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Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: January 15, 2026, 9:24 am
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> New blog post:
HTML https://unitythroughnobility.blogspot.com/2026/01/double-standards-in-wwii-historiography.html
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In historical fact, it was indeed Hitler who sought to initiate
war and to carry out aggressive expansion across Europe. The
YouTube channel TIKHistory has refuted the historical narrative
claiming that Hitler did not want to start a war and instead
sought peace with the Western Allied countries, as presented by
the Zoomer Historian channel. Regarding the record of atrocities
committed by various states during the Second World War,
Hitler’s regime indeed also carried out such atrocities, just
like other regimes such as Great Britain and the Soviet Union.
Great Britain caused the Bengal famine, the Soviet Union caused
the Katyn massacre and the Holodomor, while Hitler caused the
deaths of 20 million Russian civilians as well as large-scale
attacks and bombings that resulted in thousands of deaths among
the peoples of Britain, France, and other European countries.
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Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: January 18, 2026, 8:21 pm
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>
> Every Major Nazi Myth Explained By a German by Brofessor Stein
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3ZFY_pfpu0
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> In September 1931, Goebbels recorded that Hitler wished to
withdraw from the Catholic Church but was waiting for the right
moment. Hitler's wish seemed to excite Goebbels, even though he
admitted it would cause a scandal. But Goebbels relished the
thought that he. Hitler, and other Nazi leaders would someday
leave the churches en masse. He also wrote that Hitler "even
wants sometime later to carry out the fight against it the
Catholic Church|.*
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Goebbels, diary entry on September 12, 1931, in Die Tageblicher
von Joseph Goebbels, ed. Elke Fröhlich, part l: Aufzeichnungen
1923- 1941, vol. 2/I1: Juni 1931-September 1932 (Munich: K. G.
Saur, 2004), 96.
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> In January 1937, Goebbels was with Hitler during an
internecine debate on religion and reported, "The Führer thinks
Christianity is ripe for destruction. That may still take a long
time, but it is coming."
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Goebbels, diary entry for January 5, 1937, in Die Tageblicher
von Joseph Goebbels, ed. Elke Fröhlich, part l: Aufzeichnungen
1923- 1941, vol. 3/II: März 1936-Februar 1937 (Munich: K. G.
Saur, 2001), 316.
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> On December 13, 1941, Two days after declaring war on the
United States, he (Hitler) told his Gauleiter (district leaders)
that he was going to annihilate the Jews, but he was postponing
his campaign against the church until after the war, when he
would deal with them. According to Rosenberg, both on that day
and the following, Hitler's monologues were primarily about the
"problem of Christianity." (Rosenberg underlines this term on
page one)
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Goebbels, diary entry for December 13, 1941, in Die Tagebücher
von Joseph Goebbels, ed. Elke Fröhlich, part II: Diktate
1941-1945, vol. 2: Oktober-Dezember 1941 (Munich: K. G. Saur,
1996), 498-500.
Alfred Rosenberg, diary, entry for December 14, 1941, 625,
accessed January 22, 2014
HTML http://collections.ushmm.org/view/2001.62.14.
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Re: Rights vs Duties
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: April 5, 2026, 8:20 pm
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>
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> Israel has a duty to stop itself from existing ASAP. It is
because Israel refuses to do its duty that the rest of us have
to reluctantly do it on Israel's behalf.
>
> And no, people do not have a "right" to exist either. People
who claim such a right would, just as Israel does, use it to
justify initiating violence against those whom they deem
potentially detrimental to their future existence. Jewish
diaspora history is a history of Jews believing they have a
"right" to exist (which is really just another way of saying
they are Chosen), thus using tribalism in their interactions
with non-Jews.
>
> The most certain way to end Israel is to end the bloodlines
which Israel is intended to serve. Every Jew should have
participated in this duty by voluntarily refraining from
reproducing. It is precisely because diaspora Jews did not do
this that, despite ancient Israel being wiped off the map,
modern Israel revived after WWII. It follows that, even if today
we wipe Israel off the map again, so long as Jewish blood
remains in the world, Israel could return yet again in the
future. Wanting to destroy Israel without wanting to eliminate
Jewish blood is dereliction of duty.
>
> Woke comments:
>
> [quote]I have never understood that stupid phrase - Yes it is
Bullshit argument !
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> They are using this arguement to reach a certain conclusion
that literally anything can, could be a threat to the existence
of the Zionist- state
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> i can’t believe they actually think “right to exist” is a
winning argument
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> The reason they think it's a winning argument is the same
reason there is a video by Medhi Hasan explaining WHY it's not a
good argument. It's because as long as a huge number of people
buy into that arguments means those huge number of people "think
it's a good argument".
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> A PSYCHOPATHIC STATE DOESN'T HAVE RIGHTS TO EXIST
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> Insisting that Israel has a “right to exist” today is no
different than insisting Rhodesia had a “right to exist” fifty
years ago.
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> Did Apartheid South Africa have a right to exist ? NO
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> The "UK" definitely does not have a right to exist!
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> As of now, hundreds of thousands of Israelis are leaving
Israel so...
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> Scary! Where the L are they going?
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> Asking "does Israel have the right to exist?" is a bit like
asking, "Does Harvey Weinstein have the right to a safe work
environment?"
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If Hitler had won WWII, not only would Israel not exist, but
neither would Weinstein. See how that works?
[/quote]
If Hitler had won World War II, not only Israel and figures like
Weinstein would not exist, but class stratification based on
economics and private ownership would also have been eliminated.
This is because the bourgeoisie, the middle class, and the
landlord class would have been destroyed as well. Hitler did not
adhere to a “Third Position” ideology as often claimed by White
Nationalist and Neo-Nazi groups. I will continue to comment and
provide input based on verifiable sources until you eventually
block and delete my account from this forum. You can emphasize
views on class collaboration, private ownership, and the
voluntary distribution of wealth. However, all of that becomes
dishonest if you still take Hitler as a source of inspiration.
Hitler led with a sense of resentment and envy toward the middle
class, the bourgeoisie, and the landlord class. He was
influenced by several ideas from Marx. This was also one of the
reasons why Oswald Spengler, a prominent German philosopher at
the time, despised and rejected Hitler and National Socialism,
as he viewed its ideas as too proletarian in nature.
Source :
1. Gordon, D. (2022, February 4). It Wasn’t Capitalism: Mises
Explains Nazi Economics. Mises Institute.
HTML https://mises.org/friday-philosophy/it-wasnt-capitalism-mises-explains-nazi-economics
‌2. Zitelmann, R. (2022). The role of anti-capitalism in
Hitler's world view. Economic Affairs, 42(3), 515–527.
HTML https://doi.org/10.1111/ecaf.12551
3. Oswald Spengler (English) | spengler-society. (2018).
Spengler-Society.
HTML https://www.oswaldspenglersociety.com/oswald-spengler
The “Aryanism” community is no longer operating based on Hitler
and National Socialism.
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Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
DIR By: TurtleTimer
Date: April 6, 2026, 9:12 pm
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> The “Aryanism” community is no longer operating based on
Hitler and National Socialism.
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What "Aryanism community" are you speaking of? Far as I can tell
no such community exists? 3 or 4 truth-seekers sharing ideas
together occasionally on the internet is hardly a "community" I
think?
I suspect 90SRF does what he does out of sense of duty. that is
1 person. 1 person does not make a "community" either, does it?
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Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: April 7, 2026, 2:42 am
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> What "Aryanism community" are you speaking of? Far as I can
tell no such community exists? 3 or 4 truth-seekers sharing
ideas together occasionally on the internet is hardly a
"community" I think?
>
> I suspect 90SRF does what he does out of sense of duty. that
is 1 person. 1 person does not make a "community" either, does
it?
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Whether the writings of "Aryanism" were created by a community
or a single group, they do not fit Hitler's ideals. There are
many inconsistencies between Hitler's ideas as recorded in
history and those envisioned by "Aryanism."
For example, here is a quote from the idea of
​​"Aryanism":
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> The economy should be viewed in a light no different than any
other of our means to accomplishing a purpose. Our motto, UNITY
THROUGH NOBILITY, is based on the same spirit of cooperation in
pursuit of a final goal, as a prerequisite to which the folk
must have total unity, including economic unity. Under such a
worldview, class becomes merely a differentiation of
occupational skills, with no social status or egotistical
prestige pertaining to it. The steering wheel of a car is not
higher or lower in status than the road wheels; nor is the
engine more or less prestigious than the fuel tank; what matters
is the ability of the car to complete its journey, which depends
on the cooperation of all mechanical parts essential for this
function. Thus the very notion of “class conflict” becomes as
absurd as the notion of the different parts of the same vehicle
declaring war on one another – all it would accomplish is
disabling the entire vehicle and preventing arrival at our
destination.[1]
>
> ...
>
> Communism, by limiting itself strictly to the material,
impersonal and existential throughout its entire ideological
presentation, could not possibly have been the product of a mind
in touch with genuine ideals of any kind, but is rather the
creation of a calculating herder who set out to deliberately
dupe well-meaning people and drag them down to a profane
condition, in Hitler’s words: “The Jew artfully enkindled that
innate yearning for social justice which is a typical Aryan
characteristic. Once that yearning became alive it was
transformed into hatred against those in more fortunate
circumstances of life.”[2] In this, our idealistic criticism of
communism is entirely distinct from the capitalist cynical
criticism of communism. Capitalists merely distrust the ability
of communism to deliver on its material objectives; we despise
communism for being devoid of spiritual objectives.[3]
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Source :
1. ARYANISM - Economics (Captured on 14th January 2017)
HTML https://web.archive.org/web/20170114204653/http://aryanism.net/politics/economics/
2. Mein Kampf Vol. 1 by Adolf Hitler (Translated by Thomas
Dalton PhD) Page 321
HTML https://archive.org/details/mein-kampf-vol.-1/mode/2up?q=innate+yearning+for+social+justice+which+is+a+typical+Aryan+characteristic
3. ARYANISM - National Socialism and Communism (Captured on 06th
January 2017)
HTML https://web.archive.org/web/20170106184646/http://aryanism.net/politics/national-socialism-and-communism/
I have already demonstrated historical evidence that Hitler
viewed the landlord class, the bourgeoisie, and the middle class
as his enemies in my previous answer post. Indeed, in Mein
Kampf, Hitler wrote that hatred of the privileged was a Jewish
act of spreading a narrative. However, after Hitler succeeded in
leading Germany, his views on the privileged (middle class,
bourgeoisie, and landowners) changed.
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/aryanism-net-gone/msg32439/#msg32439
Addition :
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> Let us summarize. Hitler’s relationship to Marxism was
determined by a strange ambivalence. On the one hand he admired
it, regarded the Marxist movement as an example and tried to
learn from it. On the other hand he rejected Marxist ideology
because it denied the principle of ‘eternal battle’ as well as
the principles of race and personality. His criticism of Marxism
– and we should emphasize this once again here – was not
directed exclusively against any specific points in the
teachings of Karl Marx and was different in many respects from
bourgeois anti-Marxism. Nolte has defined Fascism as an
‘anti-Marxism which attempts to destroy by the development of a
radically opposed but still related ideology and the application
of almost identical but still characteristically reshaped
methods, but always within the impenetrable framework of
national self-assertion and autonomy’.86 This definition does
indeed come very close to the essence of National Socialism.
However, National Socialism should not be primarily interpreted
as anti-Marxism. It was rather an alternative, competing
revolutionary movement which did not have the destruction of
Marxism as its main objective but which had to destroy it, not
despite, but because of its proximity to it.
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Source :
Hitler's National Socialism by Dr. Rainer Zitelmann Page 543 -
544
HTML https://dn710006.ca.archive.org/0/items/adolf-hitler-archive/Hitler%27s%20National%20Socialism%202022.pdf
If you still support Hitler's views, add ideas that advocate
dismantling the evil attitudes of the bourgeoisie, middle class,
and landlords. Also, start discussing how these evils can be
addressed through economic mechanisms.
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Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 7, 2026, 4:03 am
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"I have already demonstrated"
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Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: April 7, 2026, 4:08 am
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> "I have already demonstrated"
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Trump claims victory, while I prove I won in a discussion about
the historical validation of Hitler's views and beliefs. So I
can't be compared to Trump. By the way, what a funny poster.
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Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 7, 2026, 3:41 pm
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Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: April 8, 2026, 1:12 am
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I'll discuss this without making baseless claims like Trump. Let
me give you another example. I found historical records that
show Hitler's plot against the church and the nobility.
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> “The Fuhrer was a man completely oriented toward antiquity. He
hated Christianity because it had crippled all noble humanity.
According to Schopenhauer, Christianity and syphilis had made
humanity unhappy and unfree. What a difference between the
smiling, benevolent Zeus and the crucified, suffering Christ!
Even the very conception of God was far nobler and more humane
among the ancients than in Christianity. What a difference
between the gloomy cathedrals and the bright, open temples of
antiquity! He described life in ancient Rome: clarity, grandeur,
monumentality. The greatest republic in history. We would
certainly not be disappointed, he believed, if we were suddenly
transported to this eternal, ancient city.”
>
> “The Fuhrer had no interest in Gothic architecture. He hated
gloom and vague mysticism. He desired clarity, brightness, and
beauty. These are also the ideals of life in our time. In this
respect, the Fuhrer was a thoroughly modern man.”
>
> “For him, the Augustan Age was the culmination of history. And
as for the slaves supposedly freed by Christianity, they were
far less free and more oppressed in the Middle Ages than in
ancient Rome. What, then, was slavery really? Could a modern
industrial proletarian be freer than a slave before American
“freedom” in the Southern states? All this is prejudice.”
--- End Quote ---
— Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels, April 8, 1941
Source:
Goebbels, diary entry dated April 8, 1941, in Die Tagebücher von
Joseph Goebbels, ed. Elke Fröhlich, part 1: Notes 1923–1941,
vol. 9: December 1940–July 1941 (Munich: K.G. Saur, 1998). p.
234
From the text :
Der Führer ist ein ganz auf die Antike ausgerichteter Mensch. Er
haßt das Christentum, weil es alles edle Menschentum verkrüppelt
hat. Christentum und Syphilis haben nach Schopenhauer die
Menschheit unglücklich und unfrei gemacht. Welch ein Unterschied
zwischen einem gütig und weise lächelnden Zeus und einem
schmerzverzerrten gekreuzigten Christus. Auch die
Gottesanschauung selbst ist bei den antiken Völkern viel edler
und menschlicher als beim Christentum. Welch ein Unterschied
zwischen einem düsteren Dom und einem hellen, freien antiken
Tempel. Er schildert das Leben im alten Rom: Klarheit, Größe,
Monumentalität. Die großartigste Republik der Geschichte. Wir
würden wohl keine Enttäuschung erleben, so meint er, wenn wir
jetzt plötzlich in diese alte ewige Stadt versetzt würden.
Der Führer hat gar kein Verhältnis zur Gotik. Er haßt die
Düsterkeit und den verschwimmenden Mystizismus. Er will
Klarheit, Helligkeit, Schönheit. Das ist auch das Lebensideal
unserer Zeit. Da ist der Führer ein ganz moderner Mensch.
Das Augusteische Zeitalter ist ihm der Höhepunkt der Geschichte.
Und was die Sklaven anbetrifft, die das Christentum angeblich
befreite. Sie sind im Mittelalter viel unfreier und bedrückter
gewesen als im alten Rom. Was heißt da überhaupt Sklaverei? Ist
vielleicht ein heutiger Industrieprolet freier als ein Sklave
vor der amerikanischen "Freiheit" in den Südstaaten. Das sind
alles Vorurteile.
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> “Before the Reichstag, I warned the Jewish nation,” he said,
“that the Jews would disappear from Europe if war were
inevitable. This criminal race has already borne the guilt of
two million World War II victims, and now hundreds of thousands
more. Let no one say to me: ‘But we can’t let them fall into the
mud!’ Who will take care of our nation?” It is good that the
horror of the extermination of the Jews has preceded us. The
attempt to establish a Jewish state will fail…”
> …
> “It is absurd that someone who leaves the church must continue
to pay taxes for another year. A simple letter stating, “I
quit!” should suffice, and from then on, no further payments
would be required; we would simply wait until there is peace.
The current situation: Goebbels married a Protestant woman and
was subsequently excommunicated. * Now he refuses to pay any
more, but the Church tells him that his excommunication was
merely a church punishment; as far as the obligation to pay is
concerned, he should consider himself still bound by it.”
>
> “The Church reproached me at the time for being present as a
witness at the wedding; They would excommunicate me if they
didn't think it would win him new favors!
>
> “The Catholic Church declares any marriage contracted after a
divorce to be adultery. In Austria—where they were more advanced
than the old German Empire in many ways—the result was that no
one cared about Church teaching. The most extraordinary divorce
story is that of Starhemberg: For a payment of 250,000
shillings, the Church granted his divorce, arguing that the
marriage should be considered never to have taken place, since
both had married with the earnest intention of not fulfilling
their marital obligations from the start! Since Starhemberg had
no money, the sum was paid by the Home Defense Guard.”
>
> “What source of income has the Church not developed over these
1,500 years? It's a never-ending business! I'm forced to
accumulate a large sum of money; but that doesn't mean that what
I confess without immediately reacting will simply disappear. It
goes into the accounts; someday the ledger will be withdrawn. I
also had to remain inactive for a long time regarding the Jews.
There's no point in artificially creating additional
difficulties; the more prudently one acts, the better. When I
read the speeches of someone like Galen, I say to myself: Making
small pricks is useless; it is better to remain silent; unless
someone doubts the future of this movement! If I believe this
movement will last for several centuries, then I can wait. Nor
would I have been able to overcome Marxism if I had not had the
power behind me."
>
> "Intellectual means alone are ineffective against elements
that are completely indifferent to the truth. How can one act
against a church whose priests know full well that it is all a
fraud, yet live off it anyway? I interfered in their affairs;
they consider me an intruder in their existence!”
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- Adolf Hitler, October 25, 1941
Source :
Hitler, monologue on 25 October 1941, in Monologe im
Führerhauptquartier 1941-1944: Die Aufzeichnungen Heinrich
Heims, ed. Werner Jochmann (Hamburg: Albrecht Knaus, 1980), p.
84, 86, and 87
From the text :
Vor dem Reichstag habe ich dem Judentum prophezeit,'” der Jude
werde aus Europa verschwinden, wenn der Krieg nicht vermieden
bleibt. Diese Verbrecherrasse hat die zwei Millionen Toten des
Weltkrieges auf dem Gewissen, jetzt wieder Hunderttausende. Sage
mir keiner: Wir können sie doch nicht in den Morast schicken!
Wer kümmert sich denn um unsere Menschen? Es ist gut, wenn uns
der Schrecken vorangeht, daß wir das Judentum ausrotten. Der
Versuch, einen Judenstaat zu gründen, wird ein Fehlschlag sein.
…
Ein Unfug ist es, daß einer, wenn er aus der Kirche austritt,
noch ein Jahr weiter Steuer zahlen muß. Es soll so werden, daß
eine bloße Zuschrift: Ich trete aus! genügt und daß von Stund an
nichts mehr gezahlt zu werden braucht; wir wollen damit nur noch
warten, bis Friede ist. Der derzeitige Zustand: Goebbels
heiratet eine protestantische Frau und wird daraufhin aus der
Kirche ausgeschlossen. '”* Nun will er nichts mehr zahlen, die
Kirche aber bedeutet ihm, sein Ausschluß sei lediglich eine
Kirchenstrafe; was die Zahlungspflicht angeht, habe er sich als
weiter ihr verpflichtet zu betrachten.
Mir machte die Kirche damals zum Vorwurf, daß ich als Trauzeuge
bei der Eheschließung zugegen war; man würde mich ausgeschlossen
haben, wenn man sich nicht gesagt hätte, das bringt ihm neue
Sympathien ein!
Jede nach einer Scheidung neu geschlossene Ehe erklärt die
katholische Kirche für Konkubinat. In Österreich - man ist dem
Altreich da in vielem voraus gewesen - war die Folge, daß sich
niemand um die kirchlichen Gebote gekümmert hat. Die tollste
Geschichte einer Ehescheidung ist doch die von Starhemberg:
Gegen Zahlung von 250 000 Schilling hatihm die Kirche den Weg
zur Scheidung freigegeben, indem man sich dazu auf die
Begründung einigte, die Ehe sei als gar nicht zustande gekommen
zu betrachten, da die beiden von vornherein mit dem ernsten
Vorsatz geheiratet hätten, die Pflichten der Ehe nicht zu
erfüllen! Da Starhemberg kein Geld hatte, wurde der Betrag von
der Heimwehr bezahlt.'”°
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Re: Western Revisionism of WWI and WWII
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: April 8, 2026, 1:18 am
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> “He confronted Bishop Galen. He gathered all the material
against him and watched every action of this traitor. The time
would come when he would strike; but then, not only against
Bishop Galen, but also against several other high-ranking church
leaders. But he wanted to wait for the right moment and then set
an example that would settle the matter once and for all. That's
why he didn't allow himself to be provoked this time and didn't
respond at all. Naturally, Galen became even bolder.”
>
> “The Fuhrer also agrees with my opinion that nothing should be
done about the forged pastoral letter from Bishop Galen, in
which he allegedly called for open resistance to the government.
You have to give him a forehand here, and it's best if he
doesn't react at all, because he would put himself in a bad
position and lose the few friends he still has. In any case, the
Fuhrer is expected to strike at the right moment; and there's
nothing to laugh at for the Catholic clergy.”
--- End Quote ---
—Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels, November 22, 1941
…
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> “The Führer deeply regrets that, especially in the military,
there are still a number of generals who believe they cannot
even condemn the actions of Bishop Galen. How modern-minded
people can find any teachings relevant to our time in
Christianity is simply beyond my comprehension. Even our party
minister, Kerrl, belongs to this group; his obsession with
church matters, likely due to his shallow education, has led him
to adopt a truly confused and half-baked position. In the light
of our modern science, being a Christian simply means being less
intelligent. What could Christianity possibly offer a person
today? Above all, we should be surprised that the very weak
conception of life after death offered by Christianity can still
move even intelligent people. The ideal of life after death
portrayed by Christianity lacks inner substance. Islam, at
least, is more grounded. Islam promises people, in return for
their good Islamic way of life, an afterlife that corresponds to
their idea of ​​earthly happiness. But to imagine or
desire a paradise where eternal happiness consists of singing
Hallelujah is simply absurd for a person in the 20th century. It
is clear that this entire doctrine will have to be replaced in
the coming decades. But we need not resort to violence; This
will happen naturally, given modern understanding. Our task
today, however, is to eliminate the political influence of the
churches. What they desire or stand for religiously may be
irrelevant to us in relation to our greater tasks in the world;
but once they interfere in worldly affairs, they must be firmly
rejected.
>
> “However, the struggle against the churches will be very
difficult because, with their outrageous nonsense, they will
always have the support of the majority. They exploit the
ignorance of the masses, and as Ludwig Thomas once said, “We may
be the fools, but we are also the majority!” But I believe that
in calmer times we can confidently address this issue; for we
are not so separated from the masses that we cannot convey our
point clearly to them.”
--- End Quote ---
- Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels, December 14, 1941
Source:
1. Goebbels, diary entry at the end of November 1941, in Die
Tagebücher von Joseph Goebbels, edited by Elke Fröhlich, Part
II: Diktat 1941–1945, Volume 2: October–December 1941 (Munich:
K. G. Saur, 1996), pp. 341, 507, and 508
From the text :
Den Bischof Galen hat er auf dem Kieker. Er läßt sich das ganze
Material gegen ihn zusammenstellen und beobachtet jede einzelne
Handlung dieses Landesverräters. Es wird eines Tages die Stunde
kommen, wo er zuschlägt; dann allerdings nicht nur gegen den
Bischof Galen, sondern auch noch gegen einige andere hohe
Kirchenfürsten. Aber dafür will er den geeigneten Augenblick
abwarten und dann ein Exempel statuieren, das ein für allemal
dies Problem regelt. Er läßt sich deshalb im Augenblick nicht
provozieren und antwortet gar nicht. Umso frecher wird natürlich
Galen.
Der Führer stimmt auch mit meiner Meinung überein, daß man gegen
das Falsifikat eines Hirtenbriefs des Bischofs Galen, in dem er
angeblich zum offenen Widerstand gegen die Regierung auffordert,
nichts unternimmt; man soll ihm hier die Vorhand lassen, und das
Beste wäre überhaupt, wenn er gar nicht darauf reagierte, weil
er sich damit so stark ins Unrecht setzt, daß erauch die wenigen
letzten Freunde, die er noch besitzt, verliert. Jedenfalls steht
zu erwarten, daß der Führer in einem günstigen Augenblick
zuschlagen wird; und dann gibt es für den katholischen Klerus
nichts zu lachen.
…
Der Führer beklagt sehr, daß sich vor allem im Heer noch eine
ganze Reihe von Generälen befinden, die selbst das Vorgehen des
Bischofs Galen nicht verurteilen zu können glauben. Wie ein
modern denkender Mensch im Christentum überhaupt eine Lehre für
die Jetztzeit erkennen kann, ist mir unerfindlich. Es befindet
sich in dieser Reihe sogar unser Parteiminister Kerrl, der durch
seine Beschäftigung mit der Kirchenfrage, wohl aufgrund seiner
Halbbildung, einen gänzlich verworrenen und unausgegorenen
Standpunkt einnimmt. Christ sein heißt im Hinblick auf unsere
moderne Wissenschaft nur einen Mangel an Intelligenz zu
besitzen. Was kann das Christentum einem Menschen von heute
überhaupt noch geben? Vor allem muß man sich darüber wundern,
daß die doch so außerordentlich blassen Jenseitsvorstellungen
des Christentums immer noch auch intelligente Menschen bewegen
können. Das Ideal des Jenseits, das vom Christentum gemalt wird,
besitzt keine innere Substanz. Da ist der Mohammedanismus doch
wenigstens noch besser fun diert. Er verspricht dem Erdenbürger
für seine gute mohammedanische Lebensführung wenigstens ein
Jenseits, das seinen diesseitigen Glücksvorstellungen
entspricht. Aber sich einen Himmel vorzustellen oder zu
wünschen, in dem die ewige Seligkeit in Halleluja-Singen
besteht, das ist doch für einen Menschen des 20. Jahrhunderts
geradezu absurd. Es ist klar, daß diese ganze Lehre im Laufe der
Jahrzehnte einmal irgendwie ersetzt werden muß. Aber wir
brauchen da gar nicht mit Zwang zu arbeiten, das kommt im Lichte
der modernen Erkenntnisse ganz von selbst. Auf jeden Fall aber
ist es unsere jetzige Aufgabe, den politischen Einfluß der
Kirchen zu beseitigen. Was sie religiös wollen oder anstreben,
kann uns im Hinblick auf unsere großen irdischen Aufga ben
gleichgültig sein; sobald sie sich aber in die irdische
Problematik hineinmischen, müssen sie mit Schärfe zurückgewiesen
werden.
…
Allerdings wird der Kampf gegen die Kirchen sehr schwer sein,
weil sie mit ihrem haarsträubenden Unfug ja immer die Mehrheit
der Menschen auf ihrer Seite haben werden. Sie spekulieren auf
die Dummheit der breiten Massen, und schon Ludwig Thoma hat ja
einmal gesagt: "Wir sind zwar die Dummen, aber auch die
mehreren!" Doch glaube ich, daß wir in ruhigen Zeiten dies
Problem getrost in Angriff nehmen können; denn wir sind ja auch
nicht so massenfremd, als daß wir das, was wir wollen, dem Volke
nicht klarmachen könnten.
--- Quote ---
> “…Christianity is the most ridiculous thing ever created by
the human mind in its imagination, a mockery of everything
divine. A Negro with his fetish towers higher than a man who
truly believes in the miracle of the transfiguration.”
--- End Quote ---
— Adolf Hitler, December 13, 1941
--- Quote ---
> “Minister Kerrl wants to create a synthesis between National
Socialism and Christianity in the noblest sense. I do not
believe that is possible; the reason lies in Christianity
itself.”
>
> “What I can still accept is Christianity in the period of
papal decline; objectively, it is dangerous, and
propagandistically, it is a lie. But a pope who, though a
criminal, employs great scholars and creates many beautiful
works, appeals to me more than a Protestant pastor who returns
to the original state of Christianity.”
>
> “Pure Christianity, so-called genuine Christianity, aims at
the realization of Christian theory: it leads to the destruction
of humanity; it is naked Bolshevism disguised as metaphysics.”
--- End Quote ---
- Adolf Hitler, December 14, 1941
Source :
1. Hitler, monologue on 13-14 December 1941, in Monologe im
Führerhauptquartier 1941-1944: Die Aufzeichnungen Heinrich
Heims, ed. Werner Jochmann (Hamburg: Albrecht Knaus, 1980), pp.
124-125.
HTML https://archive.org/details/monologe-im-fuehrerhauptquartier/page/124/mode/2up
From the text :
Das Christentum ist das Tollste, das je ein Menschengehirn in
seinem Wahn hervorgebracht hat, eine Verhöhnung von allem
Göttlichen. Ein Neger mit seinem Fetisch ist ja einem, der an
das Wunder der Verwandlung ernstlich glaubt, turmhoch überlegen.
…
Minister Kerrl wollte im edelsten Sinne eine Synthese herstellen
zwischen Nationalsozialismus und Christentum. Ich glaube nicht,
daß das möglich ist; der Grund liegt im Christentum selbst.
Das, womit ich mich noch abfinden könnte, ist das Christentum
der päpstlichen Verfallszeit; sachlich gesehen ist es
gefährlich, propagandistisch ist es eine Lüge. Aber ein Papst,
der, wenn schon er ein Verbrecher war, doch große Meister
beschäftigt und viele Schönheiten geschaffen hat, ist mir
sympathischer als ein protestantischer Pfarrer, der zurückgeht
auf den Urzustand des Christentums.
Das reine Christentum, das sogenannte Urchristentum, geht auf
die Wahrmachung der christlichen Theorie aus: Es führt zur
Vernichtung des Menschentums, ist nackter Bolschewismus in
metaphysischer Verbrämung.
2. Hitler's Table Talk, 1941-1944 : His Private Conversations:
Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive. (2022).
Internet Archive Page 144.
HTML https://archive.org/details/hitlerstabletalk0000hitl/page/144/mode/2up?q=negro
From the text :
But Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could
imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of
turning the idea of ​​the Godhead into a mockery. A
negrg with his tabus is crushingly superior to the human being
who seriously believes in Transubstantiation.
…
Kerrl, with the noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a
synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't
believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in
Christianity itself.
I think I could have come to an understanding with the Popes of
the Renaissance. Obviously, their Christianity was a danger on
the practical level-and, on the propaganda level, it continued
to be a lie. But a Pope, even a criminal one, who protects great
artists and spreads beauty around him, is nevertheless more
sympathetic to me than the Protestant minister who drinks from
the poisoned spring.
Pure Christianity-the Christianity of the catacombs-is concerned
with translating the Christian doctrine into facts. It leads
quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely
whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics.
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