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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 17, 2023, 12:45 am
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Similar to what I have been saying:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYbiaSkSJxw
Woke (and specifically regressive!) comments:
[quote]Chinese civilisation and thoughts are very much indebted
by the transmission of Mahayana Buddhism from India since the
1st century. Indian Buddhist scholar monks were well sought by
the Chinese emperors to transmit their wisdom in order to
strengthen their empires. Now China preserved many of the
translated scriptures that the original Sanskrit version were
already lost.[/quote]
[quote]The Chinese & Indian civilizations have been around
thousands of years, contributing so much to the world. If only
both countries can reflect on their rich historical past to
overcome their adversarial politics for the betterment of both
nations.[/quote]
[quote]The British had left a deliberate mess wherever they were
ruling so that, as they calculated, they would be called or
meddled if there was any dispute. Now, we have become pawns or
victims to their game.[/quote]
[quote]The British Empire once planted seeds of discord in
colonies and will also want other ex- colonies and many
countries to fight against one another too.[/quote]
[quote]Nearly every conflict you look at ... there is European
colonial background to it[/quote]
[quote]In 2000 year of india and China history we have never
fought with each other , but only in 1962 india and China
relation become worst[/quote]
[quote]India and China are old civilizations. Both must address
each others concerns and issues and put to rest the 60 year
enmity. We had friendly relations for centuries, don't let the
last 60 years define our future.[/quote]
[quote]A great master from china explaining the peaceful
relations India had with china for almost 2000 years, which was
spoilt by east india company (British). Now we Indians and
Chinese needs to get back to our roots and establish a greater
friendship based on trust, exchange of ideas and keep all the
western powers at distance.[/quote]
[quote]India / China should look back into their historical
relationship & renew better relationship for both
countries[/quote]
Contrast with (progressive) Manju Baturu:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/arctic-alliance/msg19571/#msg19571
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/arctic-alliance/msg19581/#msg19581
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/arctic-alliance/msg19583/#msg19583
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/arctic-alliance/msg20171/#msg20171
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 25, 2023, 3:52 pm
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This is what we need:
HTML https://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-stresses-common-threats-security-093000527.html
[quote]China stresses common threats, security as it pushes for
Iran-Pakistan engagement
...
The dialogue is also aimed at bringing Pakistan and Iran
together to coordinate on the "growing militant activities on
the Pakistan-Iran border" - as a first step to strengthen trust
and prepare for a future quadrilateral dialogue, which also
involves Afghanistan, Khan added.
...
Khan admitted that despite mutual intent, working with the
Taliban government was "challenging" and further coordination
with the Kabul authorities would be "a medium and long-term
strategy" for Beijing.
...
"The security and stability of [Pakistan, Iran or neighbouring]
countries are closely related to China, as they are important,
if not core, countries of the Belt and Road Initiative and the
China-Pakistan Economic Corridor," said Yan.[/quote]
HTML https://www.shutterstock.com/image-illustration/flags-taliban-pakistan-iran-china-260nw-2200173065.jpg
History:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Persian_culture#History
[quote]With the presence of Muslim culture in the region in the
Ghaznavid period, Lahore and Uch were established as centres of
Persian literature. Abu-al-Faraj Runi and Masud Sa'd Salman (d.
1121) were the two earliest major Indo-Persian poets based in
Lahore. The earliest of the "great" Indo-Persian poets was Amir
Khusrow (d. 1325) of Delhi, who has since attained iconic status
within the Urdu speakers of the Indian subcontinent as, among
other things, the "father" of Urdu literature.
...
Persian as a language of governance and education was abolished
in 1839 by the British East India Company and the last Mughal
emperor Bahadur Shah Zafar, even if his rule was purely symbolic
or ceremonial, was dethroned in 1857 by the British.[/quote]
Pakistan's positive relations with both China and the US during
the Cold War era should be recalled as often as possible as a
way to restore the vision of America and China being on the same
side:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_Pakistan#Foreign_policy_of_Pakistan
[quote]China has played a significant role in the development,
economy and security of Pakistan, with relationship beginning in
1950 when Pakistan was among the first countries to enter into
official diplomatic relations with the Republic of China (on
Taiwan Island) and recognizes the People's Republic of China
(PRC) on Mainland China as the sole representative. Since then,
both countries have placed considerable importance on the
maintenance of an extremely close and supportive special
relationship[25][26] and the two countries have regularly
exchanged high-level visits resulting in a variety of
agreements. The PRC has provided economic, military, and
technical assistance to Pakistan, and each country considers the
other a close strategic ally.[27][28] [/quote]
[quote]The United States has played an important role in the
young history of Pakistan, being one of the first countries to
recognize their independence on 14 August 1947.[32] The
relationship between the two countries went through varying
levels of friendliness, but Pakistan consistently found
themselves on the United States side of issues faced during the
Cold War.[33][/quote]
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/military-decolonization/msg6761/#msg6761
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: guest98 Date: June 25, 2023, 4:43 pm
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HTML https://www.thestar.com/news/world/middleeast/2023/06/25/egypts-president-meets-with-visiting-indian-prime-minister-to-strengthen-ties.html
Egypt’s president gives highest honor to visiting Indian prime
minister as ties improve
[quote]
CAIRO (AP) — Egyptian President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi on Sunday
bestowed Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi with Egypt’s
highest honor as the two countries tightened their partnership.
El-Sissi welcomed Modi at the presidential palace in Cairo with
the Order of the Nile, the Egyptian presidency said in a
statement. The leaders signed a declaration elevating
Egyptian-Indo ties to a “strategic partnership,” which means the
two nations agreed to intensify their cooperation and hold
periodic talks, the statement said.
[/quote]
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 20, 2023, 8:33 pm
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Good work!
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvpZwTgonMs
Will more formerly colonized countries follow suit?
Embassies are a Western institution in the first place.
Non-Western countries practiced diplomacy for thousands of years
with one another without any need for embassies.
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 23, 2023, 6:35 pm
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This article gets the tone correct (it is about helping Iran
find a better deal than what it currently has!):
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-irans-unprecedented-military-ties-213901384.html
[quote]Less than a year ago, the White House was warning of
"unprecedented" military ties between Russia and Iran, but
today, there are signs of increasing friction, with Moscow
proving to be an unreliable partner.
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Iran expected to receive an unspecified number of Russian Su-35
jets, along with helicopters and even advanced S-400 air-defense
systems. Yet there is no indication Iran has received any
equipment or will receive any of it the foreseeable future.
Analysts expected Iran would receive at least 24 Su-35s —
aircraft Russia built for Egypt as part of an order that was
later canceled — in the near future, but in recent statements,
Iranian officials have gone from expressing optimism that the
first jets would arrive in a matter of months, if not weeks, to
making comments that suggest they are unsure if the jets will
arrive in the coming years.
In a damning report published on July 13, Tehran-based
journalist Saeed Azimi cited one current and one former Iranian
diplomat who, under condition of anonymity, told him that Iran
"fully paid" for 50 Su-35s during the second term of former
President Hassan Rouhani, who left office in August 2021.
While the figure of 50 Su-35s had not been disclosed prior to
Azimi's article, it fits with Iran's longstanding estimate that
it needs 64 new fighters to modernize its aging fleet, which is
mostly composed of US-made jets acquired before the 1979
revolution.
Moscow promised delivery of the Su-35s by 2023, which the
diplomats quoted by Azimi doubt will happen. "Iranian officials
feel embarrassment over Russia's failure to adhere to
commitments," Azimi wrote.
As if to add insult to injury, in July, Moscow backed a joint
statement by the Gulf Cooperation Council that supported the
United Arab Emirates' claim over Abu Musa, Greater Tunb, and
Lesser Tunb, three small but important islands in the Persian
Gulf near the Strait of Hormuz.
...
Interestingly, in response to Russia's move, Iranian state-run
media played down their partnership, saying it was merely
tactical and that Moscow is not a strategic ally.
...
Russia sold Iran only six relatively low-tech Su-25 attack
planes in the 2000s. In 2007, Iran signed an $800 million
contract for Russian S-300 air-defense systems, but Moscow
refused to deliver them for almost a decade, only transferring
them in 2016.
The UN arms embargo on Iran officially expired in October 2020,
leaving no international restrictions that Russia could use as a
pretext for refusing to deliver weapons for which Iran has
reportedly already paid.
With their partnership looking more and more one-sided, Iranians
may ask what they are getting militarily or politically from
aiding Russia.[/quote]
Now is the opportunity for the US to replace Russia as Iran's
arms supplier! This could be the beginning of the US
re-alignment to side with former victims of Western
colonization, eventually culminating in a US-Iran joint invasion
of Israel!
Woke comments:
[quote]Iran making deals with a deadbeat.[/quote]
[quote]All you have to do is look at Russia's record on
delivering similar promises to know you were going to get burned
the moment the ink was dry.[/quote]
[quote]russia never holds up its end of any deal. It is already
common knowledge. [/quote]
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: rp Date: August 6, 2023, 12:15 pm
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HTML https://youtu.be/MNInzq0YHwg
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 15, 2023, 6:06 pm
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HTML https://finance.yahoo.com/news/brics-currency-replacing-dollar-ridiculous-183341338.html
[quote]A BRICS currency replacing the dollar is a ‘ridiculous’
idea, says the top economist who named the group—unless China
and India become allies
...
For O’Neill, the unhealthy relationship between China and India
is one of the main reasons a BRICS common currency is so
unlikely.
...
“I often say to Chinese policymakers…forget your endless
historical battles and try to invite India to share the
leadership on some big issues, because then the world might take
you a bit more seriously.”
...
Harvard Business School’s Tarun Khanna wrote in the Harvard
Business Review in 2007 that there was “mutual respect and
admiration” for literally thousands of years, as the “Tea and
Horse Road” powered the development of two great civilizations.
...
“China and India can’t even really agree on basic things like a
peaceful border. I mean, how on earth can people seriously
believe these guys are going to introduce a shared currency?” he
said. “It’s amusing. Sorry. I just think it’s fanciful.”
In the short term, then, it seems O’Neill’s prediction is
accurate that a BRICS currency would be “ridiculous.” But
thousands of years of history could tell another story in the
long run.[/quote]
It would be easier if it was BICS.
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: rp Date: August 16, 2023, 1:08 pm
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I suspect Russia is deliberately trying to discourage good
relations between India and China by encouraging mistrust of
each other. This in turn allows Russia to act as the “savior”
for both countries.
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 16, 2023, 3:01 pm
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"mistrust"
Do you mean distrust as in ceasing to trust (c.f. disuse,
dislike, etc.) or do you really mean mistrust as in trusting
someone who shouldn't be trusted (c.f. misuse, mistake, etc.)?
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: rp Date: August 16, 2023, 8:19 pm
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Yes, distrust, sorry.
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