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Re: JEWS HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH US!
By: rp Date: June 14, 2021, 4:54 pm
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This guy understands why there is no such thing as an
"anti-Zionist Jew":
HTML https://twitter.com/DerorCurrency/status/1371972293459550211?s=19
[quote]
Even their "opposition" is driven by Judaism's "highest virtue":
self preservation. ie, they recognise the danger of the Jewish
State's actions causing blowback for those who do not wish to
emigrate. Pure two-faced self interest: Jewish 'prophecy' seeks
JWO outcome, by 'miracle'.
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Re: Re: JEWS HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH US!
By: rp Date: June 14, 2021, 11:58 pm
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Alas, the tweeter is a BS infectee:
HTML https://twitter.com/DerorCurrency/status/1312166782128406528?s=19
[quote]
I am a White man.
I am not ashamed of it.
Our ancestors' gullibility and cowardice gave us this mess.
Say it with me.
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Imagine bashing self-preservation and self interest in one
breath, and then embracing "white" identity in another
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Re: Re: JEWS HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH US!
By: SirGalahad Date: June 15, 2021, 12:23 am
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@rp I’m not so sure, actually. If he were a WN, why would he be
calling his ancestors cowardly and gullible? Depending on how
you interpret it, he could just be trolling the tribalists in
this thread. It’s kind of hard to pinpoint exactly what his
actual views are, because scrolling through his account, it’s
all basically critique of Jewishness. He doesn’t talk about much
else
Edit:
HTML https://twitter.com/DerorCurrency/status/1375947753751072768
Good news, he's not racist(?). Just very anti-Jewish
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Re: Re: JEWS HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH US!
By: rp Date: June 15, 2021, 12:32 am
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Ummm... I beg to differ:
HTML https://twitter.com/DerorCurrency/status/1301809992136159232?s=19
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Remarkable that the two groups responsible for ending slavery
and serfdom – Christian White Anglo-Europeans and Christian
Slavs – are those most hated and relentlessly vilified by those
who dominate the Western msm, and academic theorising and
propaganda on 'race' and 'identity'.
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If he is opposed to discriminating against those with light
skin, then that is fine. But to oppose those who oppose
"Whiteness" is different (the main reason being that "Whites"
don't even have white skin).
"Edit"
Okay, but he should have no problem with anti-"Whiteness" then.
#Post#: 7157--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: JEWS HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH US!
By: SirGalahad Date: June 15, 2021, 12:39 am
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Maybe this guy is a Jew aware neocon then? Because in the link
in my last comment, I don't get straight up WN vibes from him.
His usage of the word white is definitely problematic though
#Post#: 7158--------------------------------------------------
Re: Re: JEWS HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH US!
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 15, 2021, 2:58 am
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This guy reminds me of a type that was common back in the
mid-2000s before the old post-9/11 anti-Zionist movement split.
This type does not consider "non-whites" to be the outgroup, but
does consider "non-whites" to be incapable of posing a serious
threat to Jews, and hence that success or failure in defeating
Jewish domination will be determined solely by (non-Jewish)
"whites". They could be described as non-tribalist bigots (or,
in other words, not racist, but Eurocentric). It's not that they
don't care about the welfare of "non-whites", but that they
believe that (non-Jewish) "white" rule is genuinely better for
"non-whites". (They even told JAM that his contribution to the
fight against Jewish domination was due only to his "white"
blood!)
As such, they refused to discuss non-Jewish white supremacism
alongside Jewish supremacism as two manifestations of the same
problem. JAM put pressure on these types to start doing so,
which led to a debate in which JAM's side (including myself)
took the position that what Jews are trying hardest to suppress
is anti-racism that counts Jews as racists, whereas our
opponents took the position that what Jews are trying hardest to
suppress is white supremacism that does not count Jews as
"whites". This is what induced the BS splinter (following which
every last one of the previous non-tribalist bigots gradually
embraced tribalism, exactly as I predicted they would, though
they blamed their ideological shift on "ingratitude" from
"non-whites").
This guy, however, gives me the impression that he has been
living under a rock for over a decade and hence missed the
above-described events and is behaving as though it is still the
mid-2000s!
Aesthetic sense reveals all:
HTML https://twitter.com/DerorCurrency/status/1374873351403892737
According to him, I am a "master of inversion":
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/
Yet what kind of architecture do Jews themselves like?
HTML http://aryanism.net/blog/aryan-sanctuary/kristallnacht-tribute/
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Re: Re: JEWS HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH US!
By: rp Date: June 15, 2021, 11:25 am
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"This guy reminds me of a type that was common back in the
mid-2000s before the old post-9/11 anti-Zionist movement split.
"
This is exactly what came to my mind as well. There has been a
new generation of anti-Zionists who are becoming Jew-aware by
reading Christopher Bollyn, but who also promote BS Gentiles
such as Kevin MacDonald (Gentile) and Christopher Jon Bjerknes
(Jew) with the excuse of "providing multiple perspectives":
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/aryanism-vs-boromir-syndrome/msg2861/#msg2861
They also promote the "Jews are anti Edomites" narrative.
"It's not that they don't care about the welfare of
"non-whites", but that they believe that (non-Jewish) "white"
rule is genuinely better for "non-whites". They even told JAM
that his contribution to the fight against Jewish domination was
due only to his "white" blood!"
I see. So these might be the same type of people who would say
that the people on the human beauty page only look the way they
do because of alleged "White" blood, whereas the tribalist would
outright be opposed to our standards. They also would (due to
Eurocentrism) believe that "Whiteness" is good because "Whites"
are more "empathetic" (lol) whereas a tribalist such as David
Duke (Gentile) would not really believe this at all but would
only be promoting this myth to fool people like the tweeter and
naive "non-Whites".
"following which every last one of the previous non-tribalist
bigots gradually embraced tribalism, exactly as I predicted they
would,"
So are they worth the energy of ideological conversion? Or are
they simply not worth the energy as history has shown they will
inevitably embrace tribalism? As I mentioned in the previous
post, opposing discrimination against people with light skin is
fine. Even JAM condemned this. But opposing those who oppose
"Whiteness" is different.
"though they blamed their ideological shift on "ingratitude"
from "non-whites""
This is the impression I get from people like the tweeter. That
no matter how much a "non-White" says he condemns discrimination
against people on the basis of their skin color, people like the
tweeter will accuse them of being "anti-White". The irony is,
they will accuse non-Whites of doing exactly this! (I.e. they
will say to a "non-White", "no matter how much we oppose racism
against "non-Whites", it is not enough for you. You are
ungrateful." Of course those who expect "gratitude" in return
for simply being non-racist are merely showing their true
colors.)
"This guy, however, gives me the impression that he has been
living under a rock for over a decade and hence missed the
above-described events and is behaving as though it is still the
mid-2000s!"
Perhaps it could be because he is new to the scene? Recall I
mentioned earlier in the post that this may be the result of a
new generation becoming Jew-aware. These types are stuck in the
"information war" mindset that we have to "wake people up" to
Jewish power, and that those who are aware of Jewish power are
automatically better than those who are not, and hence this
means that "Whites" are better than "non-Whites" as there exist
more "Whites" than "non-Whites" who are aware of Jewish power.
In any case, becoming Jew-aware through the information war a
decade after it has ended is itself strange. In my case, for
example, I am also relatively "new" to the scene as I am young,
but I already knew that the Jew-aware scene had been corrupted
by seeing the emergence of identitarianism over the years. I was
able to see just how divisive the so-called "Jew-aware"
rightists were. So I sought out an ideology that was both
anti-Gentile and anti-Jew, which is how I found Aryanism, which
itself was merely a formal articulation of the views I already
had and also confirmed my intuition that National Socialism was
anti-racist (given my previous knowledge of authors such as VK
Clark). It wasn't until after reading Aryanism that I even
looked at the information war scene and the events that took
place during that era, whereupon I learned how the schism
formed.
So even if you don't know about what happened during the
information war era, you should at least be able to recognize
the ideological distinction between rightist "Jew-awareness" and
leftist Jew-awareness, which is now more pronounced than ever.
Unless of course, you are not an ideologist, but merely a
hobbyist whose intent is to merely "wake people up" to Jewish
power.
I recall on Aryanism you mentioned how the lack of an ideology
is precisely what resulted in the schism, as there was nothing
worth uniting for other than "we have to get rid of the Jews".
But why should we? Only anti-tribalism, with the motto of "Unity
through Nobility" will even make fighting Jewish power even
worth it.
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Re: Re: JEWS HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH US!
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 15, 2021, 11:49 pm
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"So these might be the same type of people who would say that
the people on the human beauty page only look the way they do
because of alleged "White" blood, whereas the tribalist would
outright be opposed to our standards."
I'm not sure that there is a correlation. After all, many
"non-whites" assume the same thing! And the assumption persists
irrespective of standards. In other words, a Eurocentrist who
likes robustness will assume that a "non-white" with robust
features got the robust features from a "white" ancestor,
whereas a Eurocentrist who likes gracility will also assume that
a "non-white" with gracile features got the gracile features
from a "white" ancestor. It is literally that insane.
"So are they worth the energy of ideological conversion?"
Compared to spending the same energy on what? If you are going
to be either trying to convert them or doing nothing, then
obviously I'd rather you try to convert them. But if you have
another project that you could be doing instead of converting
them, I'd have to know what the other project is.
"there exist more "Whites" than "non-Whites" who are aware of
Jewish power."
?
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Re: Re: JEWS HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH US!
By: rp Date: June 15, 2021, 11:55 pm
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"I'm not sure that there is a correlation. After all, many
"non-whites" assume the same thing! And the assumption persists
irrespective of standards. In other words, a Eurocentrist who
likes robustness will assume that a "non-white" with robust
features got the robust features from a "white" ancestor,
whereas a Eurocentrist who likes gracility will also assume that
a "non-white" with gracile features got the gracile features
from a "white" ancestor. It is literally that insane."
Yes. What I was trying to get at is that those Eurocentrists who
are not tribalists might at least possess some Aryan blood
memory as they like gracile features but merely believe them to
be the product of "White" blood, whereas a tribalist would not
even like gracile features to begin with. I was suggesting there
would be a correlation between the first category of people and
the people you mentioned, as they are not tribalists. I recall
you mentioned on the blog how Aryan blood immunizes one from
tribalism, but not necessarily from ethnocentrism.
"Compared to spending the same energy on what? If you are going
to be either trying to convert them or doing nothing, then
obviously I'd rather you try tol convert them. But if you have
another project that you could be doing instead of converting
them, I'd have to know what the other project is."
I should have rephrased: do you believe such types can even be
converted to begin with? I assume you would put them in the
"racelesss" category, correct?
And if they can be converted, I was thinking the same energy
could be better put to use converting non-Westerners to
Aryanism, for example by de-Judaizing Islam, and de-Turanizing
Hinduism.
"?"
What I meant to say is, they believe there are currently more
Jew-aware "Whites" than there are Jew aware "non-Whites", so
therefore "Whites" possess a greater threat to Jewry.
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Re: Re: JEWS HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON WITH US!
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 16, 2021, 12:25 am
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"those Eurocentrists who are not tribalists might at least
possess some Aryan blood memory as they like gracile features"
I myself have not observed such a pattern. In any case, the
initially non-tribalist Eurocentrists still liked
post-Renaissance Western architecture!
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