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Re: Abortion = Kindness?
DIR By: Aucontraire
Date: January 19, 2026, 9:45 pm
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Relevance?
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> None of which I would do (or have ever done in the past).
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I'm interested in preventing greater violence (which IS the path
of least suffering, ultimately).
If you would not commit the violence of e.g. swiping a button
battery out of a baby's mouth in order to prevent them dying an
excruciating death, then you very clearly are not.
You are willing to leave them to a horrific fate just to keep
your own hands clean.
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> Where do I support this? Please post an exact quote.
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"Wait for their instruction."
This requires life preservation, which requires "repeated acts
of violence". Your support is implicit, albeit temporal.
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Re: Abortion = Kindness?
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 20, 2026, 5:10 pm
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"If you would not commit the violence of e.g. swiping a button
battery out of a baby's mouth in order to prevent them dying an
excruciating death, then you very clearly are not.
You are willing to leave them to a horrific fate just to keep
your own hands clean."
Or I could check the vicinity for dangerous objects and put them
elsewhere before the baby arrives. Moron.
""Wait for their instruction."
This requires life preservation, which requires "repeated acts
of violence"."
How?
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Re: Abortion = Kindness?
DIR By: Aucontraire
Date: January 20, 2026, 9:53 pm
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What if you missed something? What if someone drops something?
What if you're out and about?
You're living in fairytale land.
And you're ignoring the other examples I mentioned. I could
easily list a hundred more examples of violence often necessary
for "childcare". Not to mention all the animals killed to
procure their food and clothes (even if they're plant-based).
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I've just explained how, "illiterate".
Birth is violent
"Childcare" is violent
Even just having to wake up is violent (note how often they cry
upon waking)
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Re: Abortion = Kindness?
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 22, 2026, 10:57 pm
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"What if you missed something? What if someone drops something?
What if you're out and about?"
You are arguing that it is better to initiate violence
(abortion) than to not initiate violence if following the latter
there is a possibility - not even a certainty! - of greater
physical pain (death by swallowing battery). Thank you for
implicitly answering my earlier question: your priority is
minimizing physical pain, not minimizing initiated violence.
Applying the same argument, I suppose you would similarly turn
on a painless poison gas to kill an already-born baby without
their consent before they have time to perhaps swallow a
battery.
"And you're ignoring the other examples I mentioned."
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> None of which I would do (or have ever done in the past).
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"Not to mention all the animals killed to procure their food and
clothes (even if they're plant-based)."
Hence my opposition to conception (for both humans and
non-humans). I do not deny that harvesting crops statistically
leads to some accidental animal deaths, and hence I agree that
we should aim to reduce the supply of crops needed by reducing
the demand for crops. But are you arguing that it is better to
deliberately kill X individuals without their permission than
for Y(>X) individuals to risk accidental death?
"Birth is violent"
Say this to pronatalists, not to me (an antinatalist FFS!).
""Childcare" is violent"
Depends on the carer.
"Even just having to wake up is violent (note how often they cry
upon waking)"
Whom you are blaming for this? Noisy people nearby? Or anyone
who doesn't kill every sleeping baby they encounter?
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