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Diplomatic decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 6, 2020, 2:59 am
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OLD CONTENT
www.dailymail.co.uk/mostread/article-6850095/Mexican-president-a
sks-Spain-apologize-actions-conquest.html
[quote]Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador has
demanded an apology from Spain and the Vatican for wrongs
committed against indigenous people during the Spanish conquest
500 years ago.
...
The Mexican leftist leader said the letter cited massacres that
took place during the Spanish conquest at the beginning of the
16th century.
'There were massacres and oppression,' said López Obrador from
the archaeological zone in the southeastern state of Tabasco.
'The so-called conquest was carried out with the sword and the
cross. They built their churches on top of the temples.'
While looking for a reconciliation with Spain, López Obrador
said his government would be publicly apologizing for the abuses
the indigenous people.
'I will also do it because after the colony there was a lot of
repression of the indigenous peoples,' he said.[/quote]
This is what I like to see! Bringing the Vatican into it is a
fine touch that demonstrates proper historical knowledge.
[quote]'López Obrador's letter is an intolerable offence to the
Spanish people,' said Alberto Rivera, head of the center-right
Ciudadanos party, in a tweet.
Pablo Casado, the head of Spain's main center-right opposition
party, said López Obrador's statement was an 'affront to Spain
and its history'.[/quote]
Spain should have thought about that before they decided to
colonize. But of course, being Westerners, they believe the
problem is not Western civilization doing evil, but its victims
actually daring to raise awareness of it. This attitude is the
same attitude that caused the colonial era, and as we can see,
nothing has changed.
Anyway, every former Western colony should follow suit! Spain's
other former colonies should find it especially easy to do so as
they can directly join in the call:
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5d/Spanish_Empire_and_Empire_of_Charles_V.svg/1280px-Spanish_Empire_and_Empire_of_Charles_V.svg.png
And don't forget, if only Spain had remained Andalus, none of
the stuff on the map would ever have happened. And if the
Spanish/Portugese Empires had not started things off, the other
colonial empires might not have followed either. Looking at it
this way, Andalus was in effect the portal guardian
[i]singlehandedly protecting the whole planet[/i] from the
horrors of the colonial era. As such, we should not only be
demanding apologies from the former colonial powers, but should
also be expressing gratitude to Andalus. Ultimately we should be
trying to restore Andalus, not only back to what it was, but all
the way to what it should have been.
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Someone has joined in!
www.lasexta.com/noticias/nacional/mezquita-ishbilia-sevilla-exig
e-que-rey-felipe-pida-perdon-reconquista_201903295c9e031f0cf221c
687040191.html
[quote]The Ishbilia mosque has published a post on Facebook
under the name of the Islamic Community itself and its
president, Yihad Sarasua, in expressing “the sentiments among
Spanish Muslims and those who for certain reasons, reside in
Spain, for the lack of conciliation between the Crown and the
heirs of the Andalusian legacy.
“Sir, being the King of Spain, I believe that the historical
moment has arrived to carry out the recognition of the vileness,
plunder, displacement and murders carried out by orders of the
Catholic kings and their most direct collaborators, which
culminated with the surrender of Granada and the breach of
everything subscribed to the Muslim community,” reads the
letter.
Besides, he adds that the Muslims were subjected to a “constant
persecution” that left “millions of dead”: “Never has existed
such a fierce persecution and eagerness to eliminate a religious
community, as was carried out by the old Spanish royalty in the
times of Felipe II, (an) extermination that culminated in the
War of the Alpujarres subsequent to the Pragmatic Sanction of
1567”.[/quote]
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news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d514f7767544e34457a6333566d54/index.html
[quote]Fazeli Nashli highlighted the need to understand each
other without the "Western go-betweens" while strongly
advocating for collaborative research.
"We [Asian civilizations] have similar cultural components. We
need to understand each other more because due to the modernity
we are very quickly passing from the old traditions to new
traditions," he said.
"Before we lose lots of other information, historical and social
backgrounds, archaeological background, we need more research
activities to establish joint projects, for example between
China and Iranian archaeologists, rather than Western scholars
telling us about each other," the Iranian archaeologist quipped.
"We need to understand each other because we have a long, long,
inter-relationship together dating back to 10,000 years ago. Why
in modern times we have to understand our histories from the
Western point of view?" he asked.
He recommended civilizational countries such as China, India,
Japan, Iran and also other Western, Central and East Asian
nations to open their academic facilities and resources for
joint research and preservation of archaeological monuments and
cities.
"We need more anthropological studies, ethnographic studies,
historical studies, archaeological studies to record lots of
information on past societies… Academic centers in different
countries need to be interconnected so that more scholars can
learn from each other," he proposed.[/quote]
OK, but in that case surely the first thing you need to do is
stop using the term "Asian", which itself is nothing but what
Westerners have told you that you are! (Or if you must use it,
at least put "" around it to show that you despise the term.)
Moreover, once you have understood that you are not "Asian", you
might realize that a grand decolonizing coalition has no reason
to be limited to "Asians", but can and should accomodate all
former victims of the Western colonial powers.
Here is a nice gesture, at least:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpCE40qv_uU
On the other hand, beware of our enemies who try to divide us by
offering some of us alliance with them in exchange for betraying
the rest of us:
vdare.com/articles/john-derbyshire-at-amren-the-arctic-alliance-
revisited
[quote]I divide the human race into Arctics and non-Arctics on
paleoanthropological grounds. So Arctics are those present-day
races whose remote ancestors inhabited the forests and tundra of
northern Eurasia—the whites and the yellows, to a first
approximation. In my book We Are Doomed I used the synonym “Ice
People.”
In the world today, the Arctics exhibit two characteristics that
separate them quite clearly from non-Arctics, or “Sun
People.”.[/quote]
FUCK YOU. We are Sun People.
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Interesting indie news report that spells out much of the above
mentioned here, albeit in video form.
Gaddafi was trying to introduce a new African currency before it
was -- surprise, surprise -- France that most supported in
ousting him.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42_-ALNwpUo
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www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkeys-president-praises-ties-with-ch
ina-14461
[quote]Maintaining momentum in relations between Turkey and
China is crucial to both the welfare of their peoples and
international stability, Turkish President Recep Tayyip
Erdoğan said, praising the mutual ties during an official
visit on July 2.
The president was welcomed by his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping
in Beijing before a tête-à-têtes meeting.
“I believe that Turkey and China have great potential for
strengthening cooperation,” Erdoğan said following the
meeting at Great Hall of the People.
“We are on the same page regarding President Xi’s approach to
the initiative, which is not only to improve transport and
communication networks, to construct trade corridors and to
harmonize trade policies and development strategies but also to
boost cultural and human ties in this framework,” he said in an
interview with Chinese state-run news agency Xinhua before the
meeting.
...
The Turkish president highlighted that Turkey is one of the
first countries to support China’s Belt and Road, an initiative
of regional development and creating new global trade routes.
“There is a natural harmony between our Middle Corridor
Initiative and China’s Belt and Road Initiative,” Erdoğan
said.
“This harmony allows us to cooperate with China in large
geographies such as Central Asia and Africa.”
...
“I believe that we will witness together how our relations will
be upgraded in all fields when we boost our consultations with
our Chinese friends.”
“Our strengthening bilateral cooperation promotes greater
interaction between our peoples and facilitates progress in the
area of tourism. China marked the Turkey Tourism Year in 2018
and hosted dozens of events around the country,” Erdoğan
said, voicing pleasure over the considerable rise in the number
of Chinese tourists visiting Turkey.[/quote]
This is especially encouraging because Turkey is a NATO country
while China is a NAM country. This is therefore a step towards
our proposed NATO-NAM merger.
Some commentators think Turkey improving its relationship with
China equates to Turkey worsening its relationship with the US,
but this presumes a diplomatically static US. Actually, there is
nothing to stop the US from taking Turkey's cue and improving
its relationship with China also (which is what we want).
authenticamericandream.blogspot.com/2018/03/countering-pacific-p
ivot.html
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[quote]Despite his panoramic historical review, Pagden is
selective in what he discusses, passing over what does not
support his argument. A case in point is Asia Minor, or today’s
Turkey. Indeed, he leaves out the Cold War altogether, so
important to understanding Turkey. Heir to the Ottoman Empire,
Turkey is a member of NATO and an ally of the United States. It
played an important role in the containment and ultimate defeat
of the Soviet Union. The same can be said about many other
Muslim countries that were also allies of the United States
against communism. Pagden is forced to neglect the Cold War
because it would undermine his attempt to draw a picture of the
Muslim world in perpetual conflict with the West.[/quote]
mepc.org/worlds-war-2500-year-struggle-between-east-and-west
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOE9-eTjI1I
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Iran demonstrates the correct approach to diplomacy with Western
states:
theiranproject.com/blog/2019/10/03/iran-calls-on-germany-to-stop
-support-for-criminal-israeli-regime/
[quote]The spokesman for the Iranian Foreign Ministry called on
Germany to end support for the criminal regime of Israel and to
live up to existing expectations of an effective and
constructive role in helping to create lasting peace and
stability in the region.
The Islamic Republic of Iran considers reducing tension in the
region to be possible only through serious confrontation of all
parties with destructive, meddlesome and inhumane actions of the
Zionist regime [of Isreal,]” Mousavi said.
The Iranian FM spokesman was referring to the devastating crimes
of the Zionist regime in Palestine, Lebanon, and Syria.
Mousavi further noted that the Islamic Republic of Iran will
continue to support the oppressed nations of the region,
including the Palestinian people, based on its adherence to
human and Islamic values.
In a statement, the German Foreign Office spokesman underscored
his country’s support for the Zionist regime of Israel and
called on Iran to be committed to maintaining peaceful relations
with the countries of the region and taking practical steps to
ease the tensions.[/quote]
For reference:
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All initiatives to promote positive relations between former
fellow colonized countries should be applauded:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kartarpur_Corridor
[quote]The Kartarpur Corridor (Punjabi/Urdu:
کرتارپور
راہداری‎,
Punjabi:
ਕਰਤਾਰਪੁਰ
ਲਾਂਘਾ) is a border corridor
between Pakistan and India, connecting the Sikh shrines of Dera
Baba Nanak Sahib (located in Punjab, India) and Gurdwara Darbar
Sahib (in Punjab, Pakistan). The corridor is intended to allow
religious devotees from India to visit the Gurdwara in
Kartarpur, 4.7 kilometres (2.9 miles) from the Pakistan-India
border, without a visa.[1]
The Kartarpur Corridor was first proposed in early 1999 by the
prime ministers of India and Pakistan, Atal Bihari Vajpayee and
Nawaz Sharif, respectively, as part of the Delhi–Lahore Bus
diplomacy.[2][3]
On 26 November 2018, the foundation stone was laid down on the
Indian side and after two days, on 28 November 2018, the
foundation stone on the Pakistani side was laid down by Prime
Minister of Pakistan, Imran Khan. The corridor was completed for
the 550th birth anniversary of Guru Nanak Dev on 12 November
2019.[4][/quote]
See also:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delhi%E2%80%93Lahore_Bus
[quote]The Delhi–Lahore Bus, officially known as Sada-e-Sarhad
(Hindi: सदा ए
सरहद, Translation: Call of the Frontier,
Urdu: صدائے
سرحد‎),[1] is a passenger bus
service connecting the Indian capital of Delhi with the city of
Lahore, Pakistan via the border transit post at Wagah. The
Routemaster bus number 10 was of symbolic importance to the
efforts of the governments of both nations to foster peaceful
and friendly relations.[2] In its inaugural run on 19 February
1999, the bus carried the then-Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari
Vajpayee, who was to attend a summit in Lahore and was received
by his Pakistani counterpart, Nawaz Sharif at Wagah.[1][2]
...
Despite suspension due to bilateral tensions, the Delhi-Lahore
bus remains a symbol of desired friendship between the two
nations.[3][5] Since its inception, the bus has frequently
carried trade delegations, diplomats and celebrities to both
nations, attracting much media coverage. In consideration of the
Indian national cricket team's tour of Pakistan in 2004, the
Pakistani government permitted 10,000 Indians to travel to watch
the cricket matches in Lahore; many of whom travelled via the
bus amidst great fanfare at the border; the gesture was
reciprocated the following year when the Pakistan national
cricket team toured India.[/quote]
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www.politico.eu/article/council-president-michel-tells-african-l
eaders-a-changed-europe-wants-new-ties/
[quote]"This changing Europe is looking at Africa with fresh
eyes — with respect, optimism and confidence," Michel said,
according to a transcript provided by his office.[/quote]
If so, perhaps you could start by ceasing to use the Eurocentric
term "Africa", a term which was never used by the local people
themselves prior to the colonial era.
[quote]"I am here today to bear witness to a metamorphosis of
this continent but also that of Europe," Michel said. "Your
northern neighbor is changing. I am here tonight to speak for 27
European countries. Twenty-two of them never had any colonies. A
new generation of leaders is coming to power. They are not
hampered by the burden of nostalgia."
...
It was unclear which five EU countries Michel was referring to
as former colonizers, as Belgium, France, Germany, Italy, the
Netherlands, Portugal and Spain all had colonies in Africa, as
did the U.K., which left the EU at the end of last
month.[/quote]
This is not funny anymore.
OK, there are indeed some EU countries that did not participate
in colonialism. But do these countries feel sentimentally closer
to the former victims of colonialism than to the former colonial
powers? In practice, do they support the former victims of
colonialism seeking accountability from the former colonial
powers? If so, we applaud them. But if not, and on the contrary
they defend the colonial powers from being held accountable for
their pasts, then they too are part of the problem.
[quote]The issue of Europe's colonization of Africa remains a
highly sensitive subject. Last year, when Michel was still the
Belgian prime minister, a United Nations working group issued a
report that found "endemic racism" in the country's government
institutions that it traced to its colonial past. The working
group issued a long series of recommendations that included
urging Belgium to "issue an apology for the atrocities committed
during colonization."
The Belgian government issued a response in which it
acknowledged modern-day racism but disputed the direct link to
colonialism, calling it "an oversimplification."[/quote]
Fuck you.
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This on its own is good:
www.aa.com.tr/en/health/china-to-continue-assisting-iran-against
-coronavirus/1766434
[quote]China will continue to provide "as much assistance as it
can" to Iran to curb the coronavirus outbreak, the country’s
president said Saturday.
Xi Jinping said China offered Iran a batch of anti-epidemic
supplies and sent a team of voluntary health experts to Iran,
state-run Xinhua news agency reported.[/quote]
On the other hand:
www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/china-sends-essential-coronavirus
-supplies-italy-200313195241031.html
[quote]A planeload of medical supplies, including masks and
respirators, has arrived in Italy from China to help the
European country deal with its growing coronavirus crisis.
...
A team of nine Chinese medical staff arrived late on Thursday
with some 30 tonnes of equipment on a flight organised by the
Red Cross Society of China.[/quote]
Has China forgotten so quickly about this?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_concession_of_Tientsin
In context, for China to treat a former colonial power (which
additionally has only recently been watching refugees drown
every day without helping) as well as it treats Iran is actually
an insult to Iran.
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Good:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8TJfOZV6-A
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmoGPXY_zxI
Bad:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0oxcoh9rDo
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concessions_in_Tianjin#Belgian_concession_.281902.E2.80.931931.29
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWcTx9ip_Qk
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxer_Protocol
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAzQrtUcBeA
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concessions_in_Tianjin#Austro-Hungarian_concession_(1901%E2%80%931917)
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"I think the leader, Xi Jinping would rather get good reputation
from the world for China."
My point is that, when we see China help Western countries
(without attaching conditions that function to make them less
Western), we should speak badly of China for doing so, thus
ensuring that China fails to get good reputation for such
actions.
We must often remind people that whatever quantity of help China
gives to Western countries is a quantity of help that could have
been (but now is not) going to other non-Western countries
(which probably need it more), instead going yet again to
countries that already stole so much from China (and from other
non-Western countries!) during the colonial era.
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I agree. We should do the same for Iran. The current foreign
minister is particularly annoying, always seeking clout from
Westerners, effectively behaving as though he is some status
seeking “non white” high school teenager. This is unbecoming of
any proper statesman, let alone a high level government
official.
It is also no coincidence that such actions are praised by Jews.
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"So is China Western or non Western?"
Still non-Western overall for now (hence my wording "other
non-Western countries" when referring to countries that China
should concentrate on helping), but in danger of Westernization
if it is not careful.
Unfortunately, it is comically Eurocentric:
whenonearth.net/11-fake-european-towns-landmarks-made-china/
This sickness is what we are here to cure.
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 6, 2020, 3:01 am
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OLD CONTENT contd.
"Could it have anything about the Qing Dynasty was a Manchurian
dynasty instead of being a Han one?"
But the Italian concession was held until 1947, and the Belgian
concession until 1931, whereas the Qing dynasty fell in 1911.
Nor did Spain give back to post-1911 China the money it stole
from the Qing dynasty.
Moreover, the Qing dynasty itself had ceased to be racist long
ago:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yongzheng_Emperor
[quote]Ethnicity in Qing China could vary depending on where one
was from even locally in China. This ethnic separation along
with the booming population led to reduced access to the Civil
Service Examinations based on ethnicity and locality. The
Yongzheng emperor, in an attempt to allow for as many people to
take the Civil Service Examination as possible, set up special
exams for people in rural China. These special exams were called
Miao exams and were located in Yunnan. In the 1730s, landholding
shed people such as the Hakka were still not allowed to take the
exams, Yongzheng made it legal for these people to take the
exams in an attempt to dispel anger at being excluded from the
exams.[13][/quote]
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My warning to China against their sending aid to former colonial
powers has been vindicated now that they are accusing China of
sending faulty equipment.
If you send them equipment, they can deliberately damage it
off-camera and then claim it was already damaged on arrival,
thus both wasting the equipment itself and giving them an easy
way to frame you.
If you don't send them equipment, you both save the equipment
(which you could then send to those who actually need it most
ie. formerly colonized countries) and give them no opportunity
to frame you.
I hope China has learned its lesson about how (not) to interact
with Westerners. As if the colonial era had not been enough?
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Here is a commendable initiative: a CGTN channel in Arabic
language. Why should formerly colonized peoples be limited to
using the languages of our common colonizers when we talk to one
another? We should also learn and use one another's languages,
just like we did in ancient times before Western civilization
turned up and ruined everything.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlGj1RdUHUM
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOzVmbx_qkE
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This is how we need to talk to Westerners:
www.yahoo.com/news/iran-says-germany-face-consequences-over-hezb
ollah-ban-075320755.html
[quote]Tehran (AFP) - Iran has slammed Germany's ban on the
activities of Lebanon's Hezbollah movement on its soil, saying
it would face consequences for its decision to give in to
Israeli and US pressure.
Germany branded Hezbollah a "Shiite terrorist organisation" on
Thursday, with dozens of police and special forces storming
mosques and associations across the country linked to the
Lebanese militant group.
In a statement issued overnight, Iran's foreign ministry said
the ban ignores "realities in West Asia".
The Islamic republic said the move was based solely on the goals
of the "propaganda machine of the Zionists and America's
confused regime".
It "strongly" condemned the decision it said showed "complete
disrespect to the government and nation of Lebanon, as Hezbollah
is a formal and legitimate part of the country's government and
parliament".[/quote]
I especially like the reference to "America's confused regime".
This implies that America has the potential to become unconfused
and hence side with Hezbollah against Israel (and Western
civilization more broadly).
Just one thing, stop with the Eurocentric "West Asia" label. Use
either "Middle East":
HTML https://multichannelmerchant.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/middleeastimage.jpg
or, if you want to be cool, "Seven Seas":
HTML https://i.ytimg.com/vi/O1xHV9Pos1Y/maxresdefault.jpg
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More, please!
www.gatestoneinstitute.org/16003/iran-venezuela-ties
[quote]Iran has been bypassing US sanctions amid the coronavirus
crisis, and strengthening its ties with Venezuela.
Reports recently revealed that in the last week of April alone,
the sanctioned Iranian airline, Mahan Air, with ties to Iran's
Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), made several flights
to the South American nation. Reportedly, the Iranian regime
delivered "parts, technicians, and gasoline additives to fix a
major refinery in Venezuela," and received nine tons of gold
bars in return.
...
Tehran has not only been using Venezuela for military
cooperation, but also, it seems, to advance its nuclear program.
Venezuela has been accused of covertly assisting Iran with the
production of raw material for nuclear weapons as well as
ballistic missiles. In recent years, Iran and Venezuela have
also signed several military and industrial agreements.
The ruling mullahs in Iran appear have been using Venezuela as
part of a larger agenda for increasing Iran's influence and the
presence of its proxies in Latin and North America.
The US, in fact, has evidently become increasingly concerned
about Hezbollah's presence in Venezuela. Ambassador Nathan
Sales, Coordinator for Counterterrorism at the State Department,
said recently:
"We're concerned that Maduro has extended safe harbor to a
number of terrorist groups, the ELN [National Liberation Army]
in particular, but also FARC [the Revolutionary Armed Forces of
Colombia] dissidents who rejected the peace accord, as well as
supporters and sympathizers of Hezbollah."
It is worth recalling that as early as 1992, Hezbollah, under
Iranian control, was reportedly behind the bombing of the
Israeli embassy in Argentina. Twenty-three people were killed
and nearly 250 injured. Again, in 1994, Hezbollah, under the
direction of Iran, bombed the headquarters of the Asociación
Mutual Israelita Argentina (AMIA). That attack killed 85 people
and injured hundreds more.
In addition, Venezuela has granted more than 173 passports to
radical Islamists, according to the Washington-based Center for
a Secure Free Society (SFS), in a report entitled, "Canada on
Guard: Assessing the Threat of Iran, Venezuela, and Cuba to
Immigration Security." The passports are able to be used for
travel to North America and Europe.
Iran, from perspective of its regime, can more effectively
damage US national interests as well as undermine the West on
the global stage by partnering with other anti-Western states.
Iran's former President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad pointed out:
"We [non-Western governments] have to develop a proper
cooperation among the developing nations in order to wriggle
ourselves from the domination of the western powers. And this
effort is going on among the independent developing nations
today. We have to establish a collective effort with a view to
create [sic] a new international independent economic system
that should be on the basis of justice."[/quote]
And the best possible move by the US is to see itself as a
non-Western state also, and join in the anti-Western coalition!
This is what we are here to promote.
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HTML https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/05/15/625425/Iranian-fuel-en-route-to-Venezuela-despite-US-sanctions
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_R9TaPWyPhQ
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[quote]China is boosting medical aid to African countries
fighting COVID-19. It has dispatched necessary supplies and
equipment to countries such as Tanzania and Algeria. Egypt
received a third batch of donations on Saturday. In Algeria,
medical experts gave prevention guidance for employees at a
Chinese firm in the capital Algiers. The Africa Center for
Disease Control and Prevention has commended its Chinese
counterpart for their efforts.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mty2ebGSqk
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[quote]China and Japan have been supporting each other during
the COVID-19 pandemic and that truly reflects good
neighborliness, Guo Weimin, spokesperson for the third session
of the 13th National Committee of the Chinese People's Political
Consultative Conference (CPPCC), said during a video conference
on Wednesday when answering a question from the Japanese media.
He said Chinese President Xi Jinping will pay a state visit to
Japan at an appropriate time.[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nP0WwL1mAgI
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How to tell Trump to STFU:
www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/india-doubles-down-on-rejectio
n-of-trump-s-offer-to-mediate-on-standoff-with-china/story-BCm5j
0Nly8mo9oimko4JEL.html
[quote]The Indian government on Friday doubled down on its
rejection of US President Donald Trump’s offer to mediate on the
border standoff with China, with people familiar with
developments dismissing the American leader’s contention he had
discussed the face-off with Prime Minister Narendra Modi.
...
The clarification came hours after Trump reiterated his offer to
mediate between India and China to resolve a standoff between
the border troops of the two countries during a briefing at the
White House early on Friday (Indian time).
The external affairs ministry had on Thursday tacitly rejected
Trump’s initial offer to mediate, made through a tweet on
Wednesday, by saying India is directly engaged with China to
peacefully resolve the standoff.
...
“Yesterday [Thursday], the external affairs ministry had made it
clear that we are directly in touch with the Chinese through
established mechanisms and diplomatic contacts,” the person
added.
This is the second time that New Delhi has called out such a
claim by Trump regarding mediation between India and another
country. In July 2019, India had dismissed Trump’s remarks, at a
joint news briefing along with Pakistan Prime Minister Imran
Khan, that Modi had asked him to help resolve the Kashmir
issue.[/quote]
Looking ahead:
www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-05/28/c_139094747.htm
[quote]"We should adhere to the basic judgment that China and
India are each other's opportunities and pose no threat to each
other. We need to see each other's development in a correct way
and enhance strategic mutual trust," he said.
"We should correctly view our differences and never let the
differences shadow the overall situation of bilateral
cooperation," he said, adding that at the same time, the two
countries should gradually seek understanding through
communication and constantly resolve differences.
...
Noting this year marks the 70th anniversary of the establishment
of diplomatic relations between China and India, Sun said as two
major emerging economies, China and India should strengthen
practical cooperation in investment, production capacity and
other fields, and expand the cake of common interests.
...
Sun hoped the youth of China and India will contribute more
wisdom and strength to promoting China-India friendship and the
development of bilateral relations.
The Chinese envoy urged Indian youth to actively voice their
support for China-India friendship, and called on all parties to
make concrete efforts to implement the consensus reached by
leaders of the two countries.
...
Chairman of Confederation of Young Leaders (CYL) Himadrish Suwan
from the Indian side hosted the webinar. More than 70 youth
representatives from all over India and journalists from Indian
and Chinese media were present. [/quote]
---
Solidarity:
www.jpost.com/middle-east/ali-khamenei-reacts-to-george-floyd-pr
otests-tweets-black-lives-matter-629677
[quote]Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei responded to
the US race protests, tweeting that "if you're dark-skinned
walking in the US, you can't be sure you'll be alive in the next
few minutes."
In a tweet appealing to the American Left, Khamenei spoke about
the US economic issues and the killing of 46-year-old George
Floyd who was choked to death by a police officer in
Minneapolis, Minnesota.
...
"In the US, for every $100 of white families' wealth,
African-American families only [make] $5. While African
Americans make up 9% of the population of Los Angeles, they
comprise one third of the homeless in LA."
The Islamic Republic's leader added that "in the year 2015,
unemployment rate in the US was 10.4% for blacks and 4.7% for
whites. Life expectancy in the US [is] 71 years for blacks [and]
76 years for whites."
...
Appealing to African-Americans, Khamenei said the "question of
racism has not been solved yet in the country that claims to
support freedom and human rights. A human, for his black skin,
has no reassurance to in society, if indeed, a police officer
can beat him to death because of his colored skin."
The ayatollah continued, saying, "How can they claim to support
human rights? Despite the fact that African Americans represent
only 13% of the American society, 25% of the victims of police
brutality are black."[/quote]
www.presstv.com/Detail/2020/05/29/626374/Iran-US-George-floyd-Af
rican-Americans-police-brutality
[quote]The Iranian Foreign Ministry has strongly denounces
rampant bloodshed of African-Americans in the United States and
the country’s suppression of the protests that have followed the
recent grisly murder of a black man by a white police officer in
Minneapolis.
“Iran regrets the tragic murder of black Americans, denounces
deadly racial profiling in the United States & urges authorities
to do justice for every case,” the ministry said in a tweet on
Friday.
...
The Iranian Foreign Ministry said, “The protesters' voice must
be heard. In doing so, suppressing the suffering Americans &
press freedom must URGENTLY be stopped.”
Earlier, Ministry Spokesman Abbas Mousavi had also said that the
“brutal killing” of Floyd ”in cold blood” was “a harrowing
demonstration of systematic racism and white supremacism.”
He had regretted that such racism and white supremacy that has
enabled Floyd’s murder were being “glorified by the current [US]
administration.”
Iranian people, meanwhile, held a gathering in the northwestern
holy city of Mashhad, mourning Floyd’s death and lighting up
candles in his memory.[/quote]
What was colonialism if not 500 years of white supremacists'
knees on all our necks?
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This is what happens when there is no coordination between
non-Western countries:
nationalinterest.org/blog/skeptics/why-did-china-and-iran-take-o
pposite-sides-america%E2%80%99s-protests-159406
[quote]“We deeply regret to see the American people, who
peacefully seek respect and no more violence, are suppressed
indiscriminately and met with outright violence,” said Iranian
foreign ministry spokesman Abbas Mousavi in an English video
message released on Monday. “The world has heard your outcry.”
...
But the Global Times, a newspaper run by China’s ruling
Communist Party, seemed to bash the protests as it portrayed
American and Chinese dissenters alike as a lawless horde.
“The Chinese government has not shown any support for the riots
in the U.S. I hope that Americans notice Beijing’s restraint,”
said Global Times editor-in-chief Hu Xijin in a video message.
“Burning police stations, blocking roads, smashing shops, and
destroying public facilities in Minneapolis and other places are
exactly the same violence in the Hong Kong
demonstrations.”[/quote]
WTF? Well, here is the answer:
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/01/mr-president-dont-go-hid
e-china-goads-us-over-george-floyd-protests
[quote]Zhao also retweeted numerous comments and reports on the
protests, including from Russia’s deputy representative to the
UN, accusing the US of double standards. “Why US denies China’s
right to restore peace and order in HK while brutally dispersing
crowds at home?” said Dmitry Polyanskiy.[/quote]
China needs to follow Iran, not Russia (one of its colonizers
FFS!). Or else it will keep walking into one propaganda
embarassment after another.
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Japan shows some spine:
www.yahoo.com/news/japan-declines-join-u-others-095846083.html
[quote]TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan has decided not join the United
States, Britain and others in issuing a statement scolding China
for imposing a new security law, Kyodo news agency reported on
Sunday, citing officials from countries involved.
The United Kingdom, the U.S., Australia and Canada condemned
China on May 28 for imposing a law that they said would threaten
freedom and breach a 1984 Sino-British agreement on the autonomy
of the former colony.[/quote]
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 6, 2020, 3:26 am
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OLD CONTENT contd.
All part of the Duginist plan:
www.fort-russ.com/2020/06/major-india-to-make-an-emergency-purch
ase-of-33-russian-fighter-jets-to-counter-china/
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2brKxT0gUU
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"I have seen comments on India vs China videos from Russians who
say they are in “solidarity” with India."
And you can be quite sure that there is no shortage of Indian
Eurocentrists who are flattered by the solidarity. Ugh.....
Our propaganda approach should emphasize the pre-colonial-era
peaceful and friendly relations between India and China (you
know, back when Russia didn't even exist yet):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China–India_relations#Early_history
[quote]The first records of contact between China and India were
written during the 2nd century BCE. Buddhism was transmitted
from India to China in the 1st century CE.[30] Trade relations
via the Silk Road acted as economic contact between the two
regions.
China and India have also had some contact before the
transmission of Buddhism. References to a people called the
Chinas, are found in ancient Indian literature. The Indian epic
Mahabharata (c. 5th century BCE) contains references to "China",
which may have been referring to the Qin state which later
became the Qin dynasty.
...
In the Records of the Grand Historian, Zhang Qian (d. 113 BCE)
and Sima Qian (145–90 BCE) make references to "Shendu", which
may have been referring to the Indus Valley (the Sindh province
in modern Pakistan), originally known as "Sindhu" in Sanskrit.
When Yunnan was annexed by the Han dynasty in the 1st century,
Chinese authorities reported an Indian "Shendu" community living
there.[31]
...
From the 1st century onwards, many Indian scholars and monks
travelled to China, such as Batuo (fl. 464–495 CE)—first abbot
of the Shaolin Monastery—and Bodhidharma—founder of Chan/Zen
Buddhism—while many Chinese scholars and monks also travelled to
India, such as Xuanzang (b. 604) and I Ching (635–713), both of
whom were students at Nalanda University in Bihar. Xuanzang
wrote the Great Tang Records on the Western Regions, an account
of his journey to India, which later inspired Wu Cheng'en's Ming
dynasty novel Journey to the West, one of the Four Great
Classical Novels of Chinese literature.
...
Tamil dynasties[edit]
...
The Cholas maintained good relationship with the Chinese. Arrays
of ancient Chinese coins have been found in the Cholas homeland
(i.e. Thanjavur, Tiruvarur and Pudukkottai districts of Tamil
Nadu, India).[32]
Under Rajaraja Chola and his son Rajendra Chola, the Cholas had
strong trading links with Chinese Song dynasty.[33][34][35] The
Chola navy conquered the Sri Vijaya Empire of Indonesia and
Malaysia and secured a sea trading route to China.[33]
Many sources describe Bodhidharma, the founder of the Zen school
of Buddhism in China, as a prince of the Pallava dynasty.[36]
Tang and Harsha dynasties[edit]
...
During the 8th century, the astronomical table of sines by the
Indian astronomer and mathematician, Aryabhatta (476–550), were
translated into the Chinese astronomical and mathematical book
of the Treatise on Astrology of the Kaiyuan Era (Kaiyuan
Zhanjing), compiled in 718 CE during the Tang Dynasty.[37] The
Kaiyuan Zhanjing was compiled by Gautama Siddha, an astronomer
and astrologer born in Chang'an, and whose family was originally
from India. He was also notable for his translation of the
Navagraha calendar into Chinese.[/quote]
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In this context, there should be no difficulty in deriding
Western attempts to set the two countries against each other,
especially in light of the Western history of colonizing both
countries (plus many others in the region!).
www.picfa.in/
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Correlations there are indeed:
“Support democracy movements”
This from a self proclaimed Indian “nationalist”
WTF? India should try to emulate China’s non-democratic style of
governance! After all, is India not a non-Western country? At
least the current PM is willing to collaborate diplomatically
with fellow non-Western nations...
Here’s another gold one:
>Quotes Winston Fucking Churchill of all people
>Expects to be taken seriously
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us.yahoo.com/news/trump-superfan-burns-posters-chinese-110000817
.html
[quote]A man burns posters of the Chinese leader, Xi Jinping, in
southern India to boycott China-made products after 20 soldiers
were martyred in a violent face-off with Chinese troops in
Ladakh's Galway valley on June 15, 2020. The video was filmed in
Jangaon, Telangana on June 19, 2020. The video shows the man
identified as Bussa Krishna and is burning the posters of the
Chinese leader. Further in the video, he can be seen stomping on
the poster while thrashing it with his shoes. He is allegedly
known as the 'Trump Super Fan.' He previously erected a
life-size statue of Donald Trump when he visited India.[/quote]
#Post#: 137--------------------------------------------------
Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 6, 2020, 3:29 am
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China has found the correct narrative for de-escalating tensions
with India:
[quote]The China-India border line was created by the UK,
leaving many problems for both countries[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MjPBIDeLJA
Just brilliant.
HTML https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6LLGcBvFQh8/maxresdefault.jpg
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 15, 2020, 2:33 am
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HTML https://us.yahoo.com/news/lebanon-looks-china-us-arabs-060358312.html
[quote]In recent months, the Lebanese pound has lost around 80%
of its value against the dollar, prices have soared
uncontrollably, and much of its middle class has been plunged
into poverty. Talks with the International Monetary Fund for a
bailout have faltered, and international donors have refused to
unlock $11 billion pledged in 2018, pending major economic
reforms and anti-corruption measures.
Left with few choices, Prime Minister Hassan Diab’s government —
supported by the Iran-backed Hezbollah and its allies — is
seeking help from China, an approach that the Shiite militant
group strongly supports.[/quote]
I strongly support this approach also.
[quote]He said China has offered to help end Lebanon’s
decades-long electrical power crisis through its state
companies, an offer the government is considering.
In addition, Beijing has offered to build power stations, a
tunnel that cuts through the mountains to shorten the trip
between Beirut and the eastern Bekaa Valley, and a railway along
Lebanon’s coast, according to the official and an economist.
The U.S., which has historic relations with Lebanon and is a
strong backer of its army, said such a move could come at the
expense of Beirut’s relations with Washington.[/quote]
My advice would be to totally ignore the Trump administration
and hope that things can be patched up later under a Biden
administration.
[quote]Hezbollah has advocated for a bigger role for China and
other allies in Lebanon. The group had opposed an IMF program to
get Lebanon out of its crisis, fearing it would come with
political conditions. But it begrudgingly accepted that Lebanon
engage in the negotiations as long as the IMF didn't dictate
policy.
Seventeen rounds of talks between the government and the IMF
since mid-May have failed to make any progress.
...
Moukalled, who visited China several times in 2018 and 2019,
said the projects that China has offered to work on are worth
$12.5 billion.
The investments can be mutually beneficial. China can gain from
close relations with Lebanon, with the country serving as a
launch pad for the reconstruction of neighboring Syria, another
Beijing ally.[/quote]
Yes!
HTML https://www.beltandroad.new
s/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/8702574824507020.jpg
This is also a good way to encourage China to eventually cease
to recognize Israel.
[quote]Russian Ambassador Alexander Zasypkin told the daily
al-Joumhouria that Russia, China, Syria, Iran and Iraq can help
Lebanon. He added that when the West refused, “the alternative
to look east became more persistent.”[/quote]
Russia needs to STFU. It does not speak for China, Syria, Iran
and Iraq, and to act as though it does is extremely rude. It is
itself a Western country, a former colonial power which has yet
to return many of the lands it has stolen. One day we need to
cut Moscow from the Belt & Road:
HTML https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Fgreatspeculations%2Ffiles%2F2018%2F09%2Fcomm-mapping-the-belt-and-road-initiatives-progress-08312018-e1536080587677.jpg
and then choke out Russia with it.
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: rp Date: July 15, 2020, 9:15 am
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"former colonial power"
Could we say that Russia practiced non-imperial colonialism? I
see many False Leftists (and Duginists) defend Russia's actions
from an "anti-imperialist" point of view.
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Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 15, 2020, 3:02 pm
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"Could we say that Russia practiced non-imperial colonialism?"
No:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/alaska/
#Post#: 328--------------------------------------------------
Re: Diplomatic decolonization
By: rp Date: July 15, 2020, 3:15 pm
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"No"
Which begs the question, is there even such a thing as
"non-imperial colonialism"?
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Re: China and United States Relations
By: guest5 Date: July 21, 2020, 10:46 pm
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China & Iran reach historic deal, US freaks out
[quote]China and Iran have agreed to a broad-ranging 25-year
economic and military deal with worldwide implications and in
defiance of US geopolitical interests. RT’s Paula Slier shares
the details. Then Amb. Majid Takht Ravanchi, Iranian ambassador
to the UN, joins Rick Sanchez for an exclusive interview to
share his insights on the deal. He also weighs in on Iran’s
fraught relationship with the US and Israel, Tehran’s role in
the region, and other pressing issues facing his country.
[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBH1T4F94rU
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Re: China and United States Relations
By: guest5 Date: July 23, 2020, 9:17 am
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The Point: Why are media outlets making China-Iran cooperation
sound so scary?
[quote]In this week's Headline Buster, we'll look at recent
media reports on China-Iran cooperation, as news of a potential
25-year pact between the two countries emerges. Although neither
side has confirmed the pact, some media outlets have jumped on
the news, focusing more on perceived threats than pragmatism.
Some articles argue a deal would be more about defying the U.S.
than mutually benefiting the two countries. Others suggest Iran
is being pushed into China's arms, against its will. Why are
media portraying this long-term partnership as a new
menace?[/quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlSBhaKEONU
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