aryanist
cause.[/quote]
HTML http://aryanism.net/religion/
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Re: Gospel of Thomas: Why Is It Not In the Bible?
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 22, 2020, 12:31 am
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"I just read the Wikipedia page for Gnosticism and it's filled
with statements saying it originated from Jewish thought and
Judaism. Can someone pease explain this to me? I thought
Gnosticism was supposed to oppose Judaism."
Gnosticism has no problem with the notion that Yahweh exists. If
belief in Yahweh's existence constitutes Jewish thought, then
Gnosticism obviously originated from Jewish thought.
This not only does not contradict Gnosticism's opposition to
Judaism, but it is a logical condition for it. Whereas Judaism
worships Yahweh, Gnosticism considers Yahweh is the enemy. But
how can we claim Yahweh is the enemy if we do not first believe
he exists?
[quote]Many of the Nag Hammadi texts make reference to Judaism,
in some cases with a violent rejection of the Jewish
God.[18][note 14] Gershom Scholem once described Gnosticism as
"the Greatest case of metaphysical anti-Semitism".[26] Professor
Steven Bayme said gnosticism would be better characterized as
anti-Judaism.[27][/quote]
This, basically.
"Is this the same Gnosticism Aryanism.net practices?"
[quote]A mythical story developed about the descent of a
heavenly creature to reveal the Divine world as the true home of
human beings.[68][/quote]
All anthropocentrists claiming to be Gnostics are lying.
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Re: Gospel of Thomas: Why Is It Not In the Bible?
By: christianbethel Date: October 22, 2020, 9:28 pm
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[quote]All anthropocentrists claiming to be Gnostics are
lying.[/quote]
You say this in relation to the quote about the Divine World
being the true home of humans, right? Is this because
anthropocentrists regard Earth, i.e. the flawed material world
as their true home? Where they can wrongfully lord over animals
and commit acts of tribalism?
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Re: Gospel of Thomas: Why Is It Not In the Bible?
By: guest5 Date: October 22, 2020, 10:02 pm
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[quote author=christianbethel link=topic=38.msg1699#msg1699
date=1603420133]
[quote]All anthropocentrists claiming to be Gnostics are
lying.[/quote]
You say this in relation to the quote about the Divine World
being the true home of humans, right? Is this because
anthropocentrists regard Earth, i.e. the flawed material world
as their true home? Where they can wrongfully lord over animals
and commit acts of tribalism?
[/quote]
Anthropocentricism = God made humans the rulers of the world and
the universe.
[quote]Anthropocentricism is the belief that human beings are
the most important entity in the universe. Anthropocentrism
interprets or regards the world in terms of human values and
experiences.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropocentrism[/quote]
[quote]Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you;
even as the green herb have I given you all things. — Genesis
9:3[/quote]
HTML http://aryanism.net/wp-content/uploads/anthro.png
Anthropocentrism: The Most Dangerous Ideology in the World
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYpjoEPwiUA&t=3s
Eileen Crist: Confronting Anthropocentrism
[quote]Eileen Crist, Ph.D. was one of 45 leading scholars,
authors and activists who convened at The Great Hall of Cooper
Union, New York City, on October 25-26, 2014, for the public
presentation: "Techno-Utopianism and the Fate of the Earth."
Speakers discussed the profound impacts—environmental, economic
and social—of runaway technological expansionism and cyber
immersion; the tendency to see technology as the savior for all
problems.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZkFj9uPKXo&t=2s
This would be more accurate if it was titled 'Western Man':
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfGMYdalClU
Gnosticism opposes Yahweh therefore also opposes
anthropocentricism by default considering Yahweh himself is
anthropocentric. Anthropocentricism is all about human ego.
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Re: Gospel of Thomas: Why Is It Not In the Bible?
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 22, 2020, 11:56 pm
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"You say this in relation to the quote about the Divine World
being the true home of humans, right? Is this because
anthropocentrists regard Earth, i.e. the flawed material world
as their true home? Where they can wrongfully lord over animals
and commit acts of tribalism?"
What I mean is that anyone who claims to be Gnostic but then
talks about a Divine World for humans only reveals that
salvation for non-humans isn't even part of their sphere of
concern, and therefore they reveal they are not truly Gnostic.
If it was Yahweh who imprisoned some spirits into human bodies
and imprisoned other spirits into non-human bodies, why should
we (as supposed enemies of Yahweh) respect distinctions set up
by Yahweh?
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