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Re: True Left breakthrough: non-economic explanations
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: June 11, 2026, 4:46 am
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The only inequality that can be supported is inequality where
the highest is the one that best understands the community and
is sensitive to it, and has the right solutions to the forms of
oppression that occur. Hitler already said this in the past.
"True Left" requires a move away from egalitarian views,
including an egalitarian view of existing social classes.
--- Quote ---
> In his speech on 8 November 1938 on the anniversary of the
putsch, Hitler again contrasted the lower classes with the
intellectuals. What he said here makes it particularly clear why
Hitler considered the working class to be the most valuable
support for the party and concentrated his efforts on gaining
the workers:
>
> And it was readily understandable that this party would
primarily gain supporters from among those who were not so much
blessed by fortune, particularly from among the broad masses of
the people. Naturally, because there more instinct still rules,
and out of instinct comes faith, whereas our upper ten thousand
are forever critics out of their intellectuality. They are
partially of no use at all as building blocks for a national
community, not even today ... Intellectuality, which runs about
in the minds of these tens of thousands of specimens, sometimes
looks at the problems a little bit interested, maybe even
stimulated, but otherwise always with critical reticence. Maybe
it will all turn out differently – who knows? To sacrifice
oneself for an ideal, commit oneself to an ideal, that is
completely foreign to these people; they do not know that. And
they also do not like that at all, and the exceptions only
confirm the rule. Therefore they are also completely worthless
as building blocks for such a national community. Because they
are not bearers of the faith, they are not unshakeable; above
all they are not persevering in moments of difficulty and
danger. 276
>
> In the light of what we have discussed so far, it is quite
clear that it was also not an attempt to curry favour with his
audience when Hitler declared in the same vein in a speech to
workers on 14 November 1940:
>
> You can believe me, my national comrades, I would not have
this trust if I only possessed knowledge about the upper ten
thousand. I did not enter into political life only with this
knowledge. My knowledge is based above all on the German people,
on the German worker, on the German farmer, on this mass of
millions of good, small, faithful people, who are not as
vacillating and as calculating as our so-called upper ten
thousand. If all I had known had been these, you can rest
assured that I would never have gone into political life. With
those you cannot even lure a dog from behind the stove. I
entered into political life with my knowledge of the broad
masses. I have always placed my trust in this broad mass; with
it I built up my party, and I am convinced that with this broad
mass I will also survive this struggle.277
>
> That Hitler was serious and really did think in this way is
not only deducible from the background of his Weltanschauung but
is also confirmed by the fact that in his conversations with his
entourage and in his table talks he frequently expressed himself
in a similar vein. After a conversation with Hitler, Goebbels,
for example, noted in his diary on 25 July 1940:
>
> He speaks with contempt about the upper circles. There is not
much for us to be got there. We must always remain with the
people. He recounts examples from the history of the movement,
how he had once spoken in the Berlin National Club and only the
cloakroom attendants had understood him.278 [Goebbels, Diaries,
SF, vol. 4, p. 252, entry for 25 July 1940.]
> ...
> According to a report by Koeppen, he declared on 4 October
1941:
>
> The broad mass was the most appreciative audience, which
really goes along in its primitive emotions while distinguishing
itself by a stability which is proof against almost any
pressure, whereas the intellectuals vacillate back and forth. He
himself had been made to feel this during the time of struggle,
in a positive sense by the faithfulness of his adherents, and in
a negative sense by the clinging of the broad masses to the
Social Democrats and the Zentrum in elections, even though there
had never been a government which imposed on its voters as
strongly as this one did.281 [Koeppen Notes, report No 40 of 4
October 1941, lunch.]
>
> On 8 April 1942, in a table talk, Hitler again looked back to
the time of struggle of the NSDAP:
>
> At the beginning of my political work I set the motto that it
was not important to gain the bourgeoisie – which only desired
law and order and was cowardly in its political position – but
to fire the working class with enthusiasm for my ideas. All of
the early years of the time of struggle had therefore been
designed to gain the worker for the NSDAP.
> ...
>
> In his table talks Hitler expressed his respect for the
working class. These statements are of particular interest when
we contrast them with the contemptuous remarks about the
bourgeoisie. In one such talk, for example, Hitler said, ‘Class
prejudices can no longer be upheld at a time when the
proletariat consists of such valuable people as is often the
case today!’287 [Monologues, p. 237, entry for 27 January 1942.]
>
> On another occasion he said that England had a wonderful
selection of people in its upper classes, whereas the lower
classes there were ‘dirt’. In Germany it was the other way
around, because here ‘the section through the lower classes of
the population is particularly pleasing’. All one needed do to
ascertain this was to go and have a look at the German workers
in the Wilhelmshaven shipyard, and then the workers from all the
other countries in Europe at the Wilhelmshaven No 4 port
entrance.288 [Picker, p. 183, entry for 3 April 1942.]
--- End Quote ---
Source :
Hitler's National Socialism by Dr. Rainer Zitelmann Page 243
until 246
HTML https://ia800701.us.archive.org/32/items/adolf-hitler-archive/Hitler%27s%20National%20Socialism%202022.pdf
--- Quote ---
> The Führer was very pleased with Bayreuth. Happy to have heard
music again after so long. And what a fantastic audience!
Tactful, enthusiastic, and understanding. In contrast, our upper
classes are unbearable, dull-witted, and inflexible. This is
evident in everything. Even in the entry of the Berlin Division.
The Kurfürstendamm remained completely unaffected. The Jews must
be removed. From Berlin altogether. And then we must create a
better supply situation for Berlin. The Führer is giving me
orders to do so. The entry of the Berlin Division pleased the
Führer very much in the film.
>
> He speaks with contempt of the upper classes. There's not much
for us to gain there. We must always stay close to the people.
He recounts examples from the history of the movement, like when
he spoke at the Berlin National Club and only the cloakroom
attendants understood him.
--- End Quote ---
- Adolf Hitler's View of the Upper Class, recorded in the diary
of Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels, July 25, 1940
Source :
Die Tagebücher von Joseph Goebbels Im Auftrag des Instituts für
Zeitgeschichte und mit Unterstützung des Staatlichen
Archivdienstes Rußlands Herausgegeben von Elke Fröhlich Teil I
Aufzeichnungen 1923-1941 Band 8 April - November 1940 Bearbeitet
von Jana Richter K • G Saur München 1998 Page 236
From writings :
25. Juli 1940
ZAS-Originale: 67 Zeilen Gesamtumfang, 67 Zeilen erhalten.
ZAS-Mikrofiches (Glasplatten): 67 Zeilen erhalten.
...
Der Führer war sehr zufrieden mit Bayreuth. Glücklich, seit so
langem wieder mal Musik gehört zu haben. Und dieses
Volkspublikum! Taktvoll, begeisterungsfähig und verständnisvoll.
Dagegen sind unsere besseren Kreise unerträglich, stumpfsinnig
und unbeweglich. Das zeigt sich in allem so. Auch beim Einzug
der Berliner Division. Der Kurfürstendamm blieb davon gänzlich
unberührt. Da müssen die Juden heraus. Überhaupt aus Berlin. Und
dann müssen wir für Berlin eine bessere Versorgungslage
schaffen. Der Führer gibt mir Auftrag dazu. Der Einzug der
Berliner Division hat dem Führer im Film sehr gut gefallen
Er spricht mit Verachtung von den höheren Kreisen. Dort ist für
uns nicht viel zu holen. Wir müssen immer beim Volke bleiben. Er
erzählt Beispiele aus der Geschichte der Bewegung, wie er damals
im Berliner Nationalen Club redete und nur die Garderobenfrauen
ihn verstanden
If you still use Hitler as the inspiration for your worldview,
why not join in looking down on the "upper class" ?
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Re: True Left breakthrough: non-economic explanations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 11, 2026, 6:30 pm
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"If you still use Hitler as the inspiration for your worldview,
why not join in looking down on the "upper class" ?"
In Hitler's words:
--- Quote ---
> There are three ways of settling the social question. The
> privileged class rules the people. The insurgent proletariat
> exterminates the possessing class. Or else a third formula
gives
> each man the opportunity to develop himself according to his
> talents.
--- End Quote ---
You advocate the second way (communism). Hitler advocated the
third:
--- Quote ---
> Class prejudices can't be maintained in a socially advanced
> State like ours
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> it is intolerable that the members of a class should
> suppose that they alone are competent to hold certain
functions.
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> it's a
> matter of breaking down the partitions between classes, so as
to
> enable every man to rise.
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> whereas the British Public Schools were open only to
> the children of the upper classes, our own schools were open
to
> everybody, regardless of social distinction
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> The Party must see to it, on the other
> hand, that society is not compartmentalised, so that everyone
> can quickly assert his gifts. Otherwise discontent raises its
> head, and the Jew finds himself in just the right situation to
> exploit it. It's essential that a balance should be struck, in
> such a way that dyed-in-the-wool Conservatives may be
> abolished as well as Jewish and Bolshevik anarchists.
--- End Quote ---
In other words, you (a Bolshevik) should be abolished.
Other Hitler quotes:
--- Quote ---
> England couldn't live if its ruling class were to disappear.
> Things would go utterly wrong for the common people. They
> can't even feed themselves. Where would one try to find a
> peasantry? In the working class?
--- End Quote ---
--- Quote ---
> The French upper classes usually spend two or three months
> in the country and thus acquire an affection for the land, the
> political importance of which must not be overlooked.
--- End Quote ---
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Re: True Left breakthrough: non-economic explanations
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: June 12, 2026, 9:45 am
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I will try to organize the collection of Hitler's private
conversation notes in the "table talk" book that you just
presented.
Quote 1 :
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> There are three ways of settling the social question. The
> privileged class rules the people. The insurgent proletariat
> exterminates the possessing class. Or else a third formula
gives
> each man the opportunity to develop himself according to his
> talents.
--- End Quote ---
[22nd February 1942] [Page 328]
Then you argue that:
You advocate the second way (communism). Hitler advocated the
third:
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Quote 2 :
--- Quote ---
> Class prejudices can't be maintained in a socially advanced
State like ours
--- End Quote ---
[27th January 1942] [Page 255]
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Quote 3 :
--- Quote ---
> it is intolerable that the members of a class should suppose
that they alone are competent to hold certain functions.
--- End Quote ---
[27th-28th July 1941] [Page 17]
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Quote 4 :
--- Quote ---
> it's a matter of breaking down the partitions between classes,
so as to enable every man to rise.
--- End Quote ---
[20th February 1942] [Page 335]
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Quote 5 :
--- Quote ---
> whereas the British Public Schools were open only to
> the children of the upper classes, our own schools were open
to
> everybody, regardless of social distinction
--- End Quote ---
[12th April 1942] [Page 429]
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Quote 6 :
--- Quote ---
> The Party must see to it, on the other
> hand, that society is not compartmentalised, so that everyone
> can quickly assert his gifts. Otherwise discontent raises its
> head, and the Jew finds himself in just the right situation to
> exploit it. It's essential that a balance should be struck, in
> such a way that dyed-in-the-wool Conservatives may be
> abolished as well as Jewish and Bolshevik anarchists.
--- End Quote ---
[27th January 1942] [Page 255]
Then you argue that:
In other words, you (a Bolshevik) should be abolished.
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Other Hitler quotes:
Quote 7 :
--- Quote ---
> England couldn't live if its ruling class were to disappear.
> Things would go utterly wrong for the common people. They
> can't even feed themselves. Where would one try to find a
> peasantry? In the working class?
--- End Quote ---
[5th November 1941] [Page 117]
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Quote 8 :
--- Quote ---
> The French upper classes usually spend two or three months
> in the country and thus acquire an affection for the land, the
> political importance of which must not be overlooked.
--- End Quote ---
[21st July 1942] [Page 583 until 584]
You quote Hitler's ideas, expressed in his "Table Talk," about
the concept of social society, from July 27-28, 1941, November
5, 1941, January 27, 1942, February 20, 1942, February 22, 1942,
April 12, 1942, and July 21, 1942.
Source :
Hitler's Table Talk, 1941-1944 : His Private Conversations by
Hitler, Adolf, 1889-1945
HTML https://archive.org/details/hitlerstabletalk0000hitl/page/n3/mode/2up
Most of Hitler's remarks in the "table talk" you quoted
demonstrate his desire for capacity building not only for the
upper class, but also for the lower working class. Furthermore,
Hitler cited the example of the French upper class, who tended
to own small, well-maintained houses in the countryside. If they
visited them regularly, they would easily become acquainted with
the other classes. Hitler believed that a good upper class was
one bound by the interests of the state.
The "upper class" Hitler wanted to replace was the bourgeoisie,
whom he considered "lacking the energy" and will to change the
situation, and tending to preserve the established order and
law. Hitler wanted them replaced by people with strong "faith"
and "loyalty," who, according to Hitler, tended to come from the
physical working class, not the intellectuals and capitalist
class (the bourgeoisie). Hitler wanted to end the divisions
between the economic classes in Germany by forcing people from
the middle class (tending to be intellectuals) and the
bourgeoisie to participate in physical labor in the fields,
factories, and other places to prevent them from viewing the
working class as "inferior".
--- Quote ---
> The miner, however, was and would remain ‘the élite among the
German working class’, because he was shaped internally and
externally by a profession which still today was tied to a high
risk and was only suited to people who had hardness and
determination and were also inwardly prepared to overcome
substantial dangers. Therefore everything had to be done ‘so
that the miner also received the national recognition which was
his due’, and, as soon as there was peace again, one would have
to take special care for the improvement of the standard of
living of this particularly state-supporting class of the
population.289 Not only in public but also in his private circle
Hitler maintained, as on 25 August 1942, that the only class
which had understood him, and in particular his economic policy,
had been the workers.290
--- End Quote ---
Source :
Hitler’s National Socialism by Dr. Rainer Zitelmann Page 247
HTML https://dn760005.eu.archive.org/0/items/adolf-hitler-archive/Hitler%27s%20National%20Socialism%202022.pdf
--- Quote ---
> We are marching in a rapid step toward turbulent times. The
tempo requires men of determined toughness, and not weakly
Philistines. It will not judge people according to the
superficial manners of society, but according to the quality and
toughness of their character in times of heavy burdens.
>
> Now more than before, it is the Party’s task to ensure that
hard views are established in our Volk and that above all a
relentless war be declared on every trace of that pitiful
cleverness Clausewitz castigated as the worst symptom of
cowardice. We are approaching great historic periods; in courses
of time such as these, pure cleverness has never triumphed, but
invariably brave courage. Above all, the Party must embody the
optimism we National Socialists know so well.
>
> Every fault can be overcome, and its manifestations are easier
to eliminate than pessimism and its consequences.
>
> Let him beware who has no faith. He is committing a sin
against the meaning of life as a whole. He is of no use for
anything, and his existence will be nothing but a burden to his
Volk.
>
> In the course of my political struggle-and unfortunately I
must stress this again-it was particularly in bourgeois circles
that I encountered these sorry pessimists who, in their pitiful
state, are incapable of any faith whatsoever and hence could not
be used for any redeeming action. And even today I often meet
them.
>
> I have but one question I must confront them with: What would
have happened to Germany had an unknown soldier not had the
faith in 1919 that he would one day be able to rescue the German
nation from its demise by steadfastness and dedication, by
bravery and a willingness to sacrifice? What did Germany rescue
after all? Was it the pessimism of these petty carpers, these
pitiful doubters, these invariable despondent defeatists? Or was
it not the unshakeable confidence that the eternal qualities of
our Volk would win out against the inferior and the burdensome?
No! It was the miracle of faith that rescued Germany.
--- End Quote ---
Adolf Hitler, 14th September 1936
Source :
1. 14 September 1936 - Adolf Hitler - two speeches. (2026).
Der-Fuehrer.Org.
HTML https://der-fuehrer.org/reden/english/36-09-14.htm
2. Hitler's National Socialism by Dr. Rainer Zitelmann Page 188
HTML https://dn760005.eu.archive.org/0/items/adolf-hitler-archive/Hitler%27s%20National%20Socialism%202022.pdf
--- Quote ---
> In the education of our youth, one thing must not be
overlooked: no other form of training instills an open
perspective and an ideal attitude toward manual labor like work
in a blast furnace, a steel mill, or a tank factory—that is, in
the production of iron, regardless of whether it involves
weapons manufacturing or mechanical engineering. Every time he
walked through the Krupp factory in Essen (September 27, 1937,
with Mussolini), this always came back to him. Because the
workers there, both in their outward appearance and inwardly,
were true authority figures. He had made the same observation on
the occasion of the launch of the ship "Tirpitz" at the
Wilhelmshaven naval yard. How many handsome, dignified men with
a regal, aristocratic bearing and honest pride in their faces he
had seen among the workers who had contributed to this great
project at the shipyard and were now gathered for the launch.
When, after the launch, he inspected the construction work on
the fourth harbor entrance at Wilhelmshaven and happened to pass
a group of foreign workers, he was struck by how poorly these
foreigners looked compared to our German workers and how
disheveled they were.
--- End Quote ---
- Adolf Hitler, May 20, 1942
Source :
Hitler, monologue on 20 May 1942, in Hitlers Tischgespräche im
Führerhauptquartier, ed. Henry Picker (Frankfurt: Ullstein,
1989), Pages 314-315.
HTML https://archive.org/details/hitlers-tischgespraeche/page/314/mode/2up
From writings :
Bei der Erziehung unserer mainnlichen Jugend diirfe man aber
eines nicht auBer acht lassen, daB nimlich keine Ausbildung der
Jugend einen so aufgeschlossenen Blick und eine so ideale
Einstellung zur Handarbeit vermittle als die Tatigkeit im
Hochofenwerk, im Stahlwerk oder im Panzerwerk, also in der
Eisenproduktion, ganz egal, ob es sich nun um Waffenherstellung
oder um Maschinenbau handle. Wenn er durch die Krupp-Werke in
Essen (27. September 1937 zusammen mit Mussolini) gehe, komme
ihm dies stets von neuem zum BewuBtsein. Denn die Arbeiter dort
seien ihrer auBeren und inneren Haltung nach wahre
Herrenerscheinungen. Die gleichen Feststellungen habe er
anlaBlich des Stapellaufs der »Tirpitz« auf der Wilhelmshavener
Marinewerft machen kénnenW.ie viele schéne, stattliche Menschen
mit einer souveranen, adligen Haltung und ehrlichem Stolz im
Gesicht habe er unter den Arbeitern gesehen, die auf der Werft
an diesem groBen Werk mitgeschafft hatten und nun zum Stapellauf
angetreten waren. Als er nach dem Stapellauf die Arbeiten am Bau
der vierten Hafeneinfahrt in Wilhelmshaven besichtigt habe und
bei der Gelegenheit an einer Fiille von auslindischen Arbeitern
vorbeigekommen sei, sei es ihm geradezu aufgefallen, wie sehr
diese Auslander gegen unsere deutschen Arbeiter abfielen und was
fiir ein Gesocks sie seien.
--- Quote ---
> Until now research has not recognized that Hitler's economic
convictions, most notably his convictions concerning the
superiority of a system of a planned over a free economy, were
decisively shaped by his impressions of the superiority of the
Soviet economic system. Hitler's admiration for the Soviet
system is also confirmed in the notes of Wilhelm Scheidt, who as
adjutant to Hitler's “representative for military history”
Walther Scherff and a member of the führer's headquarters group
had close contact with Hitler and sometimes even took part in
the “briefings.” Scheidt notes (quoted in Zitelmann 2022, 302)
that Hitler underwent a “conversion to Bolshevism.”
--- End Quote ---
Source :
Rainer Zitelmann. (2022). Hitler’s Attitude toward Market and
Planned Economy, Private Property, and Nationalization. Journal
of Libertarian Studies, 26(1).
HTML https://jls.mises.org/article/37757-hitler-s-attitude-toward-market-and-planned-economy-private-property-and-nationalization
The bourgeoisie and the middle class must be fought!
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Re: True Left breakthrough: non-economic explanations
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: June 12, 2026, 4:12 pm
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"The bourgeoisie and the middle class must be fought!"
Thank you for maintaining your class prejudice which is what
Quote 2 forbade:
--- Quote ---
> Class prejudices can't be maintained in a socially advanced
State like ours
--- End Quote ---
proving you do not belong in a socially advanced forum like this
one.
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