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Drug addiction
By: Gambatte Date: June 11, 2025, 10:20 am
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What is the True Leftist opinion about addiction to hard drugs
and drug addicts in general? I noticed that drug harm reduction
principles are much more popular in left-leaning circles than
with rightists:
[quote]Harm reduction is exactly what it sounds like: reducing
the harm associated with using drugs through a variety of public
health interventions. But the concept relies on more than these
tools and begins, at the most fundamental level, with
recognizing that all people deserve safety and dignity. It does
not treat drug use as a moral failing.[/quote]
(Of course, I don't think everyone deserves safety and dignity.)
I know that True Leftists are against the War on Drugs, but I
was wondering if True Leftists criticize drug addicts
(especially those that are trying to recover but are
unsuccessful) for lack of willpower or other inner qualities.
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Re: Drug addiction
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 11, 2025, 4:09 pm
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The most immediate problem with drugs being illegal is that they
give power to drug cartels which could undermine the power of
the state. The correct countermeasure to this is for the state
to not only legalize selling of all drugs but itself sell them
at a far lower price, thereby driving the cartels out of
business.
Drugs may be unhealthy, but individuals should be allowed to
damage their own health if they wish to do so. A state which
prohibits individuals from damaging their own health is treating
such individuals as slaves, not as citizens. The duty of the
state is to ensure that non-drug-users are never negatively
affected by the choices of drug users. This can be accomplished
in two steps:
1) By limiting legal consumption of drugs to state-run drug
hotels (which can also be where the drugs are legally sold)
where drug users are quarantined from the rest of the population
(and from one another to whatever extent is preferred by each
individual) for the duration of the effects of the drugs.
2) By excluding drug users* from all public healthcare services,
thereby ensuring non-drug users never have to pay for health
problems experienced by drug users. Drug users should still be
able to access private healthcare services.
(* This exclusion should also apply to those who participate in
dangerous sports etc..)
I academically agree with rightist speculation that, other
factors being equal, a country A with more drug users is likely
to be less machinist than a country B with fewer drug users. But
whereas rightists hence prefer B, I hence prefer A.
With that said, we should not be satisfied with relying on drugs
to slow down machinism. We really need to end and reverse
machinism by eliminating machinist potential from the gene pool.
To the extent that drugs make machinist potential harder for us
to spot, this is the true danger of drugs from our perspective.
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Re: Drug addiction
By: IranMissiles Date: June 15, 2025, 10:57 pm
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If a drug addict came along tomorrow and ended the yearly
slaughter of 1.2 trillion non-humans then perhaps everyone would
be better off being a drug addict and the world would actually
be a better place because of it? Perhaps the only admirable
quality of hardcore drug addicts is the fact that they really do
not care about their human life, and most likely do not care
about all life in general? If true, then at least drug addicts
aren't hypocrites like westerners are? Westerners claim to care
about life but are part of, and help maintain, a system that
results in the murder and slaughter of 1.2 trillion innocent
non-humans every year!
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Re: Drug addiction
By: ReproductivePotential Date: June 25, 2025, 1:58 pm
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Thank you for your insight 90sRF, do you also have an opinion on
the following?
[quote]I was wondering if True Leftists criticize drug addicts
(especially those that are trying to recover but are
unsuccessful) for lack of willpower or other inner
qualities.[/quote]
I'm approaching this especially with regards to state-controlled
reproduction concerning drug addicts or individuals with
addictive personalities.
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Re: Drug addiction
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 25, 2025, 6:03 pm
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"I was wondering if True Leftists criticize drug addicts
(especially those that are trying to recover but are
unsuccessful) for lack of willpower or other inner qualities."
I would only be worried if addicts are trying to pass themselves
off as non-addicts when they are not, thereby deceiving others.
The system I proposed above would make it easy to check.
"I'm approaching this especially with regards to
state-controlled reproduction concerning drug addicts or
individuals with addictive personalities."
In my vision of state-controlled reproduction, who gets to
reproduce is decided during early childhood, specifically before
they are aware that they are being selected, in order to prevent
those with a stronger desire to reproduce (hence inferior) from
using effort to increase the chances of themselves being
selected. Drug use should not yet be an issue at that stage.
However, if between selection and reproduction the selected
individual becomes a drug user, the additional consideration
arises of whether or not the drugs could be producing negative
heritable consequences. This will depend on the particular drug
etc.. It is also not theoretically impossible that some drugs
could produce positive heritable consequences. Therefore I
cannot answer generally. If we wanted to err on the side of
caution, we could exclude all drug users. But once again, this
policy must not be known by those under selection, lest those
with a stronger desire to reproduce (hence inferior)
deliberately refrain from drug use in order to not be excluded.
As for addictive personalities, let's use video game addiction
as an example. I am not too worried about those who have to play
the same video game every day. I am far more worried about those
who eventually get bored with every game they try, and hence
keep seeking out new games. The latter I would definitely
prohibit from reproducing. See also:
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Re: Drug addiction
By: christianbethel Date: July 24, 2025, 10:11 am
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'As for addictive personalities, let's use video game addiction
as an example. I am not too worried about those who have to play
the same video game every day. I am far more worried about those
who eventually get bored with every game they try, and hence
keep seeking out new games. The latter I would definitely
prohibit from reproducing.'
What about people who play only one game everyday but always
switch to a new game that comes out based on the new game's
popularity?
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Re: Drug addiction
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 24, 2025, 5:37 pm
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What will they do when no more new games come out? Will they
stick to the last popular new game that came out? Or will they
look at what old games are popular and play whichever is the
most popular at any given time?
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Re: Drug addiction
By: christianbethel Date: July 27, 2025, 7:31 pm
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Both, based purely on observation.
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