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Re: National Socialists were socialists
By: antihellenistic Date: June 26, 2025, 11:56 pm
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Answering the Aryanism website theory of the National Socialist
economic system
[quote]A National Socialist economy is not centrally planned,
but centrally directed. Central planning involves taking demand
for granted and then using the state to regulate supply. Central
direction involves determining adequate supply and then using
the state to limit demand. Hence a National Socialist economy
should not be confused with a mixed-market economy, which is a
fundamentally capitalist economy with state intervention in
subservience to implicitly capitalist values. Hitler himself had
no role in micromanaging the economy of National Socialist
Germany, but rather was responsible for preventing the economy
(and hence those who would seek to manipulate it by investments)
from leading astray the state.[/quote]
Source :
Aryanism - Economics, captured in Waybackmachine Internet
Archive on 7th December 2018
HTML https://web.archive.org/web/20181207225357/http://aryanism.net/politics/economics/
Hitler supported a centrally planned economic policy and would
not change it even if the war ended and Hitler won.
[quote]"You get inflation if you want inflation," Hitler
retorted angrily. "Inflation is lack of discipline lack of
discipline in the buyers, and lack of discipline in the sellers.
I will see to it that prices remain stable. That is what my S.A.
is for. Woe to the men who raise prices! We need no legal
instruments for that. It will be done by the party alone. You
shall see if our S.A. once clean up a shop, such things will not
happen a second time." - Adolf Hitler[/quote]
Source :
The Voice Of Destruction by Hermann Rauschning Page 20
HTML https://archive.org/details/voiceofdestructi027169mbp/page/n31/mode/2up
[quote]Wenn die deutsche Volkswirtschaft ebenso wie mit diesem
Problem auch mit den zahllosen anderen Problemen fertig geworden
sei und damit die Durchfüh- rung des Rüstungsprogramms
sichergestellt habe, so sei das nicht zuletzt darauf
zurückzuführen, dass die Lenkung der Volkswirtschaft immer mehr
eine staat- liche geworden sei. Nur so sei es möglich gewesen,
das gesamtnationale Ziel den Interessen einzelner Gruppen
gegenüber durchzusetzen411.
Auch nach dem Kriege würden wir auf eine staatliche Lenkung der
Volks- wirtschaft nicht verzichten können, da sonst jeder
Interessenkreis ausschliesslich an die Erfüllung seiner Wünsche
denke.
- Adolf Hitler, 5. Juli 1942
English Translation :
That Germany has succeeded in solving this problem, as it has
solved many others, is due in no small measure to the fact that
the State has progressively assumed more and more control. Only
in this way was it possible to defeat private interests and
carry national interests triumphantly to their goal. After the
war, equally, we must not let control of the economy of the
country slip from our hands. If we do, then once more all the
various private interests will concentrate on their own
particular objectives.
- Adolf Hitler, 5th Juli 1942 (Table Talk)[/quote]
Source :
1. Hitlers Tischgespräche im Führerhauptquartier by Dr. Henry
Picker Page 419
2. Hitler’s Table Talk His Private Conversations (1941-1944)
words of Adolf Hitler Translated by Norman Cameron and R.H.
Stevens Page 559
[quote]In conversation in July 1942 he reminded his listeners
that the nation’s economic power had only been mobilized ‘with a
planned economy from above’; after the war ‘state control of the
economy’ would continue in order to prevent individual interests
trespassing on the fundamental interest of the nation. ... The
German economy under Hitler became, like Stalin’s, a command
economy[/quote]
Source :
1. The Nazi War Against Capitalism by Nevin Gussack, Page 79
2. The Dictators: Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia by Richard
Overy Ph.D. Page 404
HTML https://archive.org/details/dictators00rich/page/404/mode/2up?q=he+reminded+his+listeners+that+the+nation%E2%80%99s+economic+power+had+only+been+mobilized+%E2%80%98with+a+planned+economy+from+above%E2%80%99
[quote]Herr Goebbels ended it in his May Day radio address this
year, with his flat assertion that the anti-capitalist offensive
"will be resumed on the first day of peace!"
The people in the democracies would do well not to mistake the
Nazis' anti-capitalism for mere hostility to big business. It is
more than a war against free enterprise. It is a war against the
democratic way of life. Capitalism, in the Nazi mind, means the
free way, the individual's way. The Nazis are out to smash it.
And they have gone a long way toward doing just that in Europe.
Their special victim is the middle class. On the continent they
have all but liquidated this class which the backbone of the
democratic world.[/quote]
Source :
1. The Nazi War Against Capitalism by Nevin Gussack, page 79
2. The American Mercury 1944-08: Vol 59 Iss 248. “German Plans
for the Next War” Page 181 (Page 55 in pdf format)
[quote]The German pattern differs from the Russian one in that
it (seemingly and nominally) maintains private owneiship of the
means of production and keeps the appearance of ordinary prices,
wages, and markets. There are, however, no longer entrepreneurs
but only shop managers (Betnebsfuhrer) These shop managers do
the buying and selling, pay the workers, contiact debts, and pay
interest and amortization. There is no labor market, wages and
salaries are fixed by the government The government tells the
shop managers what and how to produce, at what prices and from
whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell The government
decrees to whom and under what terms the capitalists must
entrust their funds and where and at what wages laborers must
work Market exchange is only a sham. All the prices, wages, and
mteiest rates are fixed by the central authority They are
prices, wages, and interest rates in appearance only, in reality
they are meiely determinations of quantity relations in the
government’s orders. The government, not the consumers, directs
production. This is socialism in the outward guise of capitalism
Some labels of capitalistic market economy are retained but they
mean something entirely different from what they mean in a
genuine market economy.[/quote]
Source :
Omnipotent Government by Ludwig Von Mises (1944) Page 56
HTML https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.6798/page/n65/mode/2up?q=The+government+tells+the+shop+managers+what+and+how+to+produce%2C+at+what+prices+and+from+whom+to+buy%2C+at+what+prices+and+to+whom+to+sell
[quote]What Mises identified was that private ownership of the
means of production existed in name only under the Nazis and
that the actual substance of ownership of the means of
production resided in the German government. For it was the
German government and not the nominal private owners that
exercised all of the substantive powers of ownership: it, not
the nominal private owners, decided what was to be produced, in
what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was to be
distributed, as well as what prices would be charged and what
wages would be paid, and what dividends or other income the
nominal private owners would be permitted to receive.[/quote]
Source :
Reisman, G. (2010, January 31). Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why
Socialism is Totalitarian | George Reisman. Retrieved November
4, 2024, from YouTube website:
(Minute 02:13 until 02:59)
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHpXjm78Pjs
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Re: Re: National Socialists were socialists
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 27, 2025, 12:27 am
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I already defined the difference between central planning and
central direction in the very quote you cited:
[quote]A National Socialist economy is not centrally planned,
but centrally directed. Central planning involves taking demand
for granted and then using the state to regulate supply. Central
direction involves determining adequate supply and then using
the state to limit demand.[/quote]
Your own subsequent quote states:
[quote]The government, not the consumers, directs
production.[/quote]
This is literally central direction, not central planning. So
when you in your own words say:
"Hitler supported a centrally planned economic policy"
you are flat-out wrong even according to the source that you
yourself chose.
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Re: Re: National Socialists were socialists
By: antihellenistic Date: June 27, 2025, 1:34 am
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=531.msg30513#msg30513
date=1751002020]
I already defined the difference between central planning and
central direction in the very quote you cited:
[quote]A National Socialist economy is not centrally planned,
but centrally directed. Central planning involves taking demand
for granted and then using the state to regulate supply. Central
direction involves determining adequate supply and then using
the state to limit demand.[/quote]
Your own subsequent quote states:
[quote]The government, not the consumers, directs
production.[/quote]
This is literally central direction, not central planning. So
when you in your own words say:
"Hitler supported a centrally planned economic policy"
you are flat-out wrong even according to the source that you
yourself chose.
[/quote]
Hitler did not allow economic competition in the country. Hitler
forbade economic laws based on supply and demand and market
mechanisms. Hitler condemned economic liberalization, against
the bourgeoisie, capital markets, and landlords. Hitler did not
implement a mixed market economic system where competitive
capitalist life remains in society in general and there is
social welfare assistance as implemented by the social
democrats.
[quote]In addition to price controls, goods were distributed
centrally. Indeed, materials could only be purchased with
certificates that had to be obtained from one of the various
central planning agencies that distributed the materials.
[/quote]
Reference: Reimann, The Vampire Economy, pp. 51-52, pp. 67-70,
pp. 251-254.
[quote]Dr. Schacht noted in 1935 that “The secret of financing
the political and economic tasks of Germany lies in the rigid
centralization of all public and private activities in the
German Reich, that is, public finance and private economy. This
centralization is possible only in a state based on
authoritative rules.”[/quote]
Sources:
1. The Nazi War Against Capitalism by Nevin Gussack, Page 111
2. Hjalmar Schacht in Perspective by Amos E. Simpson Page 82
HTML https://archive.org/details/hjalmarschachtin0000simp/page/82/mode/2up?q=centralized+and+rigid+concentration
[quote]At the 1936 Party Congress, Hitler noted that “the lack
of restraint on free economics must be ended in favor of planned
direction and planned action.”[/quote]
Source :
The Dictators: Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia by R. J.
Overy Page 403
HTML https://archive.org/details/dictators00rich/mode/2up?q=%E2%80%9Cthe+lack+of+restraints
[quote]The government does limit foreign exchange, imports and
exports, prices, wages, and the allocation of labor. It
determines the quantity and nature of what is to be produced.
Profits are limited and directed by the government back into
reinvestment for expansion or into the acquisition of government
bonds to provide more capital for rearmament. [1]
...
The government tells these entrepreneurs what and how to
produce, at what price and from whom to buy, at what price and
to whom to sell. The government determines how much labor must
be paid, and to whom and for what period of time the capitalists
must entrust their funds. Market exchange is a
disgrace.[2][/quote]
Source :
1. Hitler and Nazi Germany by Jackson J. Spielvogel Pages 178
and 179
2. Ludwig von Mises. (2021, December 4). Planned Chaos.
Retrieved October 23, 2024, from Mises Institute website:
HTML https://mises.org/mises-daily/planned-chaos
[quote]"[Hitler's] new regime aimed at complete control of
economic as well as social, political, and cultural activities."
"In economics, it interpreted the Depression as evidence of the
failure of the private market economy and of the necessity of
state intervention."
"...The National Socialist New Order inherited from the
Depression governments a network of controls and proceeded to
make it ever more extensive."
"In 1934 a system of managed trade was inaugurated, as well as
the allocation of raw materials and the restriction of dividend
payments; and after 1936 came a far-reaching regulation of
prices."
"It was an economy without a market mechanism, which was
supposed to behave as its new masters wished."
"Prices are essential to the market: their suppression and
distortion leads to a command economy."[/quote]
Source :
James, The Nazi Dictatorship and the Deutsche Bank," p11 - 12
[quote]...especially since the early 1940s, shows that he
[Hitler] had been a fierce critic of the free-market system and
an adherent of a planned and state-controlled economy[/quote]
Source :
Hitler's National Socialism by Rainer Zitelmann Pages 332 and
333
[quote]Based on the logic of a free market and the natural laws
of competition, Hitler said, one could in many cases not expect
any actions directed toward the common good. One could not, for
example,
... expect a man who happens to produce nitrogen to say: 'I
think it would now be wiser to sell it for 20 percent less.' No,
we cannot ask that. This can only be recognized as being
necessary from a higher vantage point, and then you say, 'It
must be done.' But we cannot ask it of the man... Or if, for
example, I demand of someone else that he should agree that we
in Germany are going to produce our fuel ourselves, but he makes
his living in the fuel trade. Well, you cannot expect the man to
say, 'I think that is a fabulous idea that you are going to
produce your fuel yourself.' Or an international rubber buyer or
rubber trader who is now supposed to decide whether we in
Germany are to build Buna factories. He will naturally say, 'I
think that is crazy, absolutely impossible."**
In all such cases there is obviously a contradiction between the
capitalist private and the state-defined general political
interests. According to Hitler's view, the state always has the
right and the obligation a enforce the general political against
the capitalist private interests.[/quote]
Source :
Hitler: The Policies of Seduction by Rainer Zitelmann Page 215
HTML https://archive.org/details/hitlerpoliciesof0000zite/mode/2up?q=expect+a+man+who+happens+to+produce
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Re: Re: National Socialists were socialists
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 27, 2025, 5:35 am
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Did you even read my previous reply?
Now from your more recent quote:
[quote]materials could only be purchased with
certificates[/quote]
In other words, materials could not be purchased in whatever
quantity wanted, even if supply is abundant. This is a state
limitation on demand. This is thus central direction, not
central planning. Again, your own chosen source refutes your own
claim.
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Re: Re: National Socialists were socialists
By: antihellenistic Date: June 27, 2025, 6:12 am
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=3223.msg30515#msg30515
date=1751020553]
Did you even read my previous reply?
Now from your more recent quote:
[quote]materials could only be purchased with
certificates[/quote]
In other words, materials could not be purchased in whatever
quantity wanted, even if supply is abundant. This is a state
limitation on demand. This is thus central direction, not
central planning. Again, your own chosen source refutes your own
claim.
[/quote]
Maybe I still have to learn the difference in meaning between
"central planning" and "central direction". Both methods of
planning production activities do not submit economic activities
to the natural laws of market mechanisms, but have different
meanings.
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Re: National Socialists were socialists
By: antihellenistic Date: June 29, 2025, 2:06 am
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Answering Aryanism's theory of Class Co-operation and Individual
Ownership
[quote]The National Socialist state has no problem with private
property or firearm ownership (indeed it demands compulsory
firearm ownership) because it trusts its folk to be devout
National Socialists.
...
National Socialism redistributes wealth by voluntary charity
infinitely more satisfactorily to both givers and receivers than
communism could ever achieve by force.[/quote]
Source :
National Socialism and Communism - Aryanism. Captured by
Waybackmachine Internet Archive on November 10th 2018
HTML https://web.archive.org/web/20181110080008/http://aryanism.net/politics/national-socialism-and-communism/
My answer :
[quote]Manifestations of an undying hatred of the bourgeoisie
and wealthier classes were present in Hitler years after he
became leader of the Nazis. For example, in [b]June 1930, Hitler
wrote in the Illustrierte Beobachter that “Were Bolshevism not
out to destroy the best racial elite but only to clean out the
bourgeois party vermin one would be almost tempted to bless
it.”[/b][/quote]
Source :
1. The Nazi War Against Capitalism by Nevin Gussack Page 12
2. Hitler : the Policies Of Seduction by Rainer Zitelmann Page
145
HTML https://archive.org/details/hitlerpoliciesof0000zite/page/144/mode/2up<br
/>
[quote]“In addition to high income taxes, mandatory
contributions to health, unemployment, and disability insurance,
and Labor Front dues…”[/quote]
Reference:
Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, p. 329.
[quote]Throughout Mein Kampf, Hitler cursed the allegedly
selfish and anti-nationalist values of the bourgeoisie and upper
classes in Germany. Hitler also noted : “…an industrialist also
acts against the spirit of the folk-community if he adopts
inhuman methods of exploitation and misuses the working forces
of the nation to make millions unjustly for himself from the
sweat of the workers. He has no right to call himself ‘national’
and no right to talk of a folk-community, for he is only an
unscrupulous egoist who sows the seeds of social discontent and
provokes a spirit of conflict which sooner or later must be
injurious to the interests of the country.”[/quote]
Source :
1. The Nazi War Against Capitalism by Nevin Gussack Page 12
2. Mein Kampf Stalag Edition Officially Authorized By The NSDAP
In 1940 For The Invasion Of Britain Page 364
HTML https://archive.org/details/new-cover-and-index-added-1940-mein-kampf-the-official-stalag-edition-adolf-hitler/page/364/mode/2up
[quote]The New York Times, Thursday, November 26, 1931
REVEALS 'NAZI' PLANS TO TAKE CONTROL
Outlines emergency decisions for a future National Socialist
Government adopted at a meeting of four newly elected "Nazi"
deputies in the Hessian State Parliament.
The forthcoming decisions provide for the suspension of private
property and monetary claims, the confiscation of all
foodstuffs, to be distributed only among those who work, and the
takeover of executive power by National Socialist stormtroopers.
To save the nation, the document says, war will be declared
immediately and executive power will be transferred exclusively
to the stormtroopers.
Obedience to orders and to the members of the stormtroopers will
be enforced on penalty of death, and anyone found carrying arms
will be shot.
In addition to these orders, drawn up in the form of a
"manifesto to the people," drafts of three emergency decisions
are included in the document. All are carefully written and
ready for use.
The first decree provided for the confiscation of food and a ban
on its sale and purchase. Food was to be delivered free of
charge by the producers and was to be rationed by the
government.
The second decree provided for the suspension of private
property rights. No interest was to be paid and the enforcement
of monetary claims was prohibited. It set out in detail the
composition of the courts that would try charges of violation.
The third decree stated that work was a general obligation.
Everyone, except Jews, over the age of 16 would be required to
work or would not be entitled to claim food.[/quote]
Source:
The New York Times: Thursday, November 26, 1931. (2024).
Retrieved November 7, 2024, from the Nytimes.com website:
HTML https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1931/11/26/98348031.html?pageNumber=12
[quote]Sometimes the Nazi SA also extorted private businesses
for funds. Gustav Stolper commented that “Brown Shirt gangs
would simply appear before the managers of shops and stores
demanding the payment of so-and-so many hundreds or thousands of
marks within twenty four hours or else and as a rule they got
it.”[/quote]
Sumber :
1. The Nazi War against Capitaism by Nevin Gussack Page 11
2. This Age of Fable: The Political and Economic World We Live
in by Gustav Stolper Page 331
HTML https://books.google.co.id/books?redir_esc=y&hl=id&id=qVUCAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=shops
[quote]The Nazis also disbanded the old employers’ organizations
and created new associations which served as transmission belts
for the decrees of the Nazi state. Deputy Commissar Graf von der
Goltz noted to an audience of businessmen in July 1934 “Any
organization that represents the interests of the employers will
be regarded as illegal and disbanded and the guilty parties will
be prosecuted.”[/quote]
Source :
1. Schoenbaum, David. Hitler’s Social Revolution (W. W. Norton &
Company; Reissu edition 1997) page 118
2. The Nazi War Against Capitalism by Nevin Gussack Page 95
[quote]Therefore, wealth in particular has not only a higher
possibility of enjoyment, but most importantly, also a higher
obligation. The opinion that Ver. The fact that the use of
assets at any level is only a private matter for individuals
must be further corrected in the National Socialist state,
because without the cooperation of all parties, no individual
can enjoy such benefits today.[/quote]
Source :
Hitler, A. (1936). Führer-Reden zum Winterhilfswerk 1933–1936.
Zentralverlag der NSDAP. Page 7 and 8
[quote]Goebbels was one of the most leftwing members of the Nazi
hierarchy who gave voice to violently anti-capitalist
sentiments. Goebbels noted in a March 1937 entry in his diary:
“Lunch with the Fuhrer. Large group at table. The so-called
industrial leaders are under heavy attack. They do not have a
clue about real political economy. They are stupid, egoistic,
unnational and narrow mindedly conceited. They would like to
sabotage the 4 year plan out of cowardice and mental laziness.
But now they have to.”[189] Goebbels also noted that “Fuhrer
heavily attacks the industrial barons who still practice a
silent reserve against the 4 year plan.”[190] Goebbels noted in
September 1937 that Hitler “strongly” commented at a Party
Congress “against the high handedness of business. Woe to
private industry if it does not fall in line. 4 year plan will
be executed.”[191][/quote]
Source :
1. The Nazi War Against Capitalism by Nevin Gussack Page 57
2. Hitler : the Policies Of Seduction by Rainer Zitelmann Page
253
HTML https://archive.org/details/hitlerpoliciesof0000zite/page/252/mode/2up?q=stupid%2C+egoistic%2C+unnational+and+narrow
[quote]THE BARRIERS MIXER SATURDAY, OCTOBER 21, 1939
REDS SUPPORT REICH
LONDON, October 20 [1939].-A partial correspondent of the
"Evening Standard" says that according to reports from Swiss
sources, Field Marshal Goering, the Nazi deputy leader (Herr
Hess) and the Minister of Economics (Dr. Funk) are supporting
the radicals and ex-Communists, feeling that victory is
impossible without their help.
Nazi speakers are now permitted to declare openly that radical
reforms to bring Germany into line with Russia are being
'prepared, and that all capitalism will be suppressed.[/quote]
Source:
Barrier Miner (Broken Hill, NSW : 1888 - 1954) Saturday, 21
October 1939 Page 7 REDS IN FAVOR IN REICH
HTML https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/48330881?searchTerm=Reds%20in%20Favor%20in%20Reich
[quote]The Times (London), 8 November 1939
Dr. Ley is reported to have added that the Fuhrer would rather
proclaim a German Soviet Republic than lean towards democracy .
. . ; "The war must be fought on the methods of absolute Russian
Bolshevism." The wartime economic reconstruction was to be a
thoroughly Communist organization, similar to the Russian one.
And the word Hitler chose to describe it— volksgemeinschaft —is
the German translation of Communism. Germany, however, lacked
the essentials, such as colonies and the Alsatian ore and potash
deposits, which were necessary if it was to organize its
industry on the Russian model. War with the Western democracies
would be fought for these supplies and resources. Dr. Ley added:
"From the standpoint of Communist doctrine, the war is really a
revolutionary war."[/quote]
Thousands of propagandists were said to be spreading these ideas
throughout the country. Some workers who had previously been
Communists might fall into the obvious trap. This news
reinforces the impression created by recent speeches in Austria
by BIrckel and the report of a Swiss journalist recently
returned from Germany.
Source :
The Times Archives | The Times & The Sunday Times. (2024).
Retrieved November 11, 2024, from Thetimes.com website:
HTML https://www.thetimes.com/tto/archive/article/1939-11-08/7/9.html#start%3D1938-01-01%26end%3D1939-11-08%26terms%3Dsoviet%20model%26back%3D/tto/archive/find/soviet+model/w:1938-01-01%7E1939-11-08/1%26prev%3D/tto/archive/frame/goto/soviet+model/w:1938-01-01%7E1939-11-08/4%26next%3D/tto/archive/frame/goto/soviet+model/w:1938-01-01%7E1939-11-08/6
[quote]Hitler’s statement [On 2 August 1941] that he ‘preferred
the Communists a thousand times’ to people like Starhemberg was
entirely consistent with his Weltanschauung (worldview).
Naturally, he [Hitler] felt closer to the courageous and
courageous Communists, who fought for the ideals of a
Weltanschauung like his own, than to the reactionary forces of
the bourgeoisie.
In another table conversation on 2 November 1941, when he spoke
of the ‘time of struggle’ and the ‘contempt’ for the bourgeoisie
that he had developed during that time, he said, ‘The Communists
and we, we are the only ones who also have women who do not
flinch when the shots are fired. They are the worthy people,
with whom a country can be defended.’[1][2][/quote]
Source :
1. Monologe im Führerhauptquartier 1941–1944 by Heinrich Heim
Page 37, 38, and 99
HTML https://archive.org/details/monologe-im-fuehrerhauptquartier
from words :
Thälmann, das ist der Typ dieses kleinen Mannes, der nicht
anders handeln konnte. Das Schlechte bei ihm ist, daß er nicht
so klug war wie zum Beispiel Torgler. Er war der geistig
Beschränktere; deshalb konnte ich Torgler laufen lassen, während
ich ihn zurückhalte, nicht aus Rache, sondern nur, weil er eine
Gefahr bedeutet.49 Sobald die große Gefahr in Rußland beseitigt
ist, kann er hingehen, wohin er will. Die Sozialdemokratie
brauchte ich nicht festzusetzen, weil es keinen ausländischen
Staat gab, bei dem sie hätte Schaden stiften können. Der Pakt
mit Rußland hätte mich nie bestimmt, der Gefahr im Innern
gegenüber eine andere Haltung einzunehmen.50 Aber an sich sind
mir unsere Kommunisten tausendmal sympathischer als zum Beispiel
ein Starhemberg;51 es waren robuste Naturen, die, wenn sie
länger in Rußland gewesen wären, vollkommen geheilt
zurückgekommen sein würden.
...
Kinder. Und ihre vermeintliche Brutalität? Sie waren der Natur
etwas näher. Im Krieg haben sie mit Handgranaten geschmissen und
mit dem Bajonett gekämpft, geradlinige Naturen, die nicht haben
verstehen können, daß die Heimat sich von den
Nachkriegselementen hat regieren lassen. Ich war mir gleich von
Anfang im klaren, eine neue Partei aufbauen kann man nur mit
diesen Leuten. Ich habe eine solche Verachtung bekommen in
dieser Zeit für das Bürgertum! Wenn ein Bürger einmal 100 oder
200 Mark gab, hat er sich eingebildet, wunder was er damit getan
hat. Was haben aber diese Leute geopfert! Den ganzen Tag am
Arbeitsplatz, in der Nacht unterwegs für uns, und immer den Kopf
hingehalten. Die Politik ist damals von der Straße gemacht
worden, ich habe Leute gesucht ohne Kragen; ein Bürgerlicher mit
Stehkragen würde mir alles Gewonnene haben zerstören können.
Freilich gab es im Bürgertum auch Fanatiker.
...
Die Kommunisten und wir, das waren die einzigen, die auch Frauen
gehabt haben, die nicht gewichen sind, wenn geschossen wurde. Es
sind das die braven Menschen, mit denen allein man einen Staat
halten kann.
2. Hitler’s National Socialism by Rainer Zitelmann Page 537
HTML https://ia801207.us.archive.org/13/items/adolf-hitler-archive/Hitler%27s%20National%20Socialism%202022.pdf
[quote]Goebbels wrote in his diary in January 1942 that “a lot
remained to be done in Germany. Capitalism was not yet
eliminated. There were still figures anxious to enrich
themselves even in wartime. The best thing would be to execute
them by firing squad but conditions were not yet ripe for
that.”[/quote]
Source :
1. The Nazi War against Capitalism by Nevin Gussack Page 80
2. Germany and the Second World War Edited by the
Militärgeschichtliches Forschungsamt (Research Institute for
Military History), Potsdam, Germany Page 765
[quote]Der Grund und Boden ist nationales Eigentum, letztlich
dem einzelnen nur zum Lehen gegeben. Es ist deshalb Pflicht,
soviel wie möglich herauszuholen!
English translation :
“Land is a national property, and is ultimately given to
individuals only as a loan” – Adolf Hitler, September 3,
1942[/quote]
Sources:
Hitler, A. (1980b). Monologe im Führerhauptquartier 1941–1944
(ed. W. Jochmann) Page 331
HTML https://ia904508.us.archive.org/2/items/monologe-im-fuehrerhauptquartier/Monologe_im_F%C3%BChrerhauptquartier.pdf
[quote]The New York Times, 21 February 1943
NAZI MILITARY DEFEAT BRINGS 'TOTAL WAR' HOME
Germany's Upper and Middle Classes Fear Hitler May Try to
Destroy Them
By GEORGE AXELSSON By Telephone to The New York Times.
The Junkers, the bourgeoisie and the small businessmen now think
that Hitler intends to sacrifice them on the altar of a 'total
war effort', Soviet style. They fear that this operation will
open the horizon of a permanent dictatorship of the proletariat,
also on the Stalinist model, in which process these classes will
disappear without any visible chance of revival… That Hitler
might also want to save his war by transforming the National
Socialist State into a National Communist State at the expense
of the middle and upper classes seems to be the main concern in
Berlin at this time.[/quote]
Source :
The New York Times: Sunday February 21, 1943. (2024). Retrieved
November 7, 2024, from Nytimes.com website:
HTML https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1943/02/21/88519072.html?pageNumber=76
[quote]The July Plot in 1944 was also used to further the
campaign against the landed Junker aristocracy in Germany.
Himmler’s physician reported that the SS leader told him that
“There will be no more princes. Hitler gave me the order to
finish off all the German princes and to do so immediately. He
suggested that the most important of them should be charged with
espionage and high treason, others with committing sexual
perversions. The People’s Court will thereby sentence them to
death. Goebbels wants the hangings to take place in Berlin
before the Imperial Palace. The princes should be herded on foot
down Unter den Linden. The German Work Front will provide the
necessary personnel who will spit on them and in this way give
expression to the anger of the nation…The property of the
princes will be divided between party members and Old
Fighters.”[/quote]
Source :
1. The Nazi War Against Capitalism by Nevin Gussack Page 59 - 60
2. Royals and the Reich: The Princes Von Hessen in Nazi Germany
by Jonathan Petropoulos Page 287
HTML https://archive.org/details/royalsreichprinc0000petr/page/286/mode/2up?q=Hitler+gave+me+the+order+to+finish+off+all+the+German+princes
[quote]During the last months of the Nazi dictatorship, Hitler
regretted that he did not exterminate the nobles; did not launch
an even more violent revolution “to destroy elites and classes;”
and that he did not free the working class from “the bourgeoisie
of fossils.”[/quote]
Source :
1. The Nazi War Against Capitalism by Nevin Gussack Page 57
2. Johnson, Paul. Modern Times (Harper Collins Publishers 1983)
page 413
HTML https://archive.org/details/moderntimesworld00john_1/page/412/mode/2up?q=bourgeoisie+of+fossils
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Re: National Socialists were socialists
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 29, 2025, 5:39 pm
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The National Socialism Basics page already has covered what you
are highlighting:
[quote]Private property is permitted for all citizens under
National Socialism (unlike under communism), but it is to be
understood that all private property within the living space has
merely been variously entrusted to various citizens by the
leader to hold in administration on the leader’s behalf, based
on the practical consideration that the leader cannot attend to
all of it simultaneously via state administration. Hitler’s
favourite example for explaining this concept is that the state
will let a citizen own farmland within the country, but only so
long as this citizen continues to produce sufficient food from
this farmland to feed the local community dependent on it;
otherwise, the leader had better promptly seize it and give it
to someone else more productive before people begin to starve!
Property (which derives from “proprietas” meaning “special”) is
hence distinguished from belonging (which derives from “be-” +
“lang” meaning “to go with”); the former is a duty of
citizenship, the latter a duty of leadership. This prevents
degeneration into feudalism, where landowners can conspire as an
oligarchy to interfere in politics via economic
leverage.[/quote]
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Re: National Socialists were socialists
By: antihellenistic Date: July 3, 2025, 8:02 pm
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Hitler did not support solidarity between classes, he was
against the bourgeois class.
[quote]On 26 March 1927 Hitler attacked the bourgeoisie and its
belief that business was the cure-all:
This is now the decadence, the downfall of the German
bourgeoisie, that its leading business organism is slackening
off. A Herr Stinnes was prepared to say that business would
rebuild Germany. No, my dear man, you are in the hereafter and
can look at Germany from there; business is building up nothing
at all. Nations and states have always only been built up by the
living force of self-preservation and business was always only a
means of feeding them. It was not business that brought Germany
down; we fell due to the lack of a unified national
organization. Our economy can only be lifted up again by the
creation of such a unity within our nation.[1][2][/quote]
Source :
1. Hitler's National Socialism by Rainer Zitelmann Page 302
2. BA/NS 26/54, f. 150, speech on 26 March 1927
[quote]Hitler is therefore arguing against business interests
primarily determining the policies of the state, and pointing to
the inevitable consequence that class differences would be
increased as soon as the economy were to become not merely the
secondary but the primary force. In the ideology which declared
business interests to be the primary interests, he saw a cause
for class division, and in the final analysis for the
dissolution of a social order:
"If today an entrepreneur is only thinking in business terms,
then his desire for profit is opposed to the desire of the
worker for higher wages. In brief, if everybody only thinks in
terms of business, then a nation does not only begin to split
into two, it begins to split into innumerable
classes."[1][2][/quote]
Source :
1. Hitler's National Socialism by Rainer Zitelmann Page 305
2. BA/NL Streicher, No 125, f. 8, speech on 8 December 1928
[quote]On the other hand Hitler frequently and emphatically
stated that the disposal of his property was in no way the
private affair of the industrialist. On 9 October 1934, for
example, he declared:
"Therefore wealth in particular does not only have greater
possibilities for enjoyment, but above all greater obligations.
The view that the utilization of a fortune no matter of what
size is solely the private affair of the individual requires to
be corrected all the more in the National Socialist state,
because without the contribution of the community no individual
would have been able to enjoy such an advantage."[/quote]
Source :
1. Speech on 9 October 1934 at the opening of the Winter Help
Campaign 1934/35, in ‘Führer Speeches to the Winter Help
Campaigns 1933–1936’, p. 7 et seq.
2. Hitler's National Socialism by Rainer Zitelmann Page 347
[quote]A Nazi newspaper commented that “The National Socialist
State has the reins of the economy in its hands… The vague
‘economic laws’ of liberalism… no longer apply; they are
replaced by the will and aims of the state… After twenty-one
months in power, National Socialism has become the master of the
economy.”[1] Bernhard Koehler noted in 1936: “Not only
Bolshevism, but Capitalism has been overthrown during Hitler’s
four years in power.”[2][3][/quote]
Source :
1. Fascism & Big Business by Daniel Guerin Page 250
2. “Four Year Plan: Hitler’s Programme Explained” Canberra Times
September 22, 1936 page 1.
HTML https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2429615?browse=ndp%3Abrowse%2Ftitle%2FC%2Ftitle%2F11%2F1936%2F09%2F22%2Fpage%2F657655%2Farticle%2F2429615
3. National Socialism War against Capitalism by Nevin Gussack
Page 40
[quote]On 14 November 1940 he said:
"In Germany, without my having touched private ownership in any
way, we have still set limits on ownership, that is to say those
limits which lie in the fact that no property can be used to the
disadvantage of another. We have not permitted the amassing of
capital out of profit on arms, for example; instead we set
limits here: 6 per cent, and of these 6 per cent, the first 50
per cent are taxed away, and the remaining 3 per cent, this must
be reinvested in some way, or else it too will be taxed away.
Anything which exceeds that must be put into a capital deposit
and is at the disposal of the Reich, of the state."
...
For Hitler the formal maintenance of private ownership was not
important. When the state has the unrestricted right to
determine the decisions of the owners of the means of
production, then the formal legal institution of private
ownership no longer means very much. This is what Pollock is
saying when he establishes a ‘destruction of all of the
essential traits of private ownership with the exception of
one’. The moment the owners of the means of production can no
longer freely decide about the content, timing and size of their
investments, essential characteristics of private ownership have
been abolished, even if the formal guarantee of private
ownership still remains. We know that Hitler preferred a slow
erosion of existing rights and institutions in the political or
constitutional area as well. In the field of economics the
formal legal title of ownership was relatively unimportant for
him, as long as the state was able step by step to seize the
actual power of disposal over the means of production and
land.[/quote]
Source :
1. Bouhler I/II, p. 324, speech on 14 November 1940. For the
underlying facts see Barkai, Economic System, p. 157 et seq.
2. Hitler's National Socialism by Rainer Zitelmann Page 347 -
348
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Re: Re: National Socialists were socialists
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 3, 2025, 8:28 pm
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"Hitler did not support solidarity between classes, he was
against the bourgeois class."
Your own chosen quotes literally contradict your claim:
[quote]It was not business that brought Germany down; we fell
due to the lack of a unified national organization. Our economy
can only be lifted up again by the creation of such a unity
within our nation.[/quote]
This is categorically refusing to blame business.
[quote]"If today an entrepreneur is only thinking in business
terms, then his desire for profit is opposed to the desire of
the worker for higher wages. In brief, if everybody only thinks
in terms of business, then a nation does not only begin to split
into two, it begins to split into innumerable
classes."[1][2][/quote]
This implies that entrepreneurs are acceptable provided they do
not think only in business terms. It also implies that workers
too can think only in terms of business, and that this is no
better. The final sentence is explictly opposed to class
division.
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Re: National Socialists were socialists
By: antihellenistic Date: July 3, 2025, 9:20 pm
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=3223.msg30550#msg30550
date=1751592525]
"Hitler did not support solidarity between classes, he was
against the bourgeois class."
Your own chosen quotes literally contradict your claim:
[quote]It was not business that brought Germany down; we fell
due to the lack of a unified national organization. Our economy
can only be lifted up again by the creation of such a unity
within our nation.[/quote]
This is categorically refusing to blame business.
[quote]"If today an entrepreneur is only thinking in business
terms, then his desire for profit is opposed to the desire of
the worker for higher wages. In brief, if everybody only thinks
in terms of business, then a nation does not only begin to split
into two, it begins to split into innumerable
classes."[1][2][/quote]
This implies that entrepreneurs are acceptable provided they do
not think only in business terms. It also implies that workers
too can think only in terms of business, and that this is no
better. The final sentence is explictly opposed to class
division.
[/quote]
Remember that many of Hitler's speeches, both in public and
private, complained about the existence of the bourgeois class.
:
Reply to Zea May's post on January 20, 2022, 08:59:16 pm
[quote]Ok, so we use state power to achieve social justice. But
what does that look like? I suppose for communists, that is
(exclusively?) economic. The economic have-nots receive
"justice" by taking a turn as the slave master over the
land-owners and business-owners (which actually includes
non-evil people and people who managed to build a successful
business due to actual talent, as well as non-productive
parasitic elites like financial speculators and talentless hacks
who inherited great wealth). As Hitler recognized, that is not
"real" socialism. That is not real social justice; that does not
really improve the fabric of society.[/quote]
Source :
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/national-socialism-is-revolutionary-not-reactionary/msg10717/#msg10717
There is no noble nature of a businessman/bourgeoisie. Because
they gain profit from taking the value of labor wages, which
value of labor wages comes from every product/service that has
been made by them in their work activities. And in fact Hitler
constantly spoke out against businessmen from all walks of life,
from small businesses to large-scale businesses.
Recall :
[quote]On 28 June 1930 Hitler wrote in the Illustrierte
Beobachter that the bourgeois parties and their men ‘were
capable of any nastiness’, that everything ‘the bourgeois
parties put their hands on’ goes under. ‘Were Bolshevism not out
to destroy the best racial élite, but only to clean out the
bourgeois party vermin, one would almost be tempted to bless
it.’ [1] [Page 228]
...
Many a bourgeois who condemns the worker’s striving for an
improvement in his economic situation with an outrage that is as
unwise as it is unjust would possibly suddenly think completely
differently if for only three weeks he would have had laid on
his shoulders the burden of the work demanded of the others.
Even today there are still countless bourgeois elements who most
indignantly reject a demand for a wage of ten marks a month, and
especially any sharp support of this, as a ‘Marxist crime’, but
display complete incomprehension when faced with a demand to
also limit the excessive profits of certain individuals. - Adolf
Hitler, 1 November 1930 [2][3][Page 206]
On 24 February 1940 Hitler declared that the
bourgeois-capitalist world had already collapsed, its age
already long outdated: This collapse must take place everywhere
in some form or other and it will not fail to materialize
anywhere.’ [6] The German nation could not, said Hitler, ‘live
with the bourgeois social order at all’. [4] In a conversation
with the Hungarian ‘Leader of the Nation’ Szálasi, Hitler
declared on 4 December 1944 that the ‘bourgeois European world’
would break down ever further and all that was left was the
alternative ‘that either a sensible social order were created on
a national level, or that Bolshevism would take over’. [5] [Page
230][/quote]
Source :
1. IB (Illustrierter Beobachter), 5th year set, issue 26 of 28
June 1930, p. 405
2. IB (Illustrierter Beobachter), 5th year set, issue 44 of 1
November 1930, p. 765
3. Hitler's National Socialism by Rainer Zitelmann Page 228, 206
and 230
HTML https://ia801207.us.archive.org/13/items/adolf-hitler-archive/Hitler%27s%20National%20Socialism%202022.pdf
4. Bouhler I/II, p. 162, speech on 24 February 1940
5. Ibid., p. 164
[quote]It is a matter of history that revolutions exert their
greatest fanaticism the last enemy. Now the last obstacle that
National Socialism had to overcome before the attainment of
power came, not from Communism or from what was called the
'system,' but from that borgeoise group who had backed Papen and
the Nationalist electoral bloc. The bourgeoisie was therefore
the 'last' enemy.[/quote]
Source :
To The Bitter End by Hans Bernd Gisevius Page 123
HTML https://archive.org/details/tobitterend00gise_0/page/122/mode/2up?q=their+first+great+campaign+against+those+very+bourgeois+circles
[quote]Most cruel joke of all, however, has been played by
Hitler & Co. on those German capitalists and small businessmen
who once backed National Socialism as a means of saving
Germany’s bourgeois economic structure from radicalism. The Nazi
credo that the individual belongs to the state also applies to
business. Some businesses have been confiscated outright, on
other what amounts to a capital tax has been levied. Profits
have been strictly controlled. Some idea of the increasing
Governmental control and interference in business could be
deduced from the fact that 80% of all building and 50% of all
industrial orders in Germany originated last year with the
Government. Hard-pressed for food-stuffs as well as funds, the
Nazi regime has taken over large estates and in many instances
collectivized agriculture, a procedure fundamentally similar to
Russian Communism [1][2]
...
By 1943, industrialists complained that the Nazis were siphoning
off 80 to 90 percent of business profits [3][4]
...
“If the individual is a means to the ends of the State, so too,
of course, is his property. Just as he is owned by the State,
his property is also owned by the State.” [5][6][/quote]
Source :
1. TIME. (1939, January 2). Adolf Hitler: Man of the Year, 1938.
Retrieved March 13, 2025, from TIME website:
HTML https://time.com/archive/6598257/adolf-hitler-man-of-the-year-1938/
2. Killing History: The False Left-Right Political Spectrum and
the Battle between the 'Free Left' and the 'Statist Left’ by Mr.
L.K. Samuels Page 150
3. Killing History: The False Left-Right Political Spectrum and
the Battle between the 'Free Left' and the 'Statist Left’ by Mr.
L.K. Samuels Page 149
4. Reisman, G. (2010, January 31). Why Nazism Was Socialism and
Why Socialism is Totalitarian | George Reisman. Retrieved
November 4, 2024, from YouTube website:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHpXjm78Pjs
5. Killing History: The False Left-Right Political Spectrum and
the Battle between the 'Free Left' and the 'Statist Left’ by Mr.
L.K. Samuels Page 148
6. Hitler's Beneficiaries: Plunder, Racial War, and the Nazi
Welfare State by Götz Aly Page 68
HTML https://archive.org/details/hitlersbeneficia0000alyg/page/68/mode/2up?q=80+to+90+percent+of+business+profits
[quote]It is noteworthy that Hitler compared the reactionary
‘Austrofascist’ Prince von Starhemberg – who took part in the
fight for freedom in Upper Silesia and 1923 in the Hitler putsch
but later came into conflict with the NSDAP, and who had been
the national leader of the Austrian ‘Home Defence’ since 1930
and was later Vice-Chancellor under Schuschnigg – with leader of
the KPD Thälmann. During the time of struggle Hitler had sharply
criticized the Austrian home defence formations because they
allied themselves with the bourgeois parties.[1]
After the seizure of power Hitler openly solicited members from
the Communist party. In a speech on 8 October 1935 he declared
that if the Communist ‘comes back to his senses and returns to
his nation, then he is highly welcome to us’.[2] The leader of
the DAF, Robert Ley, reports:
One of the strongest among many impressions was that moment
when, at the last Parteitag in Nuremberg [in 1935 – R.Z.], the
Führer went among the workers who had marched up outside his
quarters and welcomed them. How old? What occupation? Where did
you formerly stand politically? One of them answered: ‘I was a
Communist.’ The Führer takes the head of the young man between
his hands, looks at the young man for a long time and says: ‘So
will you all come! You must all come this way!’ [3]
...
Hitler’s remark that he ‘preferred the Communists a thousand
times over’ to men such as Starhemberg was merely consistent
within his Weltanschauung. He naturally felt himself to be
closer to the brave and courageous Communists, who were fighting
for the ideal of a Weltanschauung like he was, than to the
bourgeois reactionary forces.
In another table talk on 2 November 1941, during which he talked
about the ‘time of struggle’ and his ‘contempt’ for the
bourgeoisie which he had developed at this time, he said, ‘The
Communists and us, those were the only ones who also had women
who did not flinch when the shooting started. Those are decent
people with whom alone you can maintain a state.’[4]
...
Hitler was convinced that he had won over not only the majority
of the Social Democrats but also most of the Communists. During
a meeting with the Bulgarian regency council on 17 March 1944 he
declared, ‘In Germany the National Socialist party had
completely absorbed the Communists, with the exception of the
criminal elements who had been brutally
suppressed.’[5][6][/quote]
Source :
1. IB (Illustrierter Beobachter), 3rd year set, issue 22 of 20
October 1928, p. 267; IB, 4th sear set, issue 39 of 28 September
1929, p. 493; IB, 5th. year set, issue 1 of 4 January 1930, p.
5.
2. Speech at the opening of the third Winter Relief Campaign
1935-36 on October 8, 1935, in 'Führer Speeches for the Winter
Relief Campaign 1933-1936', pp. 17.
3. Ley, p. 212
4. Monologe im Führerhauptquartier 1941–1944 by Heinrich Heim
Page 37, 38, and 99
HTML https://archive.org/details/monologe-im-fuehrerhauptquartier
5. Conversation with the Bulgarian County Council on March 17,
1944, Hillgruber, Statesmen II, p. 387
6. Hitler's National Socialism by Rainer Zitelmann Page 537,
536, 538
HTML https://ia801207.us.archive.org/13/items/adolf-hitler-archive/Hitler%27s%20National%20Socialism%202022.pdf
[quote]We did not defend Germany against Bolshevism back then
because we were intending to do anything like conserve a
bourgeois world or go so far as to freshen it up. Had Communism
really intended nothing more than a certain purification by
eliminating isolated rotten elements from among the ranks of our
so-called ‘upper ten thousand’ or our equally worthless
Philistines, one could have sat back quietly and looked on for a
while. - Adolf Hitler, September 14, 1936[/quote]
Source :
Domarus, Max. The Complete Hitler: A Digital Desktop Reference
to His Speeches and Proclamations 1932-1945
HTML https://archive.org/stream/AdolfHitlerCollection/Hitler%20Complete_djvu.txt
[quote]The New York Times, February 21, 1943
NAZI MILITARY DEFEAT BRINGS 'TOTAL WAR' HOME
German Upper and Middle Classes Fear Hitler Might Try to Destroy
Them
By GEORGE AXELSSON By Telephone to The New York Times.
The Junkers, the bourgeoisie and the small businessmen now think
that Hitler intends to sacrifice them on the altar of a 'total
war effort,' in the Soviet style. They fear that this operation
will open the horizon of a permanent dictatorship of the
proletariat, also on the Stalinist model, in which these classes
will disappear without any visible chance of revival… That
Hitler might also want to save his war by transforming the
National Socialist State into a National Communist State at the
expense of the middle and upper classes seems to be the chief
worry in Berlin today.[/quote]
Source :
The New York Times: Sunday February 21, 1943. (2024). Retrieved
November 7, 2024, from Nytimes.com website:
HTML https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1943/02/21/88519072.html?pageNumber=76
[quote]Regarding the speaker's statement that Lenin was the
greatest man, second only to Hitler, and that the difference
between communism and Hitler's beliefs was very thin – Joseph
Goebbels[/quote]
Source :
The New York Times 1925-11-28: Vol 75 Iss 24780
HTML https://archive.org/details/sim_new-york-times_1925-11-28_75_24780/page/n3/mode/2up
[quote]Until now research has not recognized that Hitler’s
economic convictions, most notably his conviction concerning the
superiority of a system of a planned over a free economy, were
decisively shaped by his impressions of the superiority of the
Soviet economic system. Hitler’s admiration for the Soviet
system is also confirmed in the notes of Wilhelm Scheidt, who,
as adjutant to Hitler’s ‘representative for military history’
Scherff and a member of the Führer Headquarters group, had close
contact with Hitler and sometimes even took part in the
‘briefings’. Scheidt writes that Hitler underwent a ‘conversion
to Bolshevism’. From Hitler’s remarks, he says, the following
reactions could be derived: ‘Firstly, Hitler was enough of a
materialist to be the first to recognize the enormous armament
achievements of the USSR in the context of her strong, generous
and all- encompassing economic organization.’
...
Hitler frequently emphasized the communality between Fascism and
National Socialism during the ‘time of struggle’, i.e. during
the movement phase.127 In the system phase, however, he saw
substantial differences. The church, the king, reactionary
generals and capitalists still held important positions of power
in Italy. Mussolini had made concessions instead of proceeding
against them revolutionarily. Domestically, the Fascists had
allied themselves with reactionary, monarchist and capitalist
forces. Abroad they pursued an outdated colonial policy which
prevented Germany from developing alliances with revolutionary
movements of liberation.[/quote]
Source :
1. Hitler's National Socialism by Rainer Zitelmann Page 329 and
557
2. Scheidt, Post-war Recordings, IfZ Munich, pp. 24, 310 et
seq., 666 et seq.
[quote]NAZIS FEAR JUNKERS MIGHT GO OVER TO ALLIES
From Our Own Correspondent in London
The Nazis are slowly but methodically exterminating what remains
of the Junker class, reports Daily Mail's Berne correspondent,
Philip Jordan.
The prisons are no longer filled with Liberals, Socialists, and
Communists, for fear of whom the Junkers built nazism into a
power, but with Junkers themselves. Since the attempt on
Hitler's life last July it has been the Nazi policy to kill on
any or no pretext those with whom in Nazi opinion the Allies
might eventually agree to deal. All persons with any social
authority or pretensions to aristocratic lineage are subjected
to heavy persecution, especially if they have a wide
acquaintanceship in Britain.
Among them is Count Albrecht Bernstorff, who served the German
Embassy in London before the war and who, unless already
executed, lies under sentence of death on a charge of
"liberalism."
His real crime is that the Nazis imagine he might have
sufficient authority in British eyes to be considered a possible
armistice negotiator.[/quote]
Source :
The Argus (Melbourne, Vic. : 1848 - 1957) View title info Thu 1
Mar 1945 Page 16 NAZIS FEAR JUNKERS MIGHT GO OVER TO ALLIES
HTML https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/1103793?searchTerm=Nazis%20Fear%20Junkers%20Might%20Go%20Over%20to%20Allies
[quote]He [Hitler] voiced his radical regrets: that he had not
exterminated the German nobility, that he had come to power 'too
easily', not unleashing a classical revolution 'to destroy
elites and classes',' that he had supported Franco in Spain
instead of the Communists, that he had failed to put himself at
the head of a movement for the liberation of the colonial
peoples, 'especially the Arabs', that he had not freed the
working class from 'the bourgeoisie of fossils'. Above all he
regretted his leniency, his lack of the admirable ruthlessness
Stalin had so consistendy showed and which invited one's
'unreserved respect' for him. One of his last recorded remarks,
on 27 April 1945, three days before he killed himself (whether
by bullet or poison is disputed)[/quote]
Source :
Modern Times: The World from the Twenties to the Nineties by
Paul Johnson Page 413
HTML https://archive.org/details/moderntimesworld00john_1/mode/2up?q=to+destroy+elites+and+classes
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