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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: Ganbaru
Date: January 13, 2021, 3:23 pm
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I'm genuinely curious, concretely how are you planning to end
violence without ever retaliating? (besides using your time
machine)
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: guest27
Date: January 13, 2021, 4:45 pm
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--- Quote from: Ganbaru link ---
>
> I'm genuinely curious, concretely how are you planning to end
violence without ever retaliating? (besides using your time
machine)
>
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Retaliating doesn't end violence that's the thing, it just
returns it. When I look it up in the dictionary that's all it
means. Revenge. I first took it to mean fighting/resisting
against violence. And I wanted to do so with as little violence
as possible (which I now believe is NONE). But yous don't even
wanna fight violence you wanna fight PEOPLE.
Anyway yeah I fully agree that once violence has occurred that's
it, corrupt file (Wtf is even worth fighting for, then?). But I
don't recall ever capitulating. Whatever my body and mind
underwent, my spirit was always free and always will be. I've
gone back in time, revisited my memories, and as much as we'll
struggle against violence, because it contradicts the very core
of our being, we'll never allow it to actually occur on a
spiritual level (where it truly counts). I defend the immortal
dignity of the spirit, idc what anyone says.
This is what I mean by going back in time. Reclaiming innocence.
No machine necessary.
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: Ganbaru
Date: January 13, 2021, 5:58 pm
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it's unfortunate that you once considered our method but came to
abandon it, I previously considered persuasion to be superior
some time after my "maturation" but from a very young age I
always enjoyed playing fighting games while pretending that my
adversary was immoral individual. I appreciate the main site
because it helped me go back to my golden age.
I'd write the Jesus sword quote here but I'm too goofy to
remember it.
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: guest27
Date: January 14, 2021, 6:11 am
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--- Quote from: Ganbaru link ---
>
> it's unfortunate that you once considered our method but came
to abandon it, I previously considered persuasion to be superior
some time after my "maturation" but from a very young age I
always enjoyed playing fighting games while pretending that my
adversary was immoral individual. I appreciate the main site
because it helped me go back to my golden age.
>
--- End Quote ---
That's not a "method" and it certainly isn't unfortunate that I
don't want to perpetuate violence. I'm not saying persuasion >
fighting, either can be violent or nonviolent. And I want to
note I'm not saying my method is all that needs to be done, it's
just an affirmation, which actually frees our mobility to
practice whichever form of antiviolence feels just; confident in
its purity and effectiveness.
As for regarding certain people as "immoral" - I wouldn't call
the immoral "people", I wouldn't consider they have a soul to be
violated in the first place. And in fact if you really want to
insult and defeat someone, you cast them into the void, not
vicariously endure their suffering.
This is freedom/justice.
HTML https://images.app.goo.gl/QbCmbBakGt73Qjfj7
Not this.
HTML https://images.app.goo.gl/STdcJncSUMDAaGht5
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: Ganbaru
Date: January 14, 2021, 11:16 pm
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"That's not a 'method'"
I'm speaking about natural methods, which you said you once
believed in.
"and it certainly isn't unfortunate that I don't want to
perpetuate violence."
I think it is, for the victims of initiated violence.
I was going to ask you to elaborate on some other things you
said but since you didn't really answer my last question I think
I'll leave it at that lol
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: guest27
Date: January 15, 2021, 4:11 am
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> I'm speaking about natural methods, which you said you once
believed in.
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In other words, violent methods? I don't believe in them because
they're incongruent with ideal goals, which unlike 90sRetroFan,
is ending violence altogether, not reigning in Hell.
--- Quote ---
> I think it is, for the victims of initiated violence.
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This upsets me because people don't want to hurt others,
especially if they know how terrible violence is through
personal experience. What you're suggesting to "help" victims
(cruelty to others) is really just rubbing salt in their wounds
and creating more victims.
--- Quote ---
> I was going to ask you to elaborate on some other things you
said but since you didn't really answer my last question I think
I'll leave it at that lol
--- End Quote ---
Concretely how I plan to end violence, you mean? I gave the
ultimate, spiritual answer. If you want a complete, step by step
worldly method I'm afraid no one has the answer. But I certainly
believe in things like Aryanization and veganism; the struggle
is uniting people.
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 25, 2021, 12:27 am
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"My cat Kitara, whom I knew empathetically as an individual, was
absolutely pure-hearted, despite her actions by which you wish
to demonize her."
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> A cat will torture small animals for "fun".
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> My cats, among others, have tortured small animals.
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In summary, you think it is possible to torture small animals
for fun in a pure-hearted way, and to disagree is to demonize
the torturer.
"Those you deem as "deserving of hell" are likewise individuals
who never consented (and never would consent) to such a label."
Not likewise. Firstly, deserving hell is a judgement, not an
identification. Secondly, an individual has to choose to do
something before I decide they deserve hell. An individual
called a "cat" was not called a cat because of something they
chose to do. In fact, when humans decided to call a group of
individuals "cats", they were including future individuals which
had not yet even been born! I will never say someone who has not
yet been born deserves hell.
"Do you find this acceptable?"
It may be or it may not be, depending on who it is.
"Rather than rebelling, you're resigning to the conditions of
reality, despite disapproving of them. This is slave mentality."
No, slave mentality would be ceasing to disapprove in order to
feel more comfortable with the conditions of reality.
"This is freedom/justice.
HTML https://images.app.goo.gl/QbCmbBakGt73Qjfj7"
Now we also know you are a "300" fan.....
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: guest27
Date: January 25, 2021, 3:11 am
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> In summary, you think it is possible to torture small animals
for fun in a pure-hearted way, and to disagree is to demonize
the torturer.
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**If said torture is unintentional. If one is oblivious to the
true nature of what they're doing. They aren't choosing to
torture an animal. It's also possible a cat is coerced by its
instincts. When I watch a predator I'm not sure it's 100%
voluntary. Either way, it's no different morally than when we
were unwittingly fed animals as children, and so on.
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> No, slave mentality would be ceasing to disapprove in order to
feel more comfortable with the conditions of reality.
--- End Quote ---
If you truly disapproved, you wouldn't feel comfortable enough
with said conditions to tolerate them eternally.
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> Now we also know you are a "300" fan.....
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I don't know about the movie as a whole. You're really grasping
at straws to criticize me now.
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 28, 2021, 12:22 am
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"If one is oblivious to the true nature of what they're doing.
They aren't choosing to torture an animal. It's also possible a
cat is coerced by its instincts. When I watch a predator I'm not
sure it's 100% voluntary."
You are in distinguished company:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqRwI57_GPA
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: guest5
Date: January 28, 2021, 12:43 am
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> Retaliating doesn't end violence that's the thing, it just
returns it.
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I don't understand this logic? If the initiator of violence dies
in a retaliatory strike does not the initiated violence end with
that individuals death? By destroying the initiator how then can
that individual ever initiate more violence?
Clearly not all "cats" are the same either:
Lion Adopts Baby Antelope
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