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Re: Progressive Faustianism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 9, 2025, 10:45 pm
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"But that was after the Meiji era:"
From your link:
[quote]Japanese nobility, including both men and women, often
applied white lead powder to their faces prior to the Meiji
restoration.[69][/quote]
"when “whites” expand on it, the Eurocentrists follow along."
But such "whites" may be non-Faustians and/or non-progressives.
That's why I brought up the example of something as banal as
running a red light.
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Re: Progressive Faustianism
By: HikariDude Date: September 10, 2025, 7:37 am
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“But such "whites" may be non-Faustians and/or
non-progressives.”
Isn’t Faustianism the desire to be the first, while
progressivism being the belief in progress? Both of which
motivated by expansion? I understand how skin brightening
predates the colonial era hence not much Faustian or
Progressive, but wasn’t it further expanded via colonialism?
“something as banal as running a red light.”
Well someone was probably the first to cross it. Even if it is
not innovative enough, skin care has progressed more than how
one runs a red light. Hasn’t it?
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Re: Progressive Faustianism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 10, 2025, 4:34 pm
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"Isn’t Faustianism the desire to be the first, while
progressivism being the belief in progress?"
Yes and yes.
"Both of which motivated by expansion?"
I would say expansion is an eventual consequence of either, but
an individual Faustian or individual progressive may not be
consciously thinking about expansion when they do their stuff.
Still, none of the above implies:
[quote]You have to be a Faustian and a Progressive for colonized
Eurocentrists to follow along.[/quote]
Why can a "white" not be only a Faustian but not a progressive,
or only a progressive but not a Faustian, or even neither a
Faustian nor a progressive, and still have "non-white"
Eurocentrist followers?
"Well someone was probably the first to cross it."
Yes, but every red light runner we see today is not the first to
run a red light! They do what they do not because they are
Faustians but because they are either 'sovereign citizens' (who
think rules do not apply to themselves):
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or, in the case of "whites" in non-Western countries, because
are neocolonialists who (while perhaps following rules in
Western countries) think rules in non-Western countries do not
apply to themselves:
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Yet still they are followed by "non-white" Eurocentrists. This
is why I brought up the example.
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Re: Progressive Faustianism
By: HikariDude Date: September 10, 2025, 6:51 pm
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“an individual Faustian or individual progressive may not be
consciously thinking about expansion when they do their stuff.”
Are you trying to say expansionism =/=
Faustianism/Progressivism?
“Why can a "white" not be only a Faustian but not a progressive,
or only a progressive but not a Faustian, or even neither a
Faustian nor a progressive, and still have "non-white"
Eurocentrist followers?”
Because they belong to an identity of Faustians/Progressives
that have already colonized so much that colonized people see
them as these high status that seek for some sort of
approval/glory, which according to their Nietzschean/Achillean
(both Western) desires is sign of their naturalist success.
So in a way, Faustians and Progressives (and sovereign
neocolonialists) might have had some role in Eurocentrists’
perceptions
Why do you think Eurocentrists follow “whites”?
“because are neocolonialists”
Are all “whites” Faustians/Progressives? I predict you say ‘no’
considering not all “whites” are machinists:
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Re: Progressive Faustianism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 10, 2025, 7:18 pm
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"Are you trying to say expansionism =/=
Faustianism/Progressivism?"
Expansionism =/= Faustianism =/= progressivism, to be precise.
"Because they belong to an identity of Faustians/Progressives
that have already colonized so much that colonized people see
them as these high status"
But how the colonized see them may not be how they actually are.
"Why do you think Eurocentrists follow “whites”?"
Giant-worship by non-Giant Gentiles:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/msg451/?topicseen#msg451
[quote](I actually have a racial theory of Eurocentrism (in
addition to colonialism causing Eurocentrism). I currently
suspect that, among prehistoric Gentiles, Giants would have been
considered superior (e.g. on account of physical size, sexual
dimorphism, etc.). On the other hand, among prehistoric Aryans,
there would have been no particular reason to consider Aesir
etc. superior, since their Golden Age was not better than the
Golden Age elsewhere. So when present-day "non-whites" worship
"whites", it would be a function of their Gentile blood memory.
Based on my anecdotal observations of individuals, Eurocentrism
does seem less frequent (or weaker in manifestation) among
"non-whites" with noticeable Aryan traits, though as always
there are exceptions.)[/quote]
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"Are all “whites” Faustians/Progressives? I predict you say ‘no’
considering not all “whites” are machinists:"
No, not all "whites" are Faustians, and not all "white" are
progressives. However, there are non-machinist Faustians and
non-machinist progressives, therefore the existence of
non-machinist "whites" does not necessarily imply the existence
of non-Faustian "whites" and non-progressive "whites".
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Re: Progressive Faustianism
By: HikariDude Date: September 11, 2025, 4:20 pm
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“Giant-worship by non-Giant Gentiles:”
Do you think giants’ heights have a little Faustianism in
non-Western countries? This includes countries without exposure
to giants, and hence wouldn’t some Faustianism come into play
(though the “whites” have not intended so)?
So even if Eurocentrists make a mistaken assumption about
pigmentation, they surely would not make one about height
(another parameter in the first previous post).
But do you agree that, unlike non-Western confidence, it is
always directed towards one side of the spectrum (regardless if
someone expands it or a Eurocentrist follows it) as opposed to a
part of the spectrum that helps complete their purpose?
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Re: Progressive Faustianism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 11, 2025, 5:37 pm
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"Do you think giants’ heights have a little Faustianism in
non-Western countries? This includes countries without exposure
to giants, and hence wouldn’t some Faustianism come into play
(though the “whites” have not intended so)?"
I don't understand what you mean.
"But do you agree that, unlike non-Western confidence, it is
always directed towards one side of the spectrum (regardless if
someone expands it or a Eurocentrist follows it) as opposed to a
part of the spectrum that helps complete their purpose?"
What is 'it'?
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Re: Progressive Faustianism
By: HikariDude Date: September 11, 2025, 8:34 pm
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“I don't understand what you mean.”
Wouldn't giants visiting former colonies and other non-Western
countries (especially those not visited by giants) have been
sort of like Faustianism and progressivism as if they were the
first/biggest to visit those countries (or cities,
neighborhoods, etc) and appear in their surroundings’ eyes. Not
saying it is Faustian (regardless whether or not it is) since
Faustianism is not in their minds. Just saying what it appears
to their surroundings.
“What is 'it'?”
Westernized (including Eurocentric) confidence.
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Re: Progressive Faustianism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 11, 2025, 11:46 pm
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"Wouldn't giants visiting former colonies and other non-Western
countries (especially those not visited by giants) have been
sort of like Faustianism and progressivism as if they were the
first/biggest to visit those countries (or cities,
neighborhoods, etc) and appear in their surroundings’ eyes. Not
saying it is Faustian (regardless whether or not it is) since
Faustianism is not in their minds. Just saying what it appears
to their surroundings."
What does this have to do with progressivism??
As for your main point, your choice of words is still rather
strange. Are you saying that present-day "non-whites" in former
Western colonies might view "white" tourists the same way that
pre-colonial "non-whites" would have viewed the first "white"
colonialists? If so, it would have been clearer by not bringing
in Faustianism.
All I have observed is that taller "white" tourists tend to get
better treatment than shorter "white" tourists, but even shorter
"white" tourists get better treatment than taller "non-white"
tourists.
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Re: Progressive Faustianism
By: HikariDude Date: September 12, 2025, 10:05 am
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“All I have observed is that taller "white" tourists tend to get
better treatment than shorter "white" tourists, but even shorter
"white" tourists get better treatment than taller "non-white"
tourists.”
Then why is giant worship still a reason for it?
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