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#Post#: 31964--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abortion = Kindness?
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 16, 2026, 8:35 pm
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"most people understand a crying baby is usually distressed or
uncomfortable and needs relief."
A crying baby can usually be relieved without killing them.
(Also, I myself have never seen a baby crying prior to birth.)
"So, gamble on their suffering."
I don't make a profit either way, therefore not a gamble.
"Pick one:"
Each person decides for themselves.
"- A compassionate human decides, despite not being explicitly
requested to"
You sound like every tyrannical parent justifying the violence
they initiate towards their offspring.
#Post#: 31966--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abortion = Kindness?
By: Aucontraire Date: January 16, 2026, 9:25 pm
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=3339.msg31964#msg31964
date=1768617308]
A crying baby can usually be relieved without killing them.
(Also, I myself have never seen a baby crying prior to birth.)
[/quote]
Irrelevant.
[quote]
I don't make a profit either way, therefore not a
gamble.[/quote]
Gambling on someone else's behalf is still gambling.
[quote]
Each person decides for themselves.
[/quote]
Not an option for a baby who is literally still in the womb. Try
again.
#Post#: 31967--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abortion = Kindness?
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 16, 2026, 10:18 pm
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"Irrelevant."
You were the one who brought it up!
"Gambling on someone else's behalf is still gambling."
That's what you would be doing by killing them without
permission.
"Not an option for a baby who is literally still in the womb."
You are illiterate:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/abortion-kindness/msg31960/#msg31960
[quote]Wait for their instruction.[/quote]
#Post#: 31968--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abortion = Kindness?
By: Aucontraire Date: January 17, 2026, 3:17 am
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=3339.msg31967#msg31967
date=1768623491]
You were the one who brought it up!
[/quote]
That their suffering can usually be temporarily relieved
non-lethally is irrelevant because they still have to suffer in
the first place and what we're discussing is a preventative
measure (abortion). And "usually" is far from adequate.
[quote]
That's what you would be doing by killing them without
permission.
[/quote]
I never denied that abortion would be a gamble. By forcing them
out of the game, they might never "lose", but they also won't
"win".
You are denying that letting nature force them to stay in is a
gamble.
While you "wait" for their command, they'll have to suffer
repeated consent violations.
After already being forced into the game in the first place!
#Post#: 31974--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abortion = Kindness?
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 17, 2026, 5:16 pm
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"what we're discussing is a preventative measure" (abortion)."
Preventing conception is the genuine preventive measure.
"I never denied that abortion would be a gamble. By forcing them
out of the game, they might never "lose", but they also won't
"win". You are denying that letting nature force them to stay in
is a gamble."
If it is a gamble either way, what are you complaining about?
"While you "wait" for their command, they'll have to suffer
repeated consent violations."
Again you sound like every tyrannical parent arguing that not
forcing their offspring to learn XYZ before they themselves ask
to learn it is equivalent to stealing from them.
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Re: Abortion = Kindness?
By: Aucontraire Date: January 17, 2026, 6:14 pm
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=3339.msg31974#msg31974
date=1768691770]
Preventing conception is the genuine preventive measure.[/quote]
So we shouldn't bother with others, when that is no longer
available?
Your insane arguments come off as desperation.
[quote]
If it is a gamble either way, what are you complaining
about?[/quote]
I could ask you the same question.
[quote]
Again you sound like every tyrannical parent arguing that not
forcing their offspring to learn XYZ before they themselves ask
to learn it is equivalent to stealing from them.
[/quote]
Interesting analogy.
Because you are the one worried about something (life) being
"stolen" from the child.
And are willing to let nature (and parents) force things on them
so they might have a chance to gain.
If you intend on keeping an infant in your care alive, you
yourself would have to repeatedly force things on them. Bathing,
changing, any required medical treatments, and birth itself.
Your choice is between 1 additional consent violation, and many.
Between 1 (if performed early) painless procedure, and many
painful, distressing, or uncomfortable ones.
Your fellow traveller Christian Bethel said Aryanists hate life,
but you seem to worship it!
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