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       Re: True Left breakthrough: non-economic explanations
   DIR By: antihellenistic
       Date: June 11, 2026, 4:46 am
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       The only inequality that can be supported is inequality where
       the highest is the one that best understands the community and
       is sensitive to it, and has the right solutions to the forms of
       oppression that occur. Hitler already said this in the past.
       "True Left" requires a move away from egalitarian views,
       including an egalitarian view of existing social classes.
       --- Quote ---
       > In his speech on 8 November 1938 on the anniversary of the
       putsch, Hitler again contrasted the lower classes with the
       intellectuals. What he said here makes it particularly clear why
       Hitler considered the working class to be the most valuable
       support for the party and concentrated his efforts on gaining
       the workers:
       >
       > And it was readily understandable that this party would
       primarily gain supporters from among those who were not so much
       blessed by fortune, particularly from among the broad masses of
       the people. Naturally, because there more instinct still rules,
       and out of instinct comes faith, whereas our upper ten thousand
       are forever critics out of their intellectuality. They are
       partially of no use at all as building blocks for a national
       community, not even today ... Intellectuality, which runs about
       in the minds of these tens of thousands of specimens, sometimes
       looks at the problems a little bit interested, maybe even
       stimulated, but otherwise always with critical reticence. Maybe
       it will all turn out differently – who knows? To sacrifice
       oneself for an ideal, commit oneself to an ideal, that is
       completely foreign to these people; they do not know that. And
       they also do not like that at all, and the exceptions only
       confirm the rule. Therefore they are also completely worthless
       as building blocks for such a national community. Because they
       are not bearers of the faith, they are not unshakeable; above
       all they are not persevering in moments of difficulty and
       danger. 276
       >
       > In the light of what we have discussed so far, it is quite
       clear that it was also not an attempt to curry favour with his
       audience when Hitler declared in the same vein in a speech to
       workers on 14 November 1940:
       >
       > You can believe me, my national comrades, I would not have
       this trust if I only possessed knowledge about the upper ten
       thousand. I did not enter into political life only with this
       knowledge. My knowledge is based above all on the German people,
       on the German worker, on the German farmer, on this mass of
       millions of good, small, faithful people, who are not as
       vacillating and as calculating as our so-called upper ten
       thousand. If all I had known had been these, you can rest
       assured that I would never have gone into political life. With
       those you cannot even lure a dog from behind the stove. I
       entered into political life with my knowledge of the broad
       masses. I have always placed my trust in this broad mass; with
       it I built up my party, and I am convinced that with this broad
       mass I will also survive this struggle.277
       >
       > That Hitler was serious and really did think in this way is
       not only deducible from the background of his Weltanschauung but
       is also confirmed by the fact that in his conversations with his
       entourage and in his table talks he frequently expressed himself
       in a similar vein. After a conversation with Hitler, Goebbels,
       for example, noted in his diary on 25 July 1940:
       >
       > He speaks with contempt about the upper circles. There is not
       much for us to be got there. We must always remain with the
       people. He recounts examples from the history of the movement,
       how he had once spoken in the Berlin National Club and only the
       cloakroom attendants had understood him.278 [Goebbels, Diaries,
       SF, vol. 4, p. 252, entry for 25 July 1940.]
       > ...
       > According to a report by Koeppen, he declared on 4 October
       1941:
       >
       > The broad mass was the most appreciative audience, which
       really goes along in its primitive emotions while distinguishing
       itself by a stability which is proof against almost any
       pressure, whereas the intellectuals vacillate back and forth. He
       himself had been made to feel this during the time of struggle,
       in a positive sense by the faithfulness of his adherents, and in
       a negative sense by the clinging of the broad masses to the
       Social Democrats and the Zentrum in elections, even though there
       had never been a government which imposed on its voters as
       strongly as this one did.281 [Koeppen Notes, report No 40 of 4
       October 1941, lunch.]
       >
       > On 8 April 1942, in a table talk, Hitler again looked back to
       the time of struggle of the NSDAP:
       >
       > At the beginning of my political work I set the motto that it
       was not important to gain the bourgeoisie – which only desired
       law and order and was cowardly in its political position – but
       to fire the working class with enthusiasm for my ideas. All of
       the early years of the time of struggle had therefore been
       designed to gain the worker for the NSDAP.
       > ...
       >
       > In his table talks Hitler expressed his respect for the
       working class. These statements are of particular interest when
       we contrast them with the contemptuous remarks about the
       bourgeoisie. In one such talk, for example, Hitler said, ‘Class
       prejudices can no longer be upheld at a time when the
       proletariat consists of such valuable people as is often the
       case today!’287 [Monologues, p. 237, entry for 27 January 1942.]
       >
       > On another occasion he said that England had a wonderful
       selection of people in its upper classes, whereas the lower
       classes there were ‘dirt’. In Germany it was the other way
       around, because here ‘the section through the lower classes of
       the population is particularly pleasing’. All one needed do to
       ascertain this was to go and have a look at the German workers
       in the Wilhelmshaven shipyard, and then the workers from all the
       other countries in Europe at the Wilhelmshaven No 4 port
       entrance.288 [Picker, p. 183, entry for 3 April 1942.]
       --- End Quote ---
       Source :
       Hitler's National Socialism by Dr. Rainer Zitelmann Page 243
       until 246
  HTML https://ia800701.us.archive.org/32/items/adolf-hitler-archive/Hitler%27s%20National%20Socialism%202022.pdf
       --- Quote ---
       > The Führer was very pleased with Bayreuth. Happy to have heard
       music again after so long. And what a fantastic audience!
       Tactful, enthusiastic, and understanding. In contrast, our upper
       classes are unbearable, dull-witted, and inflexible. This is
       evident in everything. Even in the entry of the Berlin Division.
       The Kurfürstendamm remained completely unaffected. The Jews must
       be removed. From Berlin altogether. And then we must create a
       better supply situation for Berlin. The Führer is giving me
       orders to do so. The entry of the Berlin Division pleased the
       Führer very much in the film.
       >
       > He speaks with contempt of the upper classes. There's not much
       for us to gain there. We must always stay close to the people.
       He recounts examples from the history of the movement, like when
       he spoke at the Berlin National Club and only the cloakroom
       attendants understood him.
       --- End Quote ---
       -  Adolf Hitler's View of the Upper Class, recorded in the diary
       of Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels, July 25, 1940
       Source :
       Die Tagebücher von Joseph Goebbels Im Auftrag des Instituts für
       Zeitgeschichte und mit Unterstützung des Staatlichen
       Archivdienstes Rußlands Herausgegeben von Elke Fröhlich Teil I
       Aufzeichnungen 1923-1941 Band 8 April - November 1940 Bearbeitet
       von Jana Richter K • G Saur München 1998 Page 236
       From writings :
       25. Juli 1940
       ZAS-Originale: 67 Zeilen Gesamtumfang, 67 Zeilen erhalten.
       ZAS-Mikrofiches (Glasplatten): 67 Zeilen erhalten.
       ...
       Der Führer war sehr zufrieden mit Bayreuth. Glücklich, seit so
       langem wieder mal Musik gehört zu haben. Und dieses
       Volkspublikum! Taktvoll, begeisterungsfähig und verständnisvoll.
       Dagegen sind unsere besseren Kreise unerträglich, stumpfsinnig
       und unbeweglich. Das zeigt sich in allem so. Auch beim Einzug
       der Berliner Division. Der Kurfürstendamm blieb davon gänzlich
       unberührt. Da müssen die Juden heraus. Überhaupt aus Berlin. Und
       dann müssen wir für Berlin eine bessere Versorgungslage
       schaffen. Der Führer gibt mir Auftrag dazu. Der Einzug der
       Berliner Division hat dem Führer im Film sehr gut gefallen
       Er spricht mit Verachtung von den höheren Kreisen. Dort ist für
       uns nicht viel zu holen. Wir müssen immer beim Volke bleiben. Er
       erzählt Beispiele aus der Geschichte der Bewegung, wie er damals
       im Berliner Nationalen Club redete und nur die Garderobenfrauen
       ihn verstanden
       If you still use Hitler as the inspiration for your worldview,
       why not join in looking down on the "upper class" ?
       #Post#: 32727--------------------------------------------------
       Re: True Left breakthrough: non-economic explanations
   DIR By: 90sRetroFan
       Date: June 11, 2026, 6:30 pm
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       "If you still use Hitler as the inspiration for your worldview,
       why not join in looking down on the "upper class" ?"
       In Hitler's words:
       --- Quote ---
       > There are three ways of settling the social question. The
       > privileged class rules the people. The insurgent proletariat
       > exterminates the possessing class. Or else a third formula
       gives
       > each man the opportunity to develop himself according to his
       > talents.
       --- End Quote ---
       You advocate the second way (communism). Hitler advocated the
       third:
       --- Quote ---
       > Class prejudices can't be maintained in a socially advanced
       > State like ours
       --- End Quote ---
       --- Quote ---
       > it is intolerable that the members of a class should
       > suppose that they alone are competent to hold certain
       functions.
       --- End Quote ---
       --- Quote ---
       > it's a
       > matter of breaking down the partitions between classes, so as
       to
       > enable every man to rise.
       --- End Quote ---
       --- Quote ---
       > whereas the British Public Schools were open only to
       > the children of the upper classes, our own schools were open
       to
       > everybody, regardless of social distinction
       --- End Quote ---
       --- Quote ---
       > The Party must see to it, on the other
       > hand, that society is not compartmentalised, so that everyone
       > can quickly assert his gifts. Otherwise discontent raises its
       > head, and the Jew finds himself in just the right situation to
       > exploit it. It's essential that a balance should be struck, in
       > such a way that dyed-in-the-wool Conservatives may be
       > abolished as well as Jewish and Bolshevik anarchists.
       --- End Quote ---
       In other words, you (a Bolshevik) should be abolished.
       Other Hitler quotes:
       --- Quote ---
       > England couldn't live if its ruling class were to disappear.
       > Things would go utterly wrong for the common people. They
       > can't even feed themselves. Where would one try to find a
       > peasantry? In the working class?
       --- End Quote ---
       --- Quote ---
       > The French upper classes usually spend two or three months
       > in the country and thus acquire an affection for the land, the
       > political importance of which must not be overlooked.
       --- End Quote ---
       See also:
  HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/re-national-socialists-were-socialists-3223/msg31781/?topicseen#msg31781
       #Post#: 32730--------------------------------------------------
       Re: True Left breakthrough: non-economic explanations
   DIR By: antihellenistic
       Date: June 12, 2026, 9:45 am
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       I will try to organize the collection of Hitler's private
       conversation notes in the "table talk" book that you just
       presented.
       Quote 1 :
       --- Quote ---
       > There are three ways of settling the social question. The
       > privileged class rules the people. The insurgent proletariat
       > exterminates the possessing class. Or else a third formula
       gives
       > each man the opportunity to develop himself according to his
       > talents.
       --- End Quote ---
       [22nd February 1942] [Page 328]
       Then you argue that:
       You advocate the second way (communism). Hitler advocated the
       third:
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       Quote 2 :
       --- Quote ---
       > Class prejudices can't be maintained in a socially advanced
       State like ours
       --- End Quote ---
       [27th January 1942] [Page 255]
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       Quote 3 :
       --- Quote ---
       > it is intolerable that the members of a class should suppose
       that they alone are competent to hold certain functions.
       --- End Quote ---
       [27th-28th July 1941] [Page 17]
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       Quote 4 :
       --- Quote ---
       > it's a matter of breaking down the partitions between classes,
       so as to enable every man to rise.
       --- End Quote ---
       [20th February 1942] [Page 335]
       ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
       Quote 5 :
       --- Quote ---
       > whereas the British Public Schools were open only to
       > the children of the upper classes, our own schools were open
       to
       > everybody, regardless of social distinction
       --- End Quote ---
       [12th April 1942] [Page 429]
       ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
       Quote 6 :
       --- Quote ---
       > The Party must see to it, on the other
       > hand, that society is not compartmentalised, so that everyone
       > can quickly assert his gifts. Otherwise discontent raises its
       > head, and the Jew finds himself in just the right situation to
       > exploit it. It's essential that a balance should be struck, in
       > such a way that dyed-in-the-wool Conservatives may be
       > abolished as well as Jewish and Bolshevik anarchists.
       --- End Quote ---
       [27th January 1942] [Page 255]
       Then you argue that:
       In other words, you (a Bolshevik) should be abolished.
       ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
       Other Hitler quotes:
       Quote 7 :
       --- Quote ---
       > England couldn't live if its ruling class were to disappear.
       > Things would go utterly wrong for the common people. They
       > can't even feed themselves. Where would one try to find a
       > peasantry? In the working class?
       --- End Quote ---
       [5th November 1941] [Page 117]
       ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
       Quote 8 :
       --- Quote ---
       > The French upper classes usually spend two or three months
       > in the country and thus acquire an affection for the land, the
       > political importance of which must not be overlooked.
       --- End Quote ---
       [21st July 1942] [Page 583 until 584]
       You quote Hitler's ideas, expressed in his "Table Talk," about
       the concept of social society, from July 27-28, 1941, November
       5, 1941, January 27, 1942, February 20, 1942, February 22, 1942,
       April 12, 1942, and July 21, 1942.
       Source :
       Hitler's Table Talk, 1941-1944 : His Private Conversations by
       Hitler, Adolf, 1889-1945
  HTML https://archive.org/details/hitlerstabletalk0000hitl/page/n3/mode/2up
       Most of Hitler's remarks in the "table talk" you quoted
       demonstrate his desire for capacity building not only for the
       upper class, but also for the lower working class. Furthermore,
       Hitler cited the example of the French upper class, who tended
       to own small, well-maintained houses in the countryside. If they
       visited them regularly, they would easily become acquainted with
       the other classes. Hitler believed that a good upper class was
       one bound by the interests of the state.
       The "upper class" Hitler wanted to replace was the bourgeoisie,
       whom he considered "lacking the energy" and will to change the
       situation, and tending to preserve the established order and
       law. Hitler wanted them replaced by people with strong "faith"
       and "loyalty," who, according to Hitler, tended to come from the
       physical working class, not the intellectuals and capitalist
       class (the bourgeoisie). Hitler wanted to end the divisions
       between the economic classes in Germany by forcing people from
       the middle class (tending to be intellectuals) and the
       bourgeoisie to participate in physical labor in the fields,
       factories, and other places to prevent them from viewing the
       working class as "inferior".
       --- Quote ---
       > The miner, however, was and would remain ‘the élite among the
       German working class’, because he was shaped internally and
       externally by a profession which still today was tied to a high
       risk and was only suited to people who had hardness and
       determination and were also inwardly prepared to overcome
       substantial dangers. Therefore everything had to be done ‘so
       that the miner also received the national recognition which was
       his due’, and, as soon as there was peace again, one would have
       to take special care for the improvement of the standard of
       living of this particularly state-supporting class of the
       population.289 Not only in public but also in his private circle
       Hitler maintained, as on 25 August 1942, that the only class
       which had understood him, and in particular his economic policy,
       had been the workers.290
       --- End Quote ---
       Source :
       Hitler’s National Socialism by Dr. Rainer Zitelmann Page 247
  HTML https://dn760005.eu.archive.org/0/items/adolf-hitler-archive/Hitler%27s%20National%20Socialism%202022.pdf
       --- Quote ---
       > We are marching in a rapid step toward turbulent times. The
       tempo requires men of determined toughness, and not weakly
       Philistines. It will not judge people according to the
       superficial manners of society, but according to the quality and
       toughness of their character in times of heavy burdens.
       >
       > Now more than before, it is the Party’s task to ensure that
       hard views are established in our Volk and that above all a
       relentless war be declared on every trace of that pitiful
       cleverness Clausewitz castigated as the worst symptom of
       cowardice. We are approaching great historic periods; in courses
       of time such as these, pure cleverness has never triumphed, but
       invariably brave courage. Above all, the Party must embody the
       optimism we National Socialists know so well.
       >
       > Every fault can be overcome, and its manifestations are easier
       to eliminate than pessimism and its consequences.
       >
       > Let him beware who has no faith. He is committing a sin
       against the meaning of life as a whole. He is of no use for
       anything, and his existence will be nothing but a burden to his
       Volk.
       >
       > In the course of my political struggle-and unfortunately I
       must stress this again-it was particularly in bourgeois circles
       that I encountered these sorry pessimists who, in their pitiful
       state, are incapable of any faith whatsoever and hence could not
       be used for any redeeming action. And even today I often meet
       them.
       >
       > I have but one question I must confront them with: What would
       have happened to Germany had an unknown soldier not had the
       faith in 1919 that he would one day be able to rescue the German
       nation from its demise by steadfastness and dedication, by
       bravery and a willingness to sacrifice? What did Germany rescue
       after all? Was it the pessimism of these petty carpers, these
       pitiful doubters, these invariable despondent defeatists? Or was
       it not the unshakeable confidence that the eternal qualities of
       our Volk would win out against the inferior and the burdensome?
       No! It was the miracle of faith that rescued Germany.
       --- End Quote ---
       Adolf Hitler, 14th September 1936
       Source :
       1. 14 September 1936 - Adolf Hitler - two speeches. (2026).
       Der-Fuehrer.Org.
  HTML https://der-fuehrer.org/reden/english/36-09-14.htm
       2. Hitler's National Socialism by Dr. Rainer Zitelmann Page 188
  HTML https://dn760005.eu.archive.org/0/items/adolf-hitler-archive/Hitler%27s%20National%20Socialism%202022.pdf
       --- Quote ---
       > In the education of our youth, one thing must not be
       overlooked: no other form of training instills an open
       perspective and an ideal attitude toward manual labor like work
       in a blast furnace, a steel mill, or a tank factory—that is, in
       the production of iron, regardless of whether it involves
       weapons manufacturing or mechanical engineering. Every time he
       walked through the Krupp factory in Essen (September 27, 1937,
       with Mussolini), this always came back to him. Because the
       workers there, both in their outward appearance and inwardly,
       were true authority figures. He had made the same observation on
       the occasion of the launch of the ship "Tirpitz" at the
       Wilhelmshaven naval yard. How many handsome, dignified men with
       a regal, aristocratic bearing and honest pride in their faces he
       had seen among the workers who had contributed to this great
       project at the shipyard and were now gathered for the launch.
       When, after the launch, he inspected the construction work on
       the fourth harbor entrance at Wilhelmshaven and happened to pass
       a group of foreign workers, he was struck by how poorly these
       foreigners looked compared to our German workers and how
       disheveled they were.
       --- End Quote ---
       - Adolf Hitler, May 20, 1942
       Source :
       Hitler, monologue on 20 May 1942, in Hitlers Tischgespräche im
       Führerhauptquartier, ed. Henry Picker (Frankfurt: Ullstein,
       1989), Pages 314-315.
  HTML https://archive.org/details/hitlers-tischgespraeche/page/314/mode/2up
       From writings :
       Bei der Erziehung unserer mainnlichen Jugend diirfe man aber
       eines nicht auBer acht lassen, daB nimlich keine Ausbildung der
       Jugend einen so aufgeschlossenen Blick und eine so ideale
       Einstellung zur Handarbeit vermittle als die Tatigkeit im
       Hochofenwerk, im Stahlwerk oder im Panzerwerk, also in der
       Eisenproduktion, ganz egal, ob es sich nun um Waffenherstellung
       oder um Maschinenbau handle. Wenn er durch die Krupp-Werke in
       Essen (27. September 1937 zusammen mit Mussolini) gehe, komme
       ihm dies stets von neuem zum BewuBtsein. Denn die Arbeiter dort
       seien ihrer auBeren und inneren Haltung nach wahre
       Herrenerscheinungen. Die gleichen Feststellungen habe er
       anlaBlich des Stapellaufs der »Tirpitz« auf der Wilhelmshavener
       Marinewerft machen kénnenW.ie viele schéne, stattliche Menschen
       mit einer souveranen, adligen Haltung und ehrlichem Stolz im
       Gesicht habe er unter den Arbeitern gesehen, die auf der Werft
       an diesem groBen Werk mitgeschafft hatten und nun zum Stapellauf
       angetreten waren. Als er nach dem Stapellauf die Arbeiten am Bau
       der vierten Hafeneinfahrt in Wilhelmshaven besichtigt habe und
       bei der Gelegenheit an einer Fiille von auslindischen Arbeitern
       vorbeigekommen sei, sei es ihm geradezu aufgefallen, wie sehr
       diese Auslander gegen unsere deutschen Arbeiter abfielen und was
       fiir ein Gesocks sie seien.
       --- Quote ---
       > Until now research has not recognized that Hitler's economic
       convictions, most notably his convictions concerning the
       superiority of a system of a planned over a free economy, were
       decisively shaped by his impressions of the superiority of the
       Soviet economic system. Hitler's admiration for the Soviet
       system is also confirmed in the notes of Wilhelm Scheidt, who as
       adjutant to Hitler's “representative for military history”
       Walther Scherff and a member of the führer's headquarters group
       had close contact with Hitler and sometimes even took part in
       the “briefings.” Scheidt notes (quoted in Zitelmann 2022, 302)
       that Hitler underwent a “conversion to Bolshevism.”
       --- End Quote ---
       Source :
       Rainer Zitelmann. (2022). Hitler’s Attitude toward Market and
       Planned Economy, Private Property, and Nationalization. Journal
       of Libertarian Studies, 26(1).
  HTML https://jls.mises.org/article/37757-hitler-s-attitude-toward-market-and-planned-economy-private-property-and-nationalization
       The bourgeoisie and the middle class must be fought!
       #Post#: 32731--------------------------------------------------
       Re: True Left breakthrough: non-economic explanations
   DIR By: 90sRetroFan
       Date: June 12, 2026, 4:12 pm
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       "The bourgeoisie and the middle class must be fought!"
       Thank you for maintaining your class prejudice which is what
       Quote 2 forbade:
       --- Quote ---
       > Class prejudices can't be maintained in a socially advanced
       State like ours
       --- End Quote ---
       proving you do not belong in a socially advanced forum like this
       one.
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