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#Post#: 3018--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: Ganbaru
Date: December 23, 2020, 12:20 pm
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"But it doesn't matter what people look like to us. Because we
are not seeing with one eye open like most of the people here.
You are obsessed with the external which makes you ironically
similar to Jews/Gentiles in nature. And that is why you are
loosing. You are not our future. You are our past."
If you do not believe in eternal punishment, then you do not
live up to the standards of your phenotype and I feel sorry for
your jaw. We are diametrically opposed to our enemies in regards
to everything including looks, thanks to our idealism. You are
just revealing your racial inferiority and taking the easy
stance (like Emily, you probably seek to appease your
conscience, because you lack the will to do what is necessary
[lack in lightning values]). Such attitudes can only guarantee
the future of Israel, which means you would have no future at
all (except if you look forward to turning on/off Shabbos
lights).
I will not comment further, as I do not want to derail the
discussion.
#Post#: 3019--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: guest27
Date: December 23, 2020, 1:55 pm
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> You may not. But would you agree that an innocent victim who
does ask that deserves to have their request granted?
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How cruel it would be to subject an empathetic being to
another's suffering, eternally! I will not let pain coerce a
poor victim into monstrosity!
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> Nature rewards evil.
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Do the Noble favour "reward" over good?
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> They became guilty by their behaviour.
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You see wrong behaviour, and presume malice?
Dare to look your foe in the eyes while you tie his noose!!
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> The only way for salvation of all is if zero violence had ever
been initiated. But it's too late for that.
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#defeatism
At the very least I wish you would take being "against time"
literally.
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> Without hell, there could be no authentic heaven either.
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Pure, Unadulterated; Authentic Heaven™ | 100% Blissful
Ingredients
(may contain traces of hell)
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 23, 2020, 11:13 pm
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"I would have seen anyone wishing eternal punishment on other
mortals as inferior."
By not wishing eternal punishment on the initiator of violence,
you are wishing eternal punishment on the victim of that
violence. So it is more inferior to wish eternal punishment on
the aggressor or more inferior to wish eternal punishment on the
victim?
"Forgiveness following sincere repentence seems infinitely
superior to me."
Sincere repentance consists of voluntarily accepting eternal
punishment. Otherwise, what is sincere about it? It would simply
be a way to avoid being punished!
"I would veto an “innocent” victims request for eternal
punishment simply because their request is an inferior choice."
That would make you an oppressor of the victim in defence of the
aggressor.
Furthermore, how is it fair to those who do not initiate
violence to forgive those who do?
"I have done violent things during my life (according to our
broader meaning of violence), often while believing I was on the
side of truth or fairness."
Initiated violence or retaliatory violence? That makes all the
difference.
"To me, someone who has made mistakes while working to improve
the world and reduce violence is superior to someone who hides
from the world scared of getting their hands dirty. Yet by your
way of thinking, the latter goes to Heaven while the former is
punished for eternity."
I cannot judge until you tell me what those mistakes were.
(Also, someone who has no problem with retaliatory violence, but
who is only unable to initiate violence, cannot be described as
"scared of getting their hands dirty". To clarify, by my way of
thinking, such a person is superior to one who cannot do either
kind of violence.)
#Post#: 3049--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: guest5
Date: December 29, 2020, 4:03 pm
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Emily cannot understand because she has never been wronged by
another to the core of her being. Had Emily ever been brutally
raped or beaten herself she would most likely not feel the way
she does about punishment. Emily also cannot walk in other
peoples shoes because she cannot for the life of her imagine
what it is like to be brutally beaten or raped for no wrong
doing of her own. Emily also cannot put herself in the shoes of
a child whose 'child sacrifice' was botched by the witch doctor
performing the ritual and is now maimed for life, or in the
shoes of the Palestinian child who got shot by a sniper for just
trying to walk to school, etc.
Until someone does something terrible to Emily she will probably
never understand and by the time she does her understanding will
be drawn out of purely selfish reasons.
As far as the commentor Key888, you don't think we've heard your
type of mumbo-jumbo before? It's always the same with you types
of people. Basically: "You know nothing, you got it all wrong,
you're not pure, blah,blah,blah, our way is the truth and the
light, etc...", yet they can never offer good, simple, and
logical, solutions to any of the problems that this world faces,
nor do they ever have any proof to offer of work in that
direction that they themselves have accomplished. They usually
don't have a very well thought out ideology either....
#Post#: 3050--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: guest27
Date: December 29, 2020, 5:44 pm
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> Emily also cannot walk in other peoples shoes because she
cannot for the life of her imagine what it is like to be
brutally beaten or raped for no wrong doing of her own.
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You cannot imagine, because you're willing to tolerate violence,
the core of your being doesn't revolt against it, instead you
indulge in the idea of vengefully inflicting it, as if it's
something gratifying and not utterly horrendous. You're not
rescuing victims, you're just changing who's being victimized -
and withholding empathy for them.
Absolute suffering is still fresh in my mind from my episode of
hyperthyroidism a few years back; it was completely intolerable
and irreconcilable. I also see my worst nightmares happening
every day since I learned what humans do to animals. I'm very
sensitive, and I'm very good at putting myself in others' shoes
(particularly animals). I don't know how you find the time or
dopamine to fantasize about torturing 'enemies', how you can
entertain perpetuating hell rather than longing to simply end
it. To me this screams insensitivity and lack of idealism/moral
absolutism.
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: guest27
Date: December 30, 2020, 1:29 am
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> I cannot judge until you tell me what those mistakes were.
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A cat will torture small animals for "fun". Does he deserve
eternal torture? Would that make the mice happy?
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 30, 2020, 10:52 pm
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Firstly, cats are individuals. Talking about how "a" cat "will"
behave is as flawed as rightists talking about how "a" n_____
"will" behave.
Secondly, an individual cat sadist definitely deserves hell.
Otherwise it would be unfair to those who are not sadists:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdq3IA685go
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ikm3o5hDks
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnKmsSYijBc
etc.
#Post#: 3060--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: guest27
Date: December 31, 2020, 4:36 am
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> Firstly, cats are individuals. Talking about how "a" cat
"will" behave is as flawed as rightists talking about how "a"
n_____ "will" behave.
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You're right, I'll be specific - My cats, among others, have
tortured small animals.
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> Secondly, an individual cat sadist definitely deserves hell.
Otherwise it would be unfair to those who are not sadists:
--- End Quote ---
As a non-sadist, it's unfair to me that anyone's tortured.
The fact you'd torture cats really proves what a sick mindset
you have. Cats are just as naive, ingenuous and ultimately
blameless as children. Children too, and everyone in fact, have
occasional lapses in cognitive empathy, in spite of being
extremely caring and having boundless affective empathy.
Predators, psychopaths, and people with certain brain
injuries/conditions may suffer greater disability in this skill,
by no choice of their own.
In adult humans there's a higher chance they're intentionally
disabling their empathy, which says much worse for them as
people. This is what you're doing, to your "enemies". Even so,
I'm far too kind and brave to let my compassionate understanding
for people end here.
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: SirGalahad
Date: January 1, 2021, 9:27 pm
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@90sRetroFan So can I get you on record saying that the core
doctrine of Buddhism is false, or at the very least you consider
parts of it to be, since you're requiring the concept of an
eternal hell in Aryan religion, where there is none in Buddhism?
I've asked you to reconcile your views with Buddhist doctrine,
and all you could come up with was Avici, which is not intended
to be an eternal resting place. If this is how you view
Buddhism, which you're certainly entitled to do since I don't
have all the answers when it comes to religion myself, then you
might want to append your article on Buddhism before you
republish it. Because I don't know how you can expect Buddhists
who stumble upon your site and wish to join the movement, to
submit to a theological premise that doesn't make sense in the
context of Buddhism
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: SirGalahad
Date: January 1, 2021, 9:39 pm
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By the way, this isn't intended to be an attack on you, since I
know you've criticized Jainism and Platonism in the past, and
you take inspiration from Savitri Devi, who criticized
Akhenaten's views and methods in her own writings, despite the
level of admiration and praise she had for him. I'm just trying
to understand your position specifically
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