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Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: Aucontraire
Date: August 13, 2025, 3:42 am
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan ---
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> "Like how do people split up all that lifeforce and feeling?"
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How can you advocate universal compassion but not universal
love? Non-vegans can't shut up about how "animal rights
distracts from human rights" and you sound just like them when
you say we're morally obligated to practice romantic
favouritism. My SOUL would feel infinitely more loved if my
spouse "split up all that lifeforce and feeling" to rescue a
tonne of animals and street urchins because that's what I care
about more than flowers and hugs.
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Re: Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 13, 2025, 6:07 pm
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Firstly, I did not actually write the words in your quote. I was
reposting posts from the old forum in blocks (hence the "OLD
CONTENT" label and "---" dividers). I'm unsure who wrote them.
But I do not mind answering your questions.
"How can you advocate universal compassion but not universal
love?"
Because compassion and (romantic) love are different things.
"romantic favouritism"
If I am loyal to one leader, am I according to you practicing
"monarchic favouritism"? It is similar with romantic love. In
Gnostic cosmology, every monad was originally split in half,
becoming two souls. Therefore every soul has precisely one other
soul with whom it perfectly fits back together. For a soul to
settle for nothing less than its one perfect fit is not
"favouritism" any more than pairing back together two halves of
a torn photo (rather than pairing each half with half of a
different photo) would be.
See also:
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"My SOUL would feel infinitely more loved if my spouse "split up
all that lifeforce and feeling" to rescue a tonne of animals and
street urchins because that's what I care about more than
flowers and hugs."
Rescuing animals and street urchins are typically actions
motivated by compassion, not romantic love. I find it hard to
imagine that anyone would feel betrayed by their spouse doing
that.
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Re: Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: Aucontraire
Date: August 13, 2025, 8:25 pm
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan ---
> Firstly, I did not actually write the words in your quote.
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I am aware, that's why I retained the quotation marks.
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> Because compassion and (romantic) love are different things.
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I'll rephrase my question: Why is it ok to divide your lifeforce
and feeling in compassion but not in romantic love?
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> I have always maintained that anyone who reproduces with their
supposed romantic partner does not truly love the partner, as
attention would have to be thereafter diverted to the children.
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If romantic love differs fundamentally from compassionate love
in this way, what you said here is creepy and incestuous because
you're implying that what children need from their caregivers is
romantic love.
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> If I am loyal to one leader, am I according to you practicing
"monarchic favouritism"?
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Not if that leader actually deserves your exclusive loyalty.
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> I find it hard to imagine that anyone would feel betrayed by
their spouse doing that.
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You find it hard to imagine an especially selfish, jealous
person?
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> In Gnostic cosmology, every monad was originally split in
half, becoming two souls. Therefore every soul has precisely one
other soul with whom it perfectly fits back together. For a soul
to settle for nothing less than its one perfect fit is not
"favouritism" any more than pairing back together two halves of
a torn photo (rather than pairing each half with half of a
different photo) would be.
--- End Quote ---
I'm much more inspired by the story where everyone has a
transcendent soul. Not "I need a GF/BF to be whole :,("
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Re: Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 13, 2025, 8:54 pm
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"Why is it ok to divide your lifeforce and feeling in compassion
but not in romantic love?"
"Dividing lifeforce" is a description proposed by the guy who
wrote that, not me. I don't even understand what it means, to be
honest.
As for feeling, compassion is impersonal but romantic love is
personal. I used the analogy of the torn photo in the previous
post. I can try to save as many torn photos as I can, but that
does not mean I should settle for any of the torn photos that I
save being pieced together with my piece. The only torn photo
that should be pieced together with mine is the other half of
the complete photo that became these two pieces.
"If romantic love differs fundamentally from compassionate love
in this way, what you said here is creepy and incestuous because
you're implying that what children need from their caregivers is
romantic love."
How could it be incestuous since incest involves sex whereas I
have already stated that romantic love cannot involve sex? Also,
the main point is that I will disbelieve all claims of romantic
love between couples who have reproduced or even tried to.
"You find it hard to imagine an especially selfish, jealous
person?"
Perhaps I am naive, but it is totally alien to me that someone
would feel betrayed to see their spouse rescuing animals.
"I'm much more inspired by the story where everyone has a
transcendent soul. Not "I need a GF/BF to be whole :,(""
Can we therefore agree that you are less romantic than I am?
(Also, it is not "a" GF/BF (as if any will do), it is the GF/BF
that I was meant to be with.)
To use the torn photo analogy again, some torn photos (e.g.
landscape shots) can be made to look like full pictures by
putting them inside a frame in such a way that the tear is
obscured. Other torn photos cannot be made to look like full
pictures even if framed (e.g. portrait shots where half the face
is missing). Perhaps you are more like the former whereas I am
more like the latter?
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Re: Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: Aucontraire
Date: August 14, 2025, 12:56 am
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> "incest involves sex"
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HTML https://www.healthline.com/health/emotional-incest
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> Can we therefore agree that you are less romantic than I am?
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Like you said, romantic love is personal. Personally, I find
sharing romantic.
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Re: Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 14, 2025, 1:49 am
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"
HTML https://www.healthline.com/health/emotional-incest"
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest
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> Incest (/ˈɪnsɛst/ IN-sest) is sex between close
relatives
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"I find sharing romantic."
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