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#Post#: 31944--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abortion = Kindness?
DIR By: Aucontraire
Date: January 14, 2026, 2:34 pm
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--- Quote from: christianbethel link ---
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> We hate life. We only live to complete our mission.
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Resentful attachment is still attachment.
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> Everything you just said is the opposite of what we believe
in.
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Yet you promote it anyway, even though criminalizing abortion
doesn't serve as a "means to an end" (unlike selective
conception).
#Post#: 31946--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abortion = Kindness?
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 14, 2026, 6:30 pm
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"The end (non-suffering) is their clear preference"
You say it is. Someone else says the opposite. Now what?
"Babies have no "choice" they can "pass to others" in the first
place. Nature is already choosing on their behalf, without their
consent."
If someone has been non-consensually locked inside a room with
presently no way to communicate with those outside, but a window
is timed to open tomorrow which will enable communication,
should we wait until tomorrow to hear how the prisoner wants us
to help, or should we release poison gas into the room today?
"Any intervention would be in violence which is already being
committed"
You are arguing that, because violence was already committed by
non-consensually locking the prisoner in the room, you are
entitled to release the poison gas without permission from the
prisoner.
#Post#: 31950--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abortion = Kindness?
DIR By: Aucontraire
Date: January 15, 2026, 2:32 pm
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
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> You say it is. Someone else says the opposite. Now what?
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Why should we value their unempathetic opinion?
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> If someone has been non-consensually locked inside a room with
presently no way to communicate with those outside, but a window
is timed to open tomorrow which will enable communication,
should we wait until tomorrow to hear how the prisoner wants us
to help, or should we release poison gas into the room today?
>
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- The individual will almost inevitably experience bouts of
unbearable panic, distress, and agony before they can
communicate their wishes
- The room contains extreme danger, requiring luck and effort to
avoid
- The release of poison gas is inevitable, and the only known
way to escape. You would only be releasing it sooner.
This is about your opinion, not mine. What would you choose and
why?
#Post#: 31952--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abortion = Kindness?
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 15, 2026, 4:48 pm
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"Why should we value their unempathetic opinion?"
OK, so now both sides each accuse the other of having an
unempathetic opinion. Now what?
"- The individual will almost inevitably experience bouts of
unbearable panic, distress, and agony before they can
communicate their wishes"
Someone else says the individual will experience excitement, joy
and pleasure. Now what?
"- The room contains extreme danger, requiring luck and effort
to avoid"
Someone else says the room contains extreme opportunity. Now
what?
"- The release of poison gas is inevitable, and the only known
way to escape."
We were inside the same room once. We were not poisoned. How
come we are now outside the room?
#Post#: 31957--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abortion = Kindness?
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: January 15, 2026, 9:37 pm
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> Resentful attachment is still attachment.
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It's not attachment, it's duty.
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> Yet you promote it anyway, even though criminalizing abortion
doesn't serve as a "means to an end" (unlike selective
conception).
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We would rather criminalize unregulation conception, as NRF
(90sRetroFan) has already stated.
#Post#: 31958--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abortion = Kindness?
DIR By: Aucontraire
Date: January 16, 2026, 3:50 pm
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
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> OK, so now both sides each accuse the other of having an
unempathetic opinion. Now what?
>
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I accuse you of valuing unempathetic opinions, now what?
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> Someone else says the individual will experience excitement,
joy and pleasure. Now what?
>
> Someone else says the room contains extreme opportunity. Now
what?
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Place your bet:
- Let them suffer in case the pleasure outweighs the pain
- End their suffering in case it doesn't
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> We were inside the same room once. We were not poisoned. How
come we are now outside the room?
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We were never inside their room (their life). We're inside our
own. The poison gas is already leaking in, slowly, decaying us.
#Post#: 31959--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abortion = Kindness?
DIR By: Aucontraire
Date: January 16, 2026, 4:01 pm
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--- Quote from: christianbethel link ---
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> It's not attachment, it's duty.
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Do unborn babies have a duty to live?
That's the meaningful distinction. Not semantics around your
personal reason to live.
#Post#: 31960--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abortion = Kindness?
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 16, 2026, 4:25 pm
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"I accuse you of valuing unempathetic opinions, now what?"
You should debate with the person whose opinion you accuse me of
valuing.
"Place your bet:
- Let them suffer in case the pleasure outweighs the pain
- End their suffering in case it doesn't"
Wait for their instruction.
"We were never inside their room (their life). We're inside our
own. The poison gas is already leaking in, slowly, decaying us."
If you would prefer it to leak more quickly into your own room,
I am sure you can find a way to make it happen. But you should
not get to decide how quickly it leaks into anyone else's room,
except those who have explicitly requested you alone to decide
for them.
#Post#: 31962--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abortion = Kindness?
DIR By: christianbethel
Date: January 16, 2026, 5:17 pm
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'Do unborn babies have a duty to live?'
Human beings that are already alive have a duty not to
reproduce.
#Post#: 31963--------------------------------------------------
Re: Abortion = Kindness?
DIR By: Aucontraire
Date: January 16, 2026, 5:49 pm
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
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> You should debate with the person whose opinion you accuse me
of valuing.
>
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Debating with unempathetic people won't make them empathetic.
Thankfully, most people understand a crying baby is usually
distressed or uncomfortable and needs relief.
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> Wait for their instruction.
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So, gamble on their suffering.
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> you should not get to decide how quickly it leaks into anyone
else's room, except those who have explicitly requested you
alone to decide for them.
>
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Pick one:
- A compassionate human decides, despite not being explicitly
requested to
- Nature decides, despite not being explicitly requested to
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