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Sodom and Gomorrah
By: SirGalahad Date: January 20, 2025, 9:03 pm
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@90sRetroFan What do you think of the idea that Sodom and
Gomorrah wasn’t about homosexuality? It seems common among
left-leaning circles to interpret the story as being about r-pe
and inhospitality instead:
HTML https://reformationproject.org/case/sodom-and-gomorrah/amp/
HTML https://www.petertatchellfoundation.org/does-sodom-gomorrah-condemn-homosexuality/
And I’ve found a few left-leaning Muslims making similar
arguments (since the story is also found in the current Quran),
with an additional argument relating to translation of the
Arabic word بل:
HTML https://thefatalfeminist.com/2020/12/07/prophet-lut-a-s-and-bal-%D8%A8%D9%84-the-nahida-s-nisa-tafsir/
HTML https://thefatalfeminist.com/2018/05/12/same-sex-love/
HTML https://lampofislam.wordpress.com/category/same-sex-relationship/
Sorry for bombarding you with this many links at once. I’m just
curious, because some of the arguments seem fairly convincing on
the surface, but your current position is to simply agree that
the story of Sodom and Gomorrah is homophobic, since we have no
allegiance to the Tanakh anyways
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Re: Sodom and Gomorrah
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 20, 2025, 10:55 pm
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"your current position is to simply agree that the story of
Sodom and Gomorrah is homophobic, since we have no allegiance to
the Tanakh anyways"
This is correct. I academically agree with the Judaic homophobes
who use it to justify homophobia. Certainly, there is still
plenty else in the Tanakh besides this story that is homophobic:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_on_homosexuality#Homosexuality_in_the_Torah
[quote]The Book of Leviticus refers to male homosexual sexual
practices twice (JPS translation):
.וְאֶת-זָכָ
;ר,
לֹא
תִשְׁכַּב
מִשְׁכְּב&
#1461;י
אִשָּׁה —
תּוֹעֵבָה
הִוא‎
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is
detestable.[5]
.וְאִישׁ
אֲשֶׁר
יִשְׁכַּב
אֶת-זָכָר
מִשְׁכְּב&
#1461;י
אִשָּׁה —
תּוֹעֵבָה
עָשׂוּ
שְׁנֵיהֶם.
מוֹת
יוּמָתוּ;
דְּמֵיהֶם
בָּם‎
And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of them
have committed a detestable act: They shall surely be put to
death; their blood shall be upon them.[6][/quote]
Therefore even removing the story would not vindicate the Tanakh
from the charge of homophobia. On the other hand, the part in
bold is precisely what happened in the story.
But let us consider the hypothesis you have presented. Your
claim is that the story is a condemnation of ****. But:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodom_and_Gomorrah#Biblical_narrative
[quote]Lot welcomes them into his home, but all the men of the
town surround the house and demand that he surrender the
visitors that they may "know" them carnally.[citation needed]
Lot offers the mob his virgin daughters to "do to them as you
please", but they refuse and threaten to do worse to
Lot.[/quote]
Are you arguing that Lot's daughters volunteered? If so, why not
say that Lot's daughters offered themselves, but instead say
that Lot offered them? So if Lot offered them, would not this
imply that Lot has no problem with enabling **** (so long as it
is not the visitors who are the victims)? How then can the story
be a condemnation of ****, given that the visitors then saved
Lot?
[quote]The next morning, because Lot had lingered, the angels
take Lot, Lot's wife, and his two daughters by the hand and out
of the city, and tell him to flee to the hills and not look
back.
...
sulfur and fire on Sodom and Gomorrah and all the Plain, and all
the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the
ground[/quote]
If the story is a condemnation of ****, should not Lot, an
enabler of ****, have been hit by the sulphur and fire also?
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Re: Sodom and Gomorrah
By: christianbethel Date: January 24, 2025, 3:14 pm
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I also to remember his daughters intoxicating and råping him in
a cave and giving birth to the Moabites and Ammonites.
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