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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: guest78 Date: December 18, 2022, 6:20 pm
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Why is Africa turning away from the United States? | The Bottom
Line
[quote]Officials in the United States look upon Africans as
people “in need of help” or people who “need to be told what to
do”, and this is destroying relations between Africa and
Washington, according to the former African Union representative
to the US, Arikana Chihombori-Quao.
“The US needs to call a timeout and treat Africans with
respect,” Chihombori told host Steve Clemons, adding that the
US-Africa Leaders Summit hosted by the White House this week
“will fail unless Americans see Africans as equals".
Chihombori-Quao argues that pan-African unity is the only path
for the continent to be less dependent on outside
powers.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfLxnIqi4Uc
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 3, 2023, 9:17 pm
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If only this were true:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-gradually-being-overtaken-neighboring-124400809.html
[quote]According to Danilov, Russia may have new “owners” in the
future. However, he refused to specify whether the country he
was referring to was China.[/quote]
But Eurocentrist Xi refuses to do what is strategically sensible
as well as morally satisfying, and instead does what is
Eurocentrist:
[quote]Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi confirmed that Beijing
would “deepen strategic mutual trust and mutually beneficial
cooperation” with Russia.[/quote]
The comments show that literally everyone else by now can see
the correct move. The commenters' common mistake, however, is to
assume that Eurocentrist Xi can see it too, when in fact he
truly cannot because his Eurocentrism is blinding him:
[quote]If Russia were to somehow fall apart, Xi and the CCP
would definitely try to acquire landmass for the sake of
resources it needs.[/quote]
That's what Xi should do. But he will not do it.
[quote]well yeah... china is absolutely going to take over
eastern russia at the very least. russia is obviously going to
be powerless to stop them without a nuclear exchange.[/quote]
That's what China should do, which is not to be confused for
what it will actually do under Xi.
[quote]Gaining political control over Russia is a smart goal for
China given it's natural resources and Putin is making it
possible.[/quote]
Yes, it is a smart goal for China. But Xi is not smart.
[quote]Russia lost its best client, the EU, and now it will have
to fight so that China does not take advantage of the situation
and conquer Russia.[/quote]
Except Russia will not need to fight, precisely because Xi is
too Eurocentrist to take advantage of the situation and conquer
Russia.
[quote]The world already knows that China has Russia in its
hand. They could literally walk across the border and take
Russia by sheer numbers and there wouldn't be squat Putin could
do to stop them.[/quote]
Yes, but they won't walk across the border so long as Xi is
deciding things.
[quote]Historically, there are large parts of Russia that once
belonged to China and given that Putin has already stated that
that's one of the reasons he's invaded Ukraine, the Chinese
would be entitled to use the same excuse.[/quote]
Yes, but Xi is not the type of person who will bring this up.
[quote]China has 1.4 billion people, and Russia only has 164
million people. Siberia has only 43 million people, and Russia
showed China how they can take Siberia without firing a shot.
China is keeping Russia afloat and out of bankruptcy, so China
could turn on Russia and take Siberia at any time.[/quote]
It could, but it won't with Xi in charge.
[quote]I have been saying this since the start of the war. When
China invades Siberia, the world will not come to Russia's
aid[/quote]
So have I! But Xi will not make the move in the first place.
[quote]China should stop worrying about Taiwan and the South
Sea.
China could invade and annex The Far Eastern Federal District.
The area has less than 9 million people. It is too isolated
from Moscow to defend.
China would not have to worry about the United States
Navy.[/quote]
This is what I have been saying! But Xi lacks the will to do it.
[quote]China, Siberia is yours. Rightfully yours. How dare
Russia take it from you. Forget that Russians live there.In
fact, if you secretly send some men into Siberia, and then they
are attacked and persecuted, you can rightfully go into Siberia
with the purpose of protecting the Chinese-speaking
people.[/quote]
Exactly! But Xi lacks the will to do anything like that.
[quote] Look back in history, before 1860 Vladivostok (Chinese
name Haishenwai/ ( 永明城; Yǒngmíngchéng
) belonged to China.[/quote]
Yes, but Xi doesn't care!
[quote]The russian had annexed a lot of land from the Qing
dynasty under questionable means, the whole Siberia niryh
Manchuria and lands in central asia........[/quote]
Yes, but Xi doesn't care!
Etc. etc.
I sincerely wish I turn out to be wrong about this and the China
optimists turn out to be correct. But.....
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: SirGalahad Date: January 3, 2023, 11:13 pm
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@90sRetroFan I suspect that the friendship between China and
Russia has made the Chinese government way too soft to seriously
consider reclaiming territory from Russia. These are the kinds
of images that are gaining traction on Chinese social media:
HTML https://i.redd.it/ek1dgkjzvn9a1.jpg
From what I can gather, pro-CCP people legitimately believe that
Russia is part of the anti-western axis, despite the fact that
people like Putin openly cozy up with politicians like Viktor
Orban, Matteo Salvini, and Marine Le Pen. The way they portray
Russia in a heroic light is just bizarre, because it's clearly
not going to be the leftist haven that pro-CCP individuals want
China to be. I would understand if they simply saw Russia as the
lesser of two evils and therefore saw Russia as a much better
ally than the US in its current state, but the way these sorts
of people talk about and portray Russia in their propaganda
seems to hint at much more than that. Maybe I'm wrong though,
and the relationship really is just a begrudging one out of the
pro-CCP crowd's (justified) hatred for the West. If there's
anyone viewing this that happens to be from China or support
China's current ambitions or worldview, you're free to elaborate
on the pro-CCP non-Aryanist position on Russia
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 4, 2023, 12:36 am
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"pro-CCP people legitimately believe that Russia is part of the
anti-western axis, despite the fact that people like Putin
openly cozy up with politicians like Viktor Orban, Matteo
Salvini, and Marine Le Pen."
They use the term "Western" to mean Counterculture. Putin,
Orban, Salvini and Le Pen are all anti-Counterculture. It is
that simple.
"The way they portray Russia in a heroic light is just bizarre,
because it's clearly not going to be the leftist haven that
pro-CCP individuals want China to be."
They don't want China to be leftist - that's the point! Remember
this piece of shit?
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/china-and-united-states-relations/msg16164/#msg16164
"the way these sorts of people talk about and portray Russia in
their propaganda seems to hint at much more than that. Maybe I'm
wrong"
You are not wrong. They see Russia as the defenders of actual
Western civilization (which they call "civilization") against
the US which they believe represents Counterculture values
(which they call "Western"). They, in their terminology,
consider "New China" to be in need of "civilization", which
means rejecting "Western" influences. What they are actually
doing, in our terminology, is Westernizing by rejecting
Counterculture influences.
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: SirGalahad Date: January 4, 2023, 1:00 am
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Pretty much all of the pro-CCP individuals I've met online have
expressed distaste for Israel and denounced "American" racism
(so they at least have the correct position on tribalism, even
if they have a warped position on America itself), so I'd
classify such people as more false left than right wing. I'm not
surprised that there are people within the CCP like the man that
you linked in your comment who are obviously crypto-rightists,
but I feel like ambivalence and even support towards Russia is
more common in false left circles than you would expect. Black
Hammer, a small group that we've mentioned positively on both
the forums and on the blog, go even further than pro-CCP
Marxists by not just seeing Russia as an ally, but explicitly
supporting Russia's ambitions including its takeover of Ukraine.
Black Hammer members aren't even the only people I've seen
online who are like that. It's kind of a running theme within
fringe communist circles. I have no doubt that there are
communists who hate the ones currently licking Russia's boot,
but for some odd reason, fetishization of Russia isn't just a
thing in rightist circles.
TLDR: I disagree that these types would claim to like Viktor
Orban, Matteo Salvini, and Marine Le Pen. That's not my
impression at all from lurking in pro-CCP circles like r/Sino
and r/NewsWithJingjing
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: rp Date: January 4, 2023, 1:19 am
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Yes. You are correct that this is mostly a False Left attitude.
I would go so far as to say that the individual mentioned in the
post is also a False Leftist, as he is a machinist, and we know
"non-White" False Leftists are machinists.
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: SirGalahad Date: January 4, 2023, 1:22 am
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An addendum: I do agree with 90sRetroFan though, that a
significant chunk of these pro-CCP false leftists will shift
over to straight up rightism within the next few decades BECAUSE
of, as is referenced in your link, what Wang Huning calls the
Black Challenge. These false leftists, who usually go so far as
to claim to be radical leftists, praise China for its innovation
and the economic prosperity that they believe it is just
starting to enjoy because of the CCP's actions. They believe
that in these respects, it will continue to surpass the US. If
they want to keep this view on China while being intellectually
honest, they will have to end up dropping their anti-racist
stance. As time passes, it'll become harder and harder for a lot
of them to believe that non-westerners, and in particular other
non-whites, are as capable of managing the kind of civilization
they desire (a western one, even if they refuse to call it
that). Most of these people are BLM supporters for now, but
there will very likely be a Wang Huning-style divergence where a
lot of them give up on "black" Americans and "black" people as a
whole, leaving them to the wolves
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 4, 2023, 3:30 am
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"Black Hammer, a small group that we've mentioned positively on
both the forums and on the blog, go even further than pro-CCP
Marxists by not just seeing Russia as an ally, but explicitly
supporting Russia's ambitions including its takeover of
Ukraine."
My earlier critique of Black Hammer can be found here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/volunteer/black-hammer/msg6628/#msg6628
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/volunteer/black-hammer/msg6656/#msg6656
[quote]This is their worldview:
[quote] The colonizers have already lost the war of
ideas—Russia, Iran, China, and Colonized Nations all grow more
united by the day. The influence of amerikkkan empire is
slipping and its pathetic attempts to use the media as a
mouthpiece to soften our revolutionary fire is doomed to
fail.[/quote]
Are they unaware that Russia was a Western colonial power (not
to mention the one which has given back less of its stolen land
than any other Western colonial power following WWII)?
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/russia-the-last-colonial-empire/
America, on the other hand, can easily be reinterpreted as a
victim of colonialism, which is already occurring as we speak,
with Columbus Day being discarded in favour of Indigenous
People's Day, etc.. America's true geopolitical destiny is to
sincerely replace Russia's current insincere position as the
ally of China and Iran. This is what Black Hammer as a US-based
group should be working towards, not tearing down America out of
petty spite (as Dugin wants to see happen).[/quote]
Also recall:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/volunteer/black-hammer/msg6691/#msg6691
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: SirGalahad Date: January 4, 2023, 5:43 am
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Yeah, I remember this conversation. I just mentioned Black
Hammer because it’s almost a perfect example of the kinds of
people I was referring to in my earlier comments. They
definitely do not like the figureheads that Putin associates
with, but needlessly tie themselves in knots to justify Duginist
kowtowing anyways
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 11, 2023, 9:25 pm
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/news/china-cuts-deal-taliban-extract-151204470.html
[quote]The Taliban is cutting its first major energy extractions
agreement since taking control of Afghanistan in 2021, agreeing
to a 25-year pact with a Chinese company to drill for oil in the
country's Amu Darya basin.
"The Amu Darya oil contract is an important project between
China and Afghanistan," Wang Yu, the Chinese ambassador to
Afghanistan, said at a press conference in Kabul, according to a
BBC report last week.[/quote]
Congratulations! Let's rebuild the ancient friendship!
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afghanistan%E2%80%93China_relations#History_(Han_to_Qing)
[quote] In antiquity, the region that is now Afghanistan was
known for its devotion to Buddhism, which had been founded in
India in the 5th century BC. Chinese records from the Han
dynasty refer to Kabul as "Kao-fu", which is described as a
wealthy cite located in the Hindu Kush mountains on a strategic
location on the trade routes linking Central Asia to India.[5] A
Buddhist monk from what is now Afghanistan arrived in China in 2
BC and converted the first Chinese to Buddhism.[5] Afghanistan
was often visited by Chinese Buddhist pilgrims on their way to
India in antiquity, and Buddhist sites such as Balkh and the
Buddhas of Bamyan attracted many Chinese visitors.[5] Chinese
records credit craftsmen from Afghanistan with producing the
first glass in China between 424 and 428 AD, through
archaeological evidence suggests that glass was being produced
earlier in China.[5]
...
Religions such as Nestorian Christianity first reached China in
the Tang dynasty via Afghanistan, to be followed later by
Islam.[6]
The Church of the East Christians like the Bactrian Priest Yisi
of Balkh helped the Tang dynasty general Guo Ziyi militarily
crush the Sogdian-Turk led An Lushan rebellion, with Yisi
personally acting as a military commander and Yisi and the
Church of the East were rewarded by the Tang dynasty with titles
and positions as described in the Xi'an
Stele.[12][13][14][15][16][/quote]
Alliance between the ancient civilizations always comes back to
anti-Turanism!
For those who don't know:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Lushan_Rebellion
[quote]An Lushan was a general of uncertain birth origins, but
thought to have been adopted by a Sogdian father and Göktürk
mother of the Ashina tribe.[8][/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashina_tribe
[quote]According to some researchers (Duan, Xue, Tang, and Lung)
the Ashina tribe were descended from the Tiele
confederation,[19][20][21][22][23] who were likewise associated
with the Xiongnu.[24][25]
...
According to the Book of Zhou and History of the Northern
Dynasties, the Ashina clan was related to the "Yenisei
Kyrgyz",[68][69][d][e] who resided near the Pamir mountains and
are described as possessing red hair and blue eyes in the New
Book of Tang (Xin Tangshu 217b.6147), a description previously
used to describe the Wusun.[28] However according to Lee & Kuang
(2017), the Göktürks differed from the Qirghiz in their
physiognomy and "no comparable depiction of the Kök Türks or
Tiele is found in the official Chinese histories."[74] Lee &
Kuang state that the most likely explanation for the West
Eurasian physiognomy of the Yenisei Kirghiz is a high frequency
of the Eurasian Indo-European haplogroup R1a-Z93.[75]
Muqan Qaghan, the third Qaghan of the First Turkic Khaganate,
was described by Chinese authors as having an unusual
appearance. He had eyes like "colored glazes",[76][77] he had a
red complexion, and his face was wide.[78][79][/quote]
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