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Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: rp
Date: October 1, 2023, 10:59 am
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> Responding to:
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> [quote]aren't arranged marriages unromantic, since the person
in question isn't being given the freedom to potentially find
and marry the person that they instinctively know they love
enough to pledge life-long loyalty to?
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I am against arranged marriages where the subject does not have
a choice to turn down the suggestion. (This would be initiated
violence, which we are always against.)
The form of arranged marriage which I am claiming is superior to
free-market dating is where the subject can [b]turn down as many
suggestions as they want. [/B]This allows the subject to, in
your words, marry the person that they instinctively know they
love enough to pledge lifelong loyalty to. But it moreover
allows the subject to meet this person while avoiding the
thought process of "wanting to find someone" (practically a
prerequisite in free-market dating), such avoidance being
necessary for romantic love. As I have explained previously, the
moment you intentionally set out to find someone, romantic love
is already impossible, because whoever eventually fills the
vacancy has already been reduced to a vacancy-filler and thus a
mere commodity to satisfy your pre-existent desire.
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HTML https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svayamvara
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Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 1, 2023, 5:10 pm
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> Svayamvara (Sanskrit:
स्वयंवर, romanized:
svayaṃvara) is a type of marriage mentioned in Hindu
history where a woman chose a man as her husband from a group of
suitors. Svayaṁ in Sanskrit means 'self' and vara means
'groom'. The bride wishing to marry would select an auspicious
time and venue and then broadcast her intentions. Kings
typically sent messengers to outside lands, while commoners
simply spread the news within the local community. On the
appointed day, suitors would gather at the venue and declare
their qualifications. The bride would place a garland on the man
of her choice and a marriage ceremony was held immediately.
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Is this not also vacancy-filling?
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Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: rp
Date: October 1, 2023, 6:22 pm
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It depends, I think. Hypothetically, if the bride were open to
remaining single if none of the suitors were suitable, then it
wouldn't.
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Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 1, 2023, 7:34 pm
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The problem is that this:
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> The bride wishing to marry
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is in conflict with this:
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> it moreover allows the subject to meet this person while
avoiding the thought process of "wanting to find someone"
(practically a prerequisite in free-market dating), such
avoidance being necessary for romantic love. As I have explained
previously, the moment you intentionally set out to find
someone, romantic love is already impossible, because whoever
eventually fills the vacancy has already been reduced to a
vacancy-filler and thus a mere commodity to satisfy your
pre-existent desire.
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Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: rp
Date: October 1, 2023, 8:17 pm
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I see what you are saying, but wouldn't the bride wish to marry
first before the matchmakers pick out suitors for her? What I'm
getting at is, how would the matchmaking take place if the bride
was not interested in the first place?
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Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 1, 2023, 8:54 pm
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"how would the matchmaking take place if the bride was not
interested in the first place?"
They could get a tax cut for every matchmaking event they attend
(even if they leave without meeting anyone)? So the ideal
scenario would be both future partners go to the event purely to
get the tax cut, but then meet each other and fall for each
other so deeply that they would rather marry despite doing so
disqualifying them from all further matchmaking events (and the
associated tax cuts) for the rest of their lives!
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Re: Social Decolonization
DIR By: rp
Date: December 10, 2023, 5:28 pm
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Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: rp
Date: December 12, 2023, 12:14 pm
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The funny thing is some Westernized Muslims were replying to the
original tweet saying this proves that Hinduism is a
"degenerate" religion because it promotes "LGBT". Unfortunately,
some Hindus are also joining in on the homophobia whereas before
they were rightly condemning it as an "Abrahamic" (read: Judaic)
attitude.
This is the unfortunate consequence of using "LGBT rights" in
non-Western countries as a mechanism to dismantle homophobia.
I disagree with both "LGBT rights" and the homophobic
overreaction.
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Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: December 12, 2023, 4:45 pm
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See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/legal-decolonization/msg17454/#msg17454
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Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: rp
Date: January 30, 2024, 11:11 pm
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HTML https://twitter.com/VishweshvarDev/status/1751921592458760196?t=HQtiWS-MpFru-BuOv3XYXg&s=19<br
/>(Video and gif at link)
[quote]
Indian high-class societies imitate lower-class attitudes of the
west and show it off as western culture to low/mid class
Indians.
This GIF gives an example of how aristocratic and high class
parties really are, this is the peak western culture that can’t
be copied by lemurs.
[/Quote]
I agree that the partygoers in the quoted tweet are not
imitating actual Western culture as shown in the GIF. However
this does not mean that the partygoers are not themselves
attempting to imitate Western culture. As the original tweeter
suggests, they probably are attempting to imitate the lower
class attitudes of the West, being unable to imitate the higher
class attitudes. That being said, as cringeworthy as their
mannerisms are, I would rather they imitate the low class West
than the high class champagne sipping West, as many did during
the colonial era.
Moreover, partying/dancing (even with alcohol) does not have to
necessarily mean one should imitate the West. We can have
non-Western alcohol, non-Western dance, non-Western music, etc.
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