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#Post#: 32652--------------------------------------------------
The rise of Boromir Syndrome?
DIR By: antizion
Date: May 25, 2026, 4:51 pm
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Something I've noticed is that the far-right is becoming more
critical of Israel, superficially of-course.
Antizionism is a left-wing thing, and they're stealing &
corrupting our talking points.
I hate how BS-Gentiles are outvoicing authentic anti-zionism.
(I feel promoting Boromir Syndrome is a Zionist ploy to silence
anti-zionist.)
How do we combat this?
Example of a BS-type pretending to promote unity (note this
person used to harass Rashida Tlaib):
HTML https://i.ibb.co/4gdNZ26K/rdh0nf6jswng1.webp
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Re: The rise of Boromir Syndrome?
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: May 25, 2026, 7:55 pm
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"they're stealing & corrupting our talking points."
They're actually stealing False Left talking points, not ours.
For example, in your posted tweet MTG says:
--- Quote ---
> we are now a nation divided between those who want to fight
wars for Israel and those who just want peace and to be able to
afford our bills and health insurance
--- End Quote ---
Our position, in contrast, is that we want to fight wars against
Israel, even if it means less money for domestic projects. So
no, there are three camps:
1) Zionist interventionism;
2) non-interventionism;
3) anti-Zionist interventionism.
We need to constantly emphasize that True Leftism is about 3),
not 2).
Also, rightist criticism of Israel is not criticism of Israel
for being an ethnostate, as they themselves want ethnostates for
non-Jewish "whites". We, in contrast, not only criticize Israel
for being an ethnostate, but for we criticize all ethnostates
simultaneously.
We need to constantly emphasize policy similarity (e.g. on
immigration) between rightist critics of Israel and Israel
itself.
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Re: The rise of Boromir Syndrome?
DIR By: antizion
Date: July 5, 2026, 6:51 am
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HTML https://i.ibb.co/Pvm0Jd9J/bs-rise.png
More and more rightoids are disliking Israel.
The Zionist Jew in the last reply said that he hates immigrants,
yet Gentile rightoids still don't get it. ::)
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Re: The rise of Boromir Syndrome?
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 5, 2026, 5:12 pm
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Some Zionist arguments can actually be used against BS types.
For example, many Zionists accurately argue that what Israel is
doing to Palestinians etc. is no worse than what was done by
colonial-era "whites" to various indigenous peoples, so anyone
calling for Israeli territory to be given back to Palestinians
etc. should similarly call for territory in the US, Australia,
Russia, etc. to be given back in order to be consistent. No BS
does so, obviously. But this is precisely what we have always
called for:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/russia-the-last-colonial-empire/msg13916/#msg13916
As early as the OWNP days, one item in the manifesto explicitly
stated that vast quantities of US territory would be returned to
the descendants of their pre-colonial owners. As soon as the
manifesto was released, this very item came under attack from
supposed rightist "anti-Zionists". This event was what prompted
me to coin the term "Boromir Syndrome" to begin with.
Their main argument is that "whites" put the territory to better
use (serving Western civilization) than the indigenous would
have done (serving non-Western civilizations) had they been
allowed to keep it. This is of course identical to the attitude
of Israelis:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/leftists-against-progressivism/msg25940/#msg25940
so the BS position is still inconsistent (if Western
civilization is what they value, they should support Israel).
But the False Left position (which admires Western machines,
Western aesthetics, etc. while condemning Western colonialism)
is even less consistent. The True Left position, on the other
hand, is to reject that the territory was put to better use,
which requires us criticizing Western civilization as a whole:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/
It should be noted that we have no problem with empires which
actually would put additional territory to better use:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-folkish-imperialism/
--- Quote ---
> a hypothetical vegan country would be justified in invading
all non-vegan countries for the sake of eradicating cruelty to
animals, and so on.
--- End Quote ---
We merely disagree on what is meant by "better":
--- Quote ---
> In contrast, wishing to bring progress to additional
territories is an invalid reason for invasion. A non-industrial
country does not prevent an industrial country from successful
industry, therefore the industrial country is unjustified in
invading the non-industrial country. A non-compulsory-schooling
country does not prevent a compulsory-schooling country from
successful compulsory schooling, therefore the
compulsory-schooling country is unjustified in invading the
non-compulsory-schooling country. And so on. (In fact it is the
other way round: the
non-industrial/non-compulsory-schooling/etc. countries should
invade the industrial/compulsory-schooling/etc. countries in
order to eradicate industry/compulsory schooling/etc.!)
>
> In general, let X be an idea. If X is something that can
succeed only if everyone practices it, invasion to impose X is
justified. Whereas if X is something that can succeed with
merely a fraction of people practicing it, invasion to spread X
is unjustified (but invasion of practitioners by
non-practitioners to eradicate X is justified!).
>
> Most fundamentally, consider reproduction. Reproducers are not
justified in invading non-reproducers, because reproduction will
succeed so long as some people reproduce (irrespective of the
remainder not reproducing). On the other hand, non-reproducers
are justified in invading reproducers, because non-reproduction
will only succeed if everyone refrains from reproducing
simultaneously.
--- End Quote ---
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Re: The rise of Boromir Syndrome?
DIR By: Sunlight
Date: July 7, 2026, 7:12 pm
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--- Quote ---
> As early as the OWNP days, one item in the manifesto
explicitly stated that vast quantities of US territory would be
returned to the descendants of their pre-colonial owners. As
soon as the manifesto was released, this very item came under
attack from supposed rightist "anti-Zionists". This event was
what prompted me to coin the term "Boromir Syndrome" to begin
with.
--- End Quote ---
At the very least, the "reservations" in the US could easily
have their borders significantly expanded, as a start. And it
goes without saying that the original lands of each respective
indigenous nation should be returned to them as well, even if
the nation already has land allotted to them in a region where
they don't originally come from. Namely, lands that belonged to
these nations before they were expelled through the Trail of
Tears:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears
Again, these re-established legacy "reservations" can begin with
a modest size due to practical and ceremonial restraints, and
regain more land in timely manner.
--- Quote ---
> It should be noted that we have no problem with empires which
actually would put additional territory to better use:
--- End Quote ---
I propose that it won't be issue for indigenous nations that go
Vegan today to have their lands returned to them, even if they
historically were not Vegan. But given the proliferation of
latent Boromir Syndrome Rightists in the OWNP, how would you
gauge the quality of the rest of the OWNP manifesto in
retrospect?
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Re: The rise of Boromir Syndrome?
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 7, 2026, 8:40 pm
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"regain more land in timely manner."
One idea back then was that the current government apparatus
could still continue to operate in returned lands, with the main
difference being that taxes from those lands would be payable to
the indigenous owners, who could then decide whether or not to
allocate tax funding to public projects proposed by the
governments, in effect giving the indigenous owners the final
say over what projects do or do not go ahead.
"proliferation of latent Boromir Syndrome Rightists in the OWNP"
As far as I remember, they never joined the OWNP. They
criticized it as outsiders, discouraging others from joining.
#Post#: 32828--------------------------------------------------
Re: The rise of Boromir Syndrome?
DIR By: Sunlight
Date: July 8, 2026, 10:07 pm
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"One idea back then was that the current government apparatus
could still continue to operate in returned lands, with the main
difference being that taxes from those lands would be payable to
the indigenous owners, who could then decide whether or not to
allocate tax funding to public projects proposed by the
governments, in effect giving the indigenous owners the final
say over what projects do or do not go ahead."
Not gonna lie, this is actually pretty smart in that its a
simple solution that would easily fix a complicated problem with
enough time. The forest doesn't necessarily have to be razed;
just flow the Sunlight toward the more beautiful ecologies in
them, allowing them to eventually dominate the entire ecosystem.
"As far as I remember, they never joined the OWNP. They
criticized it as outsiders, discouraging others from joining."
Tell me a story. What started and ended the OWNP? You're really
the only archivist of this bittersweet and hopeful project, so
that makes you the prime bard extraordinaire. All I've heard is
that it was something to do with Rightists.
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Re: The rise of Boromir Syndrome?
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 9, 2026, 1:12 am
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"What started and ended the OWNP?"
The OWNP was started by those among post-9/11 anti-Zionists who
rejected the notion of allowing WNs into the movement. The
others thought it was a good idea to do so, either believing
that letting in WNs would cause them to become more moderate, or
believing that anti-Zionists needed to convert into WNs
ourselves! JAM condemned the latter view and was dubious about
the former, therefore set up the OWNP to gather the like-minded.
The OWNP was ended by JAM replacing it with the Monarchist
Party, which had a similar ideology but without references to
National Socialism, thinking it would be better optics for a
primarily American viewership. It made little difference. WNs
continued to criticize us relentlessly, and unfortunately too
many anti-Zionists listened to the critics. Worse, JAM himself
eventually started to listen to the critics, placating them by
adding implicit Islamophobia, reworked it into a racial theory
that claimed general Semitic (Arab as well as Jewish) racial
inferiority:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/re-psychological-decolonization-323/msg28156/#msg28156
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/re-psychological-decolonization-323/msg28528/#msg28528
as well as adding implicit patriarchy:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/re-psychological-decolonization-323/msg2457/#msg2457
Basically he was sacrificing other issues hoping to retain at
least rejection of hostility towards "blacks" among his viewers,
which looking back was probably his main concern the whole time.
Of course he failed (as I predicted). This was roughly when he
and I ceased private correspondence.
#Post#: 32830--------------------------------------------------
Re: The rise of Boromir Syndrome?
DIR By: Sunlight
Date: July 9, 2026, 11:31 am
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"The OWNP was ended by JAM replacing it with the Monarchist
Party, which had a similar ideology but without references to
National Socialism, thinking it would be better optics for a
primarily American viewership. It made little difference. WNs
continued to criticize us relentlessly, and unfortunately too
many anti-Zionists listened to the critics. Worse, JAM himself
eventually started to listen to the critics, placating them by
adding implicit Islamophobia, reworked it into a racial theory
that claimed general Semitic (Arab as well as Jewish) racial
inferiority:"
Give pinky, lose a hand. A shame that someone as bold and blunt
as JAM didn't have the constitution to not play kiss-up to
people who hated him. If you ask me, there felt like a cultural
void in those times. As in, people didn't feel like they were
Aryanist, or a part of a tangible Counterculture. Too many felt
like WN adjacent watered-down Rightists, and I think that's a
reason why the project slipped. Does that make sense?
"Basically he was sacrificing other issues hoping to retain at
least rejection of hostility towards "blacks" among his viewers,
which looking back was probably his main concern the whole time.
Of course he failed (as I predicted). This was roughly when he
and I ceased private correspondence.
Within the past few years there was a similar group called New
Frontier that was theoretically non-racist, but its politics and
general vibe was so Right-wing that it took exactly three and a
half seconds for its membership to become de facto WNs. Group
spirit and esprit d'corps are core. Groups that don't have their
own are vulnerable to subversion.
HTML https://youtu.be/fjrPpzNeNZ0?list=RDfjrPpzNeNZ0
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Re: The rise of Boromir Syndrome?
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 9, 2026, 7:00 pm
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"people didn't feel like they were Aryanist, or a part of a
tangible Counterculture. Too many felt like WN adjacent
watered-down Rightists, and I think that's a reason why the
project slipped. Does that make sense?"
Totally. Even within the Aryanist movement were members who had
made rightist presumptions about the movement that I never
intended (e.g. presuming that being anti-Jewish meant being
homophobic, despite Judaism literally being the origin of
homophobia). And this is not even to mention the confusion over
the meaning of "Aryan". Even after the Aryan Diffusion series
was published, some still presumed it was a series about
prehistoric "white" migrations worldwide!
Some even thought that I was merely a WN opposed to violence
against "non-whites" currently alive, and that the reason why I
talked about state control over reproduction every day was
because my plan was to prohibit all "non-whites" from
reproducing while allowing "whites" to reproduce, thus still
ending up with the world that WNs want. The possibility that I
would if anything first prohibit "whites" from reproducing never
occurred to them in their wildest dreams..... until I finally
started saying it explicitly.
And when they at last understood this, some reacted by trying to
turn my own values against my own strategy, such as arguing that
if I wanted a vegan world (which indeed I do), I should want a
"white" world since (according to them) only "whites" care about
veganism. WTF?!
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/hitler-the-face-of-anti-tribalism/msg28854/#msg28854
--- Quote ---
> Germany was found to have the highest percentage of
vegetarians (7.8 million, 10%) and vegans (900,000, 1.1%) in the
modern West.
> ...
> the Africa/Middle East region (of which Egypt, Morocco, Saudi
Arabia, South Africa, United Arab Emirates were surveyed), has
16% vegetarians and 6% vegans, making it the second-most
vegetarian region after Asia.[65]
> ...
> the Asia-Pacific region has the highest share of vegetarians
(19%) and vegans (9%).[65]
--- End Quote ---
More broadly, I suspect that a major reason why many back then
liked exposing the disproportionate Jewish influence on Western
history was that they saw it as a way to shift blame for the
horrors of the colonial era away from "whites" as a whole onto
Jews only, when actually the point of the narrative was to
include Jews among "whites" (and thus oppressors) contrary to
the image of Jewish victimhood ("Holocaust survivors") that Jews
have preferred.
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