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#Post#: 3754--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: guest27
Date: January 28, 2021, 4:23 am
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> I don't understand this logic? If the initiator of violence
dies in a retaliatory strike does not the initiated violence end
with that individuals death? By destroying the initiator how
then can that individual ever initiate more violence?
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90sRF is talking about keeping the initiator in eternal hell,
merely redirecting violence, not killing him. Killing isn't
inherently violent; when it ends violence, it's nonviolent.
90sRF doesn't think we can end initiated violence, because it's
already been done, and I understand his logic, but that's normie
defeatist logic, not heroic against-all-odds logic.
And speaking of noble lions MIGHT I INTERJECT THAT JUNGLE
EMPEROR LEO IS THE SINGLE GREATEST CARTOON EVER! He's literally
a vegan lion enforcing veganism on his entire jungle (well, he
settles for letting the carnivores eat grasshoppers, but he's
doing his best, which is the true meaning of veganism) and
generally being utterly noble and heroic. They even start
growing crops. I recommend the original 60s version, plot and
character wise (I'm watching the '93 redub though). The New
Adventures has the best fight scenes though. The Lion King was
such a ripoff and non-heroic.
(and shoosh about anime not being cartoons)
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw_-mA0AtdE
#Post#: 3755--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: guest27
Date: January 28, 2021, 6:06 am
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
>
> "If one is oblivious to the true nature of what they're doing.
They aren't choosing to torture an animal. It's also possible a
cat is coerced by its instincts. When I watch a predator I'm not
sure it's 100% voluntary."
>
> You are in distinguished company:
>
--- End Quote ---
I'm not in the company of disingenuous pleas of insanity, if
that's what you're insinuating. If I were to ever go up against
the court for breaking a chicken farmer's neck I'd plead 100%
sanity. But if someone poisons me with Salvia Divinorum which
throws me into a deluded rage against a poor child whom I
tragically mistake for a White Nationalist, of course I'm
pleading insanity! What kind of monster punishes someone for
something they have no control or knowledge of? What of the
actual villain? I understand people can and do use this as an
excuse but you'd think we'd try to discern the liars from the
truthful and innocent.
That being said, no one should have to plea insanity, everyone
committing acts of violence should be presumed insane, and even
more insane the more intentional and unrepentant their act,
since they're all the more deluded and dangerous. Our current
model means the most aggressive and clever offenders are classed
as "sane" and merely punished (which only makes them more
violent) and released after "serving time", whereas the most
passive and flaky offenders are classed as "insane" and given
effective treatment and not released until and unless their
psychological condition is improved. This strikes me as a lazy
and cowardly way to deal with the former; if you can't properly
treat their criminality and redeem their life, then just kill
them and put us all out of their misery. On that note, in
accordance with universal compassion, the death penalty should
be reconceived as euthanasia; and it should probably be used a
lot more often.
#Post#: 3759--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: guest5
Date: January 28, 2021, 1:04 pm
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> 90sRF is talking about keeping the initiator in eternal hell,
merely redirecting violence, not killing him. Killing isn't
inherently violent; when it ends violence, it's nonviolent.
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90sRF would torture the perpetrator first, kill the perp, and
send the perp to hell early. Torture, death, and eternal
suffering. You know nothing of 90sRF and you clearly have not
read his writings.
Some offender would need to die before they go to hell. Your
logic still makes no sense to me.
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> What kind of monster punishes someone for something they have
no control or knowledge of?
--- End Quote ---
Nature punishes those who are often not aware of it's laws. So
do Jews:
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> According to some opinions, punishment is the same whether the
individual transgresses with knowledge of the law or is ignorant
of the law.
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Laws_of_Noah
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: guest27
Date: January 28, 2021, 1:32 pm
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--- Quote ---
> Some offender would need to die before they go to hell. Your
logic still makes no sense to me.
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If he's in hell he's still alive, just in a different state. You
didn't really kill him. Define death how you like, I'm only
interested in getting rid of my enemies once and for all, not
acting like them.
--- Quote ---
> Nature punishes those who are often not aware of it's laws. So
do Jews:
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Very true. We should not want to be like nature or Jews.
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: guest5
Date: January 28, 2021, 6:49 pm
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--- Quote ---
> Define death how you like, I'm only interested in getting rid
of my enemies once and for all, not acting like them.
--- End Quote ---
Any plans or solutions of how we get there, or, are you just
interested in semantics and word jugglery? I like hearing my own
voice too often, but I do it in private and I don't force it on
other people. Unlike most fantasies, your fantasies do not seem
to be based in reality at all.
If you truly wanted to get rid of all enemies once and for all
you would be advocating for a stop to all reproduction. I do not
see you doing this either? Infact, rather than actually fighting
any enemies you seem more concerned with staying in this thread
than actually helping us fight anyone. Interesting to say the
least....
Stop wasting our time moron!
#Post#: 3794--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: guest27
Date: January 29, 2021, 3:55 am
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--- Quote ---
> If you truly wanted to get rid of all enemies once and for all
you would be advocating for a stop to all reproduction. I do not
see you doing this either? Infact, rather than actually fighting
any enemies you seem more concerned with staying in this thread
than actually helping us fight anyone. Interesting to say the
least....
--- End Quote ---
I advocate Aryanization, veganism and antinatalism, among other
things. I'm definitely fighting enemies by arguing in this
thread. It's crucial our intentions are clear and honourable and
our ideology is palatable and coherent. You Aryanists seem to
have an awful lot of potential and Aryanism.net helped me
immensely on the spiritual and ideological front; maybe I can
return the favour. I thought Aryanism was perfect, but finally
talking to self-proclaimed Aryanists has been brutally
disappointing, there's something SERIOUSLY wrong here, but if
there's a slim shot at redemption I'll take it, otherwise I
promise to get out of your hair. I don't enjoy this in fact it's
stressful and scary but I appreciate the way you've carried
yourselves.
It's unethical to violently torture people no matter what and
it's a waste of time. Eternal hell is also an absurd, unethical
and impossible fantasy. If we focus on weeding out the root of
evil we'll surely defeat it. Fighting violence on the material
plane by freeing people of oppressive genetics, beliefs, and
situations and giving them the necessary tools of nonviolence
such as empathy, courage and Aryan metabolism. If we can't
ultimately achieve a perfect world we must destroy it for good,
ceasing reproduction and extincting life. Hell would perpetuate
imperfect material existence, whereas Heaven/Nirvana could see
it never spontaneously returning since the soul is permanently
detached.
#Post#: 3860--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: guest27
Date: January 31, 2021, 3:40 am
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--- Quote ---
> are you just interested in semantics and word jugglery? I like
hearing my own voice too often, but I do it in private and I
don't force it on other people.
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Also, what a pathetic argument ^
IT ISN'T "JUST SEMANTICS" WHEN THE WORLD IS AT STAKE
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#Post#: 3879--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: Ganbaru
Date: January 31, 2021, 8:59 pm
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--- Quote ---
> are you just interested in semantics and word jugglery?
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my thoughts exactly.
#Post#: 3892--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: guest27
Date: February 1, 2021, 2:06 am
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--- Quote from: Ganbaru link ---
>
> [quote]are you just interested in semantics and word jugglery?
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my thoughts exactly.
[/quote]
When was this ever even an argument about semantics? When has
this been about mere words? Do you people not take the concepts
we're debating here seriously? I wouldn't be surprised...
Edit: Alright, the fact you guys see this as "just
semantics/word jugglery" proves to me how little you actually
care about the concepts we're discussing.
I won't take any more of your time. I'm done with your
disgusting farce; your mockery of justice and heroism.
#Post#: 3910--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: Ganbaru
Date: February 2, 2021, 12:39 am
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"When was this ever even an argument about semantics? When has
this been about mere words? Do you people not take the concepts
we're debating here seriously? I wouldn't be surprised..."
You're not proposing anything concrete, only ranting about how
our ideology doesn't suit your worldview. We have a very precise
plan to end violence but when inquired about yours all you have
to say is cliches like "reclaiming innocence".
"Alright, the fact you guys see this as "just semantics/word
jugglery" proves to me how little you actually care about the
concepts we're discussing."
You're being inconsistent, you started out by saying that
natural methods are completely incompatible with your moral
compass but ended up agreeing that killing to end violence is
acceptable, but still don't want to hold individuals who
initiate violence accountable because of their biology. Who
should get killed then? Certainly not your own cruel cat? I
first became hostile because of your post rejecting natural
methods (and its implications for victims of initiated violence
like children, victims of rape by serial rapists, etc.), but now
I'm not even sure what I'm reading.
"I won't take any more of your time. I'm done with your
disgusting farce; your mockery of justice and heroism."
In my opinion, not believing in eternal punishment proves that
you lack sense of justice. Feel free to outline your plan and/or
prove its effectiveness in practice though.
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