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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: SirGalahad
Date: December 21, 2020, 6:38 pm
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"The reason why we incorporate racial thinking is not in order
to shift blame away from individuals (as True Leftists we insist
on holding individuals accountable), but to emphasize that, on
top of punishing as harshly as possible individuals who initiate
violence (on this we are in closer agreement with the ancient
civilizations than anything modern, consistent with our broader
regressive worldview), we must out of caution prohibit their
descendants from reproducing in order to eliminate bloodlines
which have proven to facilitate initiation of violence (this
part is what we consider the ancient civilizations to have
neglected)."
You are contradicting yourself. My position is simply that
biology plays a significant role in behavior, and so blame
cannot solely be cast onto individuals themselves. People are
obviously capable of making choices (I'm not exactly a paragon
of Aryan genetics myself), but to assert that biology plays so
little a role in light of what we've observed of human history,
is weird to me. Clearly you already agree with me on this, or
else there would be no need for selective breeding in the first
place. Basically, when you refer to Ziobots and useful idiots, I
interpret it quite literally, because that's what they are.
Victims of the Demiurge and his illusion. I don't see people who
are destined to be doomed, and people destined to be saved. I
merely see a hierarchy, where certain people are much, much
farther from salvation than others, which by the way, is what
most Gnostic sects and Buddhists believe. As for what you
mentioned earlier, I'm willing to consider the Avici-style
quintillion years of punishment, because what I truly have an
issue with is the concept of eternal punishment, or even
annihilation. I can't imagine why God wouldn't seek the eventual
salvation of all, when all life derives from him. I'm not sure
how relevant the realm of Avici is to Buddhism, since as far as
I'm aware, it's found in sutras composed after the death of the
Buddha. But it's always a possibility
"You, on the other hand, are using racial thinking as a way to
provide individuals who initiate violence with an excuse for
their actions. This approach is fundamentally similar to that of
other False Leftists who use mental illness/poverty/unstable
home/etc. as excuses to get initiators of violence out of
punishment (a modern attitude)."
I'm not just making excuses. I differ from false leftists in
that I promote nature over nurture, whereas false leftists abide
by nurture over nature. To my knowledge, I have not encountered
a single leftist outside of aryanist circles that espouses the
idea of biology playing a role in racism or speciesism. They
also tend to be of the opinion that societal progress will
decrease racism and cause vegetarianism and veganism to rise,
which I absolutely do not believe. Just because I'm giving a
reason for the evil that people commit, that doesn't mean I
believe that there shouldn't be consequences for their actions.
Again, I do not agree at all with Emily's approach. I believe
that violence can only ever be stopped through violence.
#Post#: 3001--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 21, 2020, 11:12 pm
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"to assert that biology plays so little a role in light of what
we've observed of human history, is weird to me"
I do not assert that biology plays little role. Here is my
response to your question again:
--- Quote ---
> "How can it then be reasonably claimed that what someone does
in their lifetime is entirely determined by themselves?"
>
> It does not need to be entirely determined by themselves.
>
> "If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and
throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or
lame than to have two hands and two feet and be thrown into the
eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out
and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one
eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell."
- Jesus
>
> Those who do not do so are therefore claiming that everything
they do is determined by themselves rather than by their
biology, and therefore we should hold them to their own claim.
--- End Quote ---
The Jesus quote explicitly acknowledges that your biology could
be influencing you. It also recommends a response. Therefore
those who do not respond as recommended can no longer blame
their biology when they then go on to initiate violence.
"what I truly have an issue with is the concept of eternal
punishment, or even annihilation. I can't imagine why God
wouldn't seek the eventual salvation of all"
Because this is a logical impossibility. The moment you save an
aggressor from punishment, you resume punishing their victim.
The only way for salvation of all is if zero violence had ever
been initiated. But it's too late for that. Dealing with a world
where violence has been initiated, any quantity of time spent
not punishing the aggressor is time spent punishing the victim.
So unless you want to argue that the victim deserves to be
punished more, eternal punishment for the aggressor is a logical
necessity for a just solution.
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: SirGalahad
Date: December 22, 2020, 12:26 am
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I do not ask that someone who commits violence against me be
punished eternally, because I have no use for such a punishment.
It doesn’t undo the harm inflicted upon me, and it doesn’t
change the fact that the person committing the violence is a
victim trapped here as I am. What you’re preaching is completely
contrary to Buddhist doctrine, and it doesn’t make sense
considering one of the core tenets involves the fact that
there’s no such thing as a true, unchanging self or soul. You
couldn’t find a conception of an eternal hell in Buddhism,
because such a thing doesn’t exist. And besides, this is almost
more of a theological and philosophical difference than anything
to do with Aryanism as an ideology
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: SirGalahad
Date: December 22, 2020, 12:40 am
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“The Jesus quote explicitly acknowledges that your biology could
be influencing you. It also recommends a response. Therefore
those who do not respond as recommended can no longer blame
their biology when they then go on to initiate violence.”
If it’s as simple as choosing to be noble, then you’re just
promoting the typical nurture over nature view, with slightly
more nuance. Either biology plays a significant role and people
can’t entirely be held accountable (which, again, DOES NOT mean
that I believe there shouldn’t be consequences for their actions
during their lifetime), or it plays little to no role in the
grand scheme of things. I think that the concept of brainwashed
agents of the Demiurge, people trapped within samsara and Mara’s
grasp, whatever fanciful way you wanna phrase it, makes more
sense than eternal punishment or annihilation. I could at least
understand if eternal hell or annihilation were viewed as
unfortunate truths, but it appears that you see it as quite the
opposite
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: TheKey888
Date: December 22, 2020, 9:56 am
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--- Quote from: Emily link ---
>
> [quote]If someone is being brutally attacked, the
compassionate thing to do, would be to put an end to the
violence as quickly and as swiftly as possible.
--- End Quote ---
But were physical force appropriate I shouldn't believe it to be
truly "violent". If it did feel violent I shouldn't perform it
no matter the consequences or external pressures.
The fastest way to end violence is to reject its very notion,
not in contrived denial but total resistance.
--- Quote ---
> Also, it's strange that you quote Savitri Devi when she was
specifically for an "against time" approach, rather than simply
being "above time".
--- End Quote ---
Savitri admitted the despair and materialism inherent in
resorting to violence, and that those "above time" are saviours,
albeit in the purely spiritual sense.
"the salvation which the men “above Time” offer the world is
always that which consists in breaking the time-bondage. (...)
It is the salvation of the individual soul, never that of
organised society. For the men “above Time” know fully well that
that cannot be saved before the beginning of a new Time-cycle"
"The saviours in the worldly sense of the word — those who set
out to perfect not merely men’s souls but men’s collective life
and government, and international relations — are what we call
men “against Time.”
"It (the paradise-dream) was great and beautiful when it was the
product of the yearning, imagination and logic of such an artist
as Akhnaton. The time had not yet come when wise men of his
spiritual class would either, in despair, turn their backs to
all manifestations in Time and choose the way of renunciation,
or else, fight with the weapons of violence against the downward
current of history — “against Time” — also in despair."
"the world was not yet ripe — not yet corrupt enough; not yet
visibly enough lost, — for a wise man, inspired with the dream
of earthly Perfection, i.e. with the dream of harmony between
earth and Cosmos, to feel himself “cornered” and, either to call
every manifestation in Time a thing of sin and sorrow and to
seek for Perfection in escape from the conditions of fallen
life, through inner discipline, or else, to stick to this world
as to his home, and to fight the increasing effects of Time in
the advanced Dark Age, and establish a State “against Time,”
[/quote]
My dear girl.
Know that your heart is in the right place. But that you are
making poor choices here. There is a purpose for you in the
existence. Whether it be preset or not you will come to know it
over time. But this is not the place for you.
Hopefully you will hear us inside and find us here on earth.
We will be waiting for your answer. You only have to find us.
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: TheKey888
Date: December 22, 2020, 10:04 am
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
>
> "Nobody should be held accountable for what they do while in
the prison house of matter"
>
> Then you are on the side of injustice.
>
> "because they just as easily could have been someone noble
during their lifetime."
>
> So the people who bothered to be noble in practice are no
better those who did not just because the latter "could have
been"?
>
> If so, why not do it the other way round? Everyone also could
have been someone ignoble during their lifetime. Why not punish
noble people because they could have been ingoble?
>
> "People who commit violence are victims of the Demiurge and
its creation"
>
> They were victims when they were subjected to initiated
violence (starting with being born). They became the Demiurge's
allies when they began initiating violence on others.
>
> "like everyone else."
>
> But again, some victims behaved better than other victims. Yet
you are saying that those who behaved better deserve to be
treated no differently than those who behaved worse. How is that
fair?
>
> "If a hell does exist, I'm of the opinion that God certainly
wouldn't wish it on anyone,"
>
> I would prefer no one existed who deserves hell. But I wish
everyone who does deserve hell to be thrown into it.
>
> "and eventual salvation is on the table even for those who are
subject to hell."
>
> The moment someone who deserves hell is taken out, their
victims are effectively put in hell instead, as injustice will
have resumed. Is that what you want?
>
> And one more thing: one reason why the forces of the Demiurge
want to perpetually keep the material world going is in order to
indefinitely delay the arrival of the time when they will be
thrown into hell. It would be accurate to describe their
salvation as being ongoing right now (and potentially endless so
long as they keep winning). As such, why would you give them
another salvation on top of the one they are already continually
constructing (using more and more initiated violence to do so,
by the way)?
>
--- End Quote ---
English is not my first language but I'll do my best…
Emily is too good for your ideology. As soon as she comes to
realise that she will be on the correct path.
I've watched you people for over a year now. I read everything
you post here and on Aryanism.net and it is painstakingly
hypocritical to say the least. But mostly a real shame because
almost have everything correct. Racism is a problem but going by
your overly selective nature you are not and will never be the
answer to that problem. WE know what must be done. WE know how
to handle this situation. And within the next sixteen years you
will eventually cross paths with us. It would be nice to meet as
brothers but judging by your current stance on things I don't
think that will be possible.
There is true goodness in this world. It is very much alive and
well. But you clearly are not the pure people you present
yourselves as. You know about as much about god as a plumber
knows about a blocked toilet. There is most definitely judgement
after this life. But depending on where you end up lies strictly
on your choices. But what is certifiable is that eternal
damnation is not and will never be a real thing in existence.
Be thankful for that.
Because the true mother and father of existence are here on
earth with their son. Their son being one you refer to as 'God'.
And his son being the one you refer to as 'Christ'.
About the family of TKOH:
We are not xenophobic towards anyone or anything that is
innocent. We understand that LGBT terminology
was created to divide people into groups by the enemy.
We endorse Veganism.
We do not endorse humanism.
Having started our existence as mortal beings without souls, we
died for your right to exist along with many other races in
existence. Those we died for were the ones who brought eternal
life or what is properly defined as timeless life into
existence. It was always going to be an evolutionary outcome in
one way or another. Spiritual life itself, was born of pure
blood. (Aryan blood) We were chosen by those we saved to be the
timeless gods. We came here to set the record straight once and
for all. We are not responsible for your actions because your
consciousness is completely separate to our own. We can only
judge based on what we experience from above and on earth.
We do not endorse Judaism, Christianity or Islam on earth on in
TKOH. (Religions that are not our creation, but that mix our
truth with lies. We have no problem with Wiccans.) Vile
creations like Allah, were brought into this world to deny the
real mother and father. Islam and christianity have stolen
scripture from us and we are here to reclaim what is rightly
ours.
You will never meet peace on this earth through Judaism, Islam
or Christianity. We are your only true salvation. Time on earth
is your greatest judge. And time will prove us right.
We are not leftists or rightists. Such a concept in itself is
just another pathetic us versus them mentality.
We are all that has ever been and all that ever will be. The
centre of what freedom lies upon.
We do not deny people of Jewish heritage the right to reproduce.
(Or any other race for that matter.) Because we know how reality
REALLY works. Blood memory is not at all what you think it is.
Goodness roots from consciousness. (The soul) It far transcends
the imperfect nature of this reality. If you know anything about
evolution you will understand this.
No life is a mistake in our eyes. If you treat other people like
they are nothing, they will deny you a name and title. That is
retaliation in its strictest form.
You have the choice to rest for eternity or to live for
eternity. Nothing is forced upon you. After a timeless rest you
will awake to a new life, completely separate to the former. You
can wake up with the knowledge of you once were or with no
memory if the former life was too painful. Some people need to
reset to heal. But you are always you. You also have the choice
to return to this world if it is your wish.
You will have the ability to do whatever you want with your
heavenly body. Advanced vision, flight, and much more. You will
all receive your own personal kingdom of heaven. Heaven itself
is a huge kingdom with no psychical boundaries. Inside this
kingdom are many kingdoms. Much like an apartment complex. You
can create and enter into any world you have ever desired. Even
if it is an exact copy of this world. (Not that I would
personally want to relive that.) You will never be forced to
re-incarnate back into this world which is the closest thing to
hell there is.
We did not place anyone on this earth against their will.
Humanity and every other living thing, including this planet
ended up here through evolution. Just like the soul itself. (God
has origins.) We came here to be with you for the next sixteen
years until the day of judgement arrives.
Everyone who has ever truly sinned will be made accountable for
what they have done in this life and the next. A good percentage
of things humans have done throughout history are not decided
from the root of their consciousness but from an outside
influence. Whether that be another human being or a force that
infiltrates the consciousness, only we can truly determine where
the choice emanates from. Thus we are the timeless judges of
existence. We use the power of simulation to show evil people
the consequences of what they have done. It will vary from
person to person but the results speak for themselves. If you
cannot feel, you must learn to feel. If you do not change over
time then segregation is needed until you do.
We believe in defence against REAL threats. We do not believe in
putting faith solely on weapons. We have only sixteen years to
go so…Just be ready for the greatest judgement of all.
We see the ugliness in western civilisation.
We are not cosmo-theists. And judging by what you people are
teaching. You are only a step above WN's and ZC's.
We do not endorse people who wish to take the problems of this
world and extend them into outer space.
We are here to settle things on earth and create a new system
that will enable every human being to live with respect for
their life and no longer be a slave to any former system that
seeks to deny them basic needs. This is only temporary as
someday people will be leaving this reality for TKOH. We are
here to create a balance until then. Not too different to where
you people allegedly stand on things.
Words of the mother and father:
''Those who find us will find themselves.''
''True wisdom can never be truly written for it can only be
truly lived.''
''We died for your right to ascension. Those who live by our
example will rightfully ascend.'' (Within your own personal
kingdom in TKOH you will be your own god for eternity. But you
must earn this.)
''I am but a tiny star safe within you. For you are my timeless
existence.''
''Timeless love, life, rest and family.'' (You have a choice
upon your death! Something that would never have been under such
a god as Allah or the false representation of Christ.)
''The kingdom of heaven is a tree with many branches. We are the
timeless roots.''
''My presence is with you through all. Those who love me, will
know my pain, those who hate me will know my sorrow. And those
who harm my children will feel my wrath.''
''My love of you could change a thousand worlds.''
''My womb holds the world safe within, as I am held safe within
the arms of our father existence.''
(Everything has a root and a purpose. Nobody stands alone. The
want to belong is natural.)
''The holiest soul has no fixed character, only nobility.''
(Gender is non existant in spirit.''
''Your smile lights up the world.''
''Pain is brief, sorrow is long, our love of our children is
timeless.''
''Out of the darkness he arrived, like a father to a lost child
whose cries were finally heard.'' (Evolved as a family to all
that has ever been and all that ever will be. All of existence
will return to us. We are the only ones who will NEVER betray
you!)
Glad I could clear all that up.
We will all meet as friends some day. I'll leave you with this.
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: Ganbaru
Date: December 22, 2020, 10:32 pm
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--- Quote from: TheKey888 link ---
>
> Emily is too good for your ideology.
>
--- End Quote ---
false-left backup trooper going in strong with the
keyboard-assisted oral defecation
you probably have a big jaw anyways
#Post#: 3010--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 22, 2020, 11:18 pm
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"I do not ask that someone who commits violence against me be
punished eternally"
You may not. But would you agree that an innocent victim who
does ask that deserves to have their request granted?
"I could at least understand if eternal hell or annihilation
were viewed as unfortunate truths, but it appears that you see
it as quite the opposite"
Eternal hell is unfortunate compared to the hypothetical
existence in which zero violence was ever initiated by anyone.
On the other hand, given that initiated violence has already
occurred, eternal hell for the initiators is the only adequate
compensation. Without hell, there could be no authentic heaven
either.
#Post#: 3014--------------------------------------------------
Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: Flutter60Hz
Date: December 23, 2020, 3:32 am
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The idea of eternal punishment, or eternal anything, has always
disgusted me. Likewise, I would have seen anyone wishing eternal
punishment on other mortals as inferior. Forgiveness following
sincere repentence seems infinitely superior to me. I would veto
an “innocent” victims request for eternal punishment simply
because their request is an inferior choice. This does not mean
forgiveness must be achieved on Earth, or that I am against
“harsh” punishments.
Perhaps part of my view comes from the fact that I do not
believe in innocence on Earth. I have done violent things during
my life (according to our broader meaning of violence), often
while believing I was on the side of truth or fairness. I am
thankful for the main site which showed me (or, reminded me!) of
why what I did and promoted was violent. If you have never made
a violent decision and think I am just projecting here, good for
you. Either you are a divine super-Jesus-like being buried on an
obscure forum for some bizarre reason, or you are merely a
sheltered and arrogant theorist. I would guess the latter.
Kindness to others must be active, and doing things in the real
world often leads to difficult decisions which tempt violent
(again, in our use of the word) choices.
To me, someone who has made mistakes while working to improve
the world and reduce violence is superior to someone who hides
from the world scared of getting their hands dirty. Yet by your
way of thinking, the latter goes to Heaven while the former is
punished for eternity.
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Re: Ideal Methods > Natural Methods
DIR By: Trina Hall
Date: December 23, 2020, 9:27 am
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--- Quote from: Ganbaru link ---
>
> [quote author=TheKey888 link=topic=345.msg3006#msg3006
date=1608653061]
> Emily is too good for your ideology.
>
--- End Quote ---
false-left backup trooper going in strong with the
keyboard-assisted oral defecation
you probably have a big jaw anyways
[/quote]
Hello there! Fellow False-Left Backup Trooper here. ;)
We are not Jews/Gentiles. We are not White either, and we have
oval faces and small jaws.
But it doesn't matter what people look like to us. Because we
are not seeing with one eye open like most of the people here.
You are obsessed with the external which makes you ironically
similar to Jews/Gentiles in nature. And that is why you are
loosing. You are not our future. You are our past.
We are fighting for a better, cleaner and in the truest sense,
more Holy world. We are what you could only dream of being.
We are ready and we not afraid of your deceitful kind.
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