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Progressive Faustianism
By: HikariDude Date: September 1, 2025, 5:36 pm
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Continuing from:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/gnosticism/msg30117/#msg30117
[quote]Faustianism might also go hand in hand with Progressivism
as progress would make the inventor the first.[/quote]
@90sRetroFan
I recall the conversation we had on the Gnosticism page (and one
at the Music page) and in this forum, I think I’m able to spot
patterns of Faustianism - which leads to progressivism due to
expansion. For example:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/msg199/#msg199
[quote]In any society, there will be more self-confident people
and less self-confident people as a matter of statistical
distribution. This on its own would be, and has been throughout
history, tolerable. The problem from the colonial era onwards is
that, due to Eurocentrism, the lack of self-confidence goes all
one-way, whether the parameter be pigmentation, sexual
dimorphism, height or any other. For example, where are the
insecure light-skinned people who try to darken their skin? They
virtually don't exist. (Guess why not.)[/quote]
The parameters in bold (and others like wealth, skill, IQ) is
also due to Faustianism (and progressivism) as the end of that
one way (including pigmentation since no one is white or black
in color yet) keeps expanding:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/homo-hubris/msg15118/#msg15118
[quote]Beauty is above time, not in time. Oneupmanship is not
beautiful at all; it is crude and barbaric:[/quote]
Colonialist self-confidence is about Oneupmanship. It is also
Faustian and progressive in nature.
Non-western confidence, in contrast, is less expansionist and
more individualist. It is caused by fulfillment and purpose;
when you reach a frugal completion point where you will
eternally feel happy with yourself.
For example, defeating Westerners:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-ahimsa/
being a fan:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/media-decolonization/msg26470/#msg26470
retiring early:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/recommended-music-to-listen-to/msg29839/#msg29839
finding a corpse:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/national-socialism-is-revolutionary-not-reactionary/msg30040/#msg30040
[quote] He had reached the perception that Jesus spoke of: "He
who has come to know the world has found a corpse, and he who
has found a corpse, the world is not worthy of him." This is
Gnostic self-esteem.[/quote]
Or basically anything else that is not in time. Faustian (and
hence progressive) confidence, in contrast, will never feel
fulfilled and will always be in time:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/msg13288/#msg13288
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Re: Progressive Faustianism
By: HikariDude Date: September 8, 2025, 1:55 pm
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Ok since no one showed up, should I take it that 90sRF does not
disagree? Just wanted to do some final validation
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Re: Progressive Faustianism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 8, 2025, 4:27 pm
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I was waiting for a question, since you posted this in the
Questions & Debates forum. If you want, I can move it to the
Homo Hubris topic instead?
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Re: Progressive Faustianism
By: HikariDude Date: September 8, 2025, 5:52 pm
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It was more for confirmation (which is why I posted it in the
Q&D board).
I just thought the new topic would highlight the correlation
between Faustianism and Progressivism (like a spin off of
Progressive Yahwism), whereas the Homo Hubris topic would solely
be about Faustianism. Still cannot decide, but if you do not
like the idea, we could move it to the HH topic for the sake of
nobility.
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Re: Progressive Faustianism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 8, 2025, 6:02 pm
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OK, I will leave the topic here for now.
[quote][quote]The problem from the colonial era onwards is that,
due to Eurocentrism, the lack of self-confidence goes all
one-way, whether the parameter be pigmentation, sexual
dimorphism, height or any other. For example, where are the
insecure light-skinned people who try to darken their skin? They
virtually don't exist. (Guess why not.)[/quote]
The parameters in bold (and others like wealth, skill, IQ) is
also due to Faustianism[/quote]
Please clarify what you mean here. The quote to which you are
replying is about an attitude prevalent among the colonized,
whereas Faustianism is an attitude prevalent among the
colonizers, so how is the former due to the latter?
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Re: Progressive Faustianism
By: HikariDude Date: September 8, 2025, 7:16 pm
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“how is the former due to the latter?”
Because:
[quote]the end of that one way (including pigmentation since no
one is white or black in color yet) keeps expanding[/quote]
And Faustianism (and Progressivism) is inherently expansionist.
As the Faustian colonizers expand the end of that parameter
continuously, the colonized Eurocentrists will base their
self-confidence on that already expanded end (continuously and
hence never fulfilled). Because Faustian self-confidence
progressively innovates everything so it subdues non-Westerners,
leading to Eurocentrists slavishly keeping up with the trends
Faustians expanded on in the first place (and then the pattern
repeats).
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Re: Progressive Faustianism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 9, 2025, 6:42 am
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"As the Faustian colonizers expand the end of that parameter
continuously"
Is this happening in the case of pigmentation? From what I have
encountered, skin-lightening products are used overwhelmingly by
"non-whites", whereas most "whites" delusionally perceive their
own skin as white (and psychologically colonized "non-whites"
share this perception) even when their skin is actually darker
than that of many "non-whites":
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/msg520/#msg520
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/psychological-decolonization/msg523/#msg523
etc.
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Re: Progressive Faustianism
By: HikariDude Date: September 9, 2025, 10:42 am
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“Is this happening in the case of pigmentation?”
It’s not like “whites” have not lightened their skin at one
point and went through greater lengths than colonized people do
today. You even mentioned it:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/face-shapes-and-preferences/msg21220/#msg21220
[quote] [quote]Western girls love to be tanned[/quote]
This is untrue:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_tanning#Cultural_history
[quote]In the United States and Western Europe before the 1920s,
tanned skin was associated with the lower classes because they
worked outdoors and were exposed to the sunlight. Women in
particular went to great lengths to preserve pale skin, as a
sign of their "refinement".[31] Women's outdoor clothing styles
were tailored to protect them against sunlight exposure, with
full-length sleeves, and sunbonnets and other large hats,
headscarves, and parasols shielding the head. Lead-[32] and
arsenic-based cosmetics were used to artificially whiten the
skin. The preference for fair skin continued until the end of
the Victorian era.[33][/quote]
But clearly the author is unaware that colonial-era Western
civilization is the true Western civilization.[/quote]
You have to be a Faustian and a Progressive for colonized
Eurocentrists to follow along.
And the fact that “whites” is what they call themselves is
enough for Eurocentric “nonwhites” to want to whiten their skin.
As for the other parameters, it still proves my point.
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Re: Progressive Faustianism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 9, 2025, 4:26 pm
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"It’s not like “whites” have not lightened their skin at one
point and went through greater lengths than colonized people do
today."
I'm not sure these were necessarily greater lengths. It's just
what methods were available back then. Can you be sure
psychologically colonized "non-whites" wouldn't use these
methods if more modern methods were unavailable?
"You have to be a Faustian and a Progressive for colonized
Eurocentrists to follow along."
Why?
(I have encountered situations where "non-white" Eurocentrists
follow "whites" despite surely knowing nothing about whether or
not the "white" being followed is either Faustian or
progressive. For example, at a pedestrian crossing during a
pedestrian red light, everyone is initially waiting for the
pedestrian light to turn green. A "non-white" crosses despite
the red light, and everyone else continues to wait for the light
to turn green. A "white" crosses despite the red light, and
everyone else (except myself, of course, and sometimes one or
two other people) follows. I have witnessed this countless times
in multiple former Western colonies.)
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Re: Progressive Faustianism
By: HikariDude Date: September 9, 2025, 7:20 pm
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“Can you be sure psychologically colonized "non-whites" wouldn't
use these methods if more modern methods were unavailable?”
But that was after the Meiji era:
HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_whitening
[quote]Following the Meiji restoration, men and women reserved
white lead makeup and traditional attire for special
occasions.[69] In China, Korea, and Japan, washing one's face
with rice water was also practiced, as it was believed to
naturally whiten skin.[61][70] Historians also noted that as
East Asian women immigrated to the United States, immigrant
women engaged in skin lightening more frequently than women who
did not immigrate.[/quote]
I may admit your point considering the last sentence, but didn’t
the (Faustian/Progressive) “whites” in the US invent those
methods in the first place? Also, the US probably invented more
methods than China, Korea, and Japan did in one colonial era.
“(I have encountered situations where "non-white" Eurocentrists
follow "whites" despite surely knowing nothing about whether or
not the "white" being followed is either Faustian or
progressive.”
Again, when “whites” expand on it, the Eurocentrists follow
along.
P.S. maybe pigmentation is not the best example of a parameter
that can be expanded, considering the fact that accurately white
skin is the stopping point for it, but the other parameters (as
in dimorphism, height, wealth, skill and IQ) can easily be
expanded by a “white” while the Eurocentrists will rely on the
standards that “whites” already expanded on.
So whether or not it is Faustians expanding on the parameter or
colonized Eurocentrists aiming towards the end of it, their
confidence will always aim towards the end of the parameter,
rather than to aim towards whatever will fulfill their destiny.
Won’t it?
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