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Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: rp
Date: November 21, 2021, 9:15 pm
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How about in terms of reducing parental tyranny? Do you think
one is better than the other, or that it varies on a case by
case basis?
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Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: November 21, 2021, 10:46 pm
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It varies. In the optimistic projection, having other people
living in the house at least makes it harder for parental
tyranny to be completely hidden from third-party view, and at
best could mean more chance that some of them actively intervene
to defend the children. It often seems to be the case that
uncles/aunts who themselves never reproduced tend to treat the
children in the house (their nephews/nieces) much better than
those children's parents do. In the pessimistic projection, if
the household consists of two or more sets of parents (so now we
are talking about uncles/aunts with offspring of their own), the
sets of parents could end up engaging in competitive parental
tyranny!
(Then again, compulsory schooling often leads to competitive
parental tyranny between classmates' parents anyway. So [nuclear
family plus compulsory schooling] (the Western combination)
would be no better overall than [extended family but no
compulsory schooling] (the non-Western combination).
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Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 4, 2022, 9:41 pm
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HTML https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10365049/Team-nine-black-climbers-attempt-scale-Mount-Everest-tackle-sports-colonial-history.html
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> A team of nine black climbers is attempting to scale Mount
Everest to tackle the mountain's 'intentional lack of access for
black people' and mountaineering's 'colonial history'.
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Western colonialists did it, so False Leftists feel a need to
show that the victims of Western colonialism can do the same?
(This tacitly implies that you admit the Western colonialists
are superior. Even if you manage to climb the same mountain they
did, they still did it first, therefore they will remain
superior.) The True Left approach is to despise the Homo Hubris
hobbies as inferior:
HTML https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/incidents/close-the-mountain-mt-everest-has-become-the-epitome-of-arrogance/news-story/78b4f97d3e5e531c5b31d80c9c131621
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> Climbing Everest is not sport or “living your best life”; it’s
become the epitome of heartless, self-serving arrogance.
> ...
>
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> Sacks of garbage collected from Mount Everest.
> ...
> it has become a grotesque theme park for cashed-up, kitted-up
corporates and thrillseekers who see it as a notch on their belt
and a post on their Instagram.
>
> The mountain is making monsters out of all of us: the
middle-class adventure seekers who clearly think it requires
little more training than a Saturday fun run; the companies
responsible for this ugly commercialisation of risk; the voyeurs
who click on the ever more disturbing photographs and video that
pop up each May as the perilously short climbing season gets
underway.
>
> Honestly, if we’re trying to rid our oceans of plastic then
we’re equally responsible for clearing our tallest peaks of both
human detritus and the grievous lack of integrity and care that
causes it.
>
> As in so much of life, just because we can doesn’t mean we
should.
> ...
> Where we should step in is when innocent people or the planet
are harmed. When ambition exceeds competency to such an extent
that others’ lives are put in jeopardy and the wilderness loses
its mystique. Everest is strewn with disused oxygen tanks,
broken ladders, frayed ropes and frozen bodies, some of whom
belong to the Sherpas who are collateral casualties in Western
egotism.
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Non-Westerners historically almost never climbed mountains
recreationally prior to the colonial era. It is a
characteristically Western activity:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountaineering
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> In 1757 Swiss scientist Horace-Bénédict de Saussure made the
first of several unsuccessful attempts on Mont Blanc in France.
He then offered a reward to anyone who could climb the mountain,
which was claimed in 1786 by Jacques Balmat and Michel-Gabriel
Paccard. The climb is usually considered an epochal event in the
history of mountaineering, a symbolic mark of the birth of the
sport.[11][13]
>
> By the early 19th century, many of the alpine peaks were
reached, including the Grossglockner in 1800, the Ortler in
1804, the Jungfrau in 1811, the Finsteraarhorn in 1812, and the
Breithorn in 1813.[11] In 1808, Marie Paradis became the first
woman to climb Mont Blanc, followed in 1838 by Henriette
d'Angeville.[15]
>
> The beginning of mountaineering as a sport in the UK is
generally dated to the ascent of the Wetterhorn in 1854 by
English mountaineer Sir Alfred Wills, who made mountaineering
fashionable in Britain. This inaugurated what became known as
the Golden Age of Alpinism, with the first mountaineering club –
the Alpine Club – being founded in 1857.[16][17]
>
> One of the most dramatic events was the spectacular first
ascent of the Matterhorn in 1865 by a party led by English
illustrator Edward Whymper, in which four of the party members
fell to their deaths. By this point the sport of mountaineering
had largely reached its modern form, with a large body of
professional guides, equipment, and methodologies.[13]
>
> In the early years of the "golden age", scientific pursuits
were intermixed with the sport, such as by the physicist John
Tyndall. In the later years, it shifted to a more competitive
orientation as pure sportsmen came to dominate the London-based
Alpine Club and alpine mountaineering overall.[18] The first
president of the Alpine Club, John Ball, is considered to be the
discoverer of the Dolomites, which for decades were the focus of
climbers like Paul Grohmann and Angelo Dibona.[19] At that time,
the edelweiss also established itself as a symbol of alpinists
and mountaineers.[20][21]
>
> Expansion around the world
>
> In the 19th century, the focus of mountaineering turned
towards mountains beyond the Alps, and by the turn of the 20th
century, mountaineering had acquired a more international
flavour.[22]
>
> In 1897 Mount Saint Elias (18,008 ft (5,489 m)) on the
Alaska-Yukon border was summitted by the Duke of the Abruzzi and
party.[23] In 1879–1880 the exploration of the highest Andes in
South America began when English mountaineer Edward Whymper
climbed Chimborazo (20,549 ft (6,263 m)) and explored the
mountains of Ecuador.[24] It took until the late 19th century
for European explorers to penetrate Africa. Mount Kilimanjaro in
Africa was climbed in 1889 by Austrian mountaineer Ludwig
Purtscheller and German geologist Hans Meyer, Mount Kenya in
1899 by Halford Mackinder.[25]
>
> The last frontier: The Himalayas
>
> The last and greatest mountain range was the Himalayas in
South Asia. They had initially been surveyed by the British
Empire for military and strategic reasons. In 1892 Sir William
Martin Conway explored the Karakoram Himalayas, and climbed a
peak of 23,000 ft (7,000 m). In 1895 Albert F. Mummery died
while attempting Nanga Parbat, while in 1899 Douglas Freshfield
took an expedition to the snowy regions of Sikkim.[26]
>
> In 1899, 1903, 1906, and 1908 American mountaineer Fanny
Bullock Workman (one of the first professional female
mountaineers) made ascents in the Himalayas, including one of
the Nun Kun peaks (23,300 ft (7,100 m)). A number of Gurkha
sepoys were trained as expert mountaineers by Charles Granville
Bruce, and a good deal of exploration was accomplished by
them.[26]
>
> In 1902 the Eckenstein-Crowley Expedition, led by English
mountaineer Oscar Eckenstein and English occultist Aleister
Crowley was the first to attempt to scale K2. They reached
22,000 feet (6,700 m) before turning back due to weather and
other mishaps. Undaunted, in 1905 Crowley led the first
expedition to Kangchenjunga, the third highest mountain in the
world, in an attempt described as "misguided" and
"lamentable".[26][why?]
>
> Eckenstein was also a pioneer in developing new equipment and
climbing methods. He started using shorter ice axes which could
be used single-handed, designed the modern crampons and improved
on the nail patterns used for the climbing boots.[27]
>
> By the 1950s, all the eight-thousanders but two had been
climbed starting with Annapurna in 1950 by Maurice Herzog and
Louis Lachenal on the 1950 French Annapurna expedition. The
highest of these peaks Mount Everest was climbed in 1953 after
the British had made several attempts in the 1920s; the 1922
expedition reached 8,320 metres (27,300 ft) before being aborted
on the third summit attempt after an avalanche killed seven
porters. The 1924 expedition saw another height record achieved
but still failed to reach the summit with confirmation when
George Mallory and Andrew Irvine disappeared on the final
attempt. The summit was finally reached on 29 May 1953 by Sir
Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay from the south side in
Nepal.[26]
>
> Just a few months later, Hermann Buhl made the first ascent of
Nanga Parbat (8,125 m), on the 1953 German–Austrian Nanga Parbat
expedition, a siege-style expedition culminating in a last 1,300
meters walking alone, being under the influence of drugs:
pervitin (based on the stimulant methamphetamine used by
soldiers during World War II), padutin and tea from coca leaves.
K2 (8,611 m), the second-highest peak in the world, was first
scaled in 1954 by Lino Lacedelli and Achille Compagnoni. In
1964, the final eight-thousander to be climbed was Shishapangma
(8,013 m), the lowest of all the 8,000-metre peaks.[26] Reinhold
Messner from the Dolomites was then the first to climb all
eight-thousanders up to 1986.[28]
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Anyone who thinks this is admirable should be prohibited from
reproducing.
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Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: guest55
Date: January 7, 2022, 9:37 pm
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The only mountain one need ever climb in their lifetime's is the
mountain upon which stands the temple of truth!
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Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 7, 2022, 10:33 pm
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Another uniquely (wasteful) Western hobby which we also despise
is skydiving:
HTML https://myskydivingfootprint.org/
The only scenario in which non-Westerners would be justified in
skydiving would be for military purposes. Civilian skydiving for
recreational purposes is barbaric. And Westerners always find a
way to make barbarism even more barbaric:
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Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: guest55
Date: January 7, 2022, 10:48 pm
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Not only does it scare the dogs but it also gets you views,
which is obviously more important than anything!
Youtuber Possibly Crashed Plane for Views
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwbNmT1ZWYE
Comment:
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> Not only was he wearing a parachute which he doesn't usually
do, he was also wearing a camera specifically for skydiving on
his wrist. Which he uses when he does skydiving usually. He was
clearly intending on going skydiving when he took off in that
plane and not just spreading ashes or going for a cruise.
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Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: acc9
Date: April 1, 2022, 7:20 am
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojRgr6h68IQ
Ascension - a documentary film on China that has reaped several
film awards for providing uncomfortable insight into the less
than promising implications if the country was to continue on
its present path of economic and technological advancement but
without awareness of how they've sadly missed the mark for
elevation as they aim to measure up to 'Western' etiquette and
demeanors for cultural excellence.
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Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 3, 2022, 10:52 pm
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OK, I watched the full documentary, and encourage everyone here
to do the same (and come back here to discuss it further if you
want to). The trailer does not show the worst parts; you really
need to see the whole thing. The following review contains a
brief description of some of what is included:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ascension-review-oscar-nominated-doc-221118370.html
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> from assembly lines where women prepare silicone sex dolls for
demanding clients to private dining rooms where nouveau-riche
elites learn how to eat a banana with fork and knife.
> ...
> The midsection of the film focuses on those enrolled in
various seminars and coaching sessions to improve their
standing. Women learn business etiquette, including when to hug
and how to smile (pleasantly expose the upper eight teeth),
while men study to become butlers or bodyguards.
> ...
> Finally, in the film’s last half-hour, Kingdon enters the
realm of wealth and leisure, revealing how those with disposable
income spend their free time — in video arcades and amusement
parks, or educating themselves on fine European cuisine.
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(I hardly need to say that the sex dolls are designed to look
like "whites".)
This is what happens when improvement is equated with
Westernization. I see it as both a lament to how China has
utterly failed to avoid the trap of Westernization, and a
warning to other formerly colonized countries - which still have
a chance to choose - to not go down this same fallen path as
China.
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> a galling late scene watches an oblivious influencer
complaining of possible heat stroke while ignoring the gardener
working just a few yards away.
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The gardener with the straw hat, bent back, etc. visually looks
just like how colonial-era Western propaganda used to stereotype
Chinese peasants. Presumably this is the stereotype that the
influencer wants (at least subconsciously) to distance herself
as far away from as possible. Yet the scene is set up to leave
no doubt that the gardener is the relatively more respectable
individual (notwithstanding the indignity of having to work on a
Western-style lawn:
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signifying the imprisonment within Western forms that even a
(perhaps) internally non-Westernized Chinese must now
endure.....).
Can China still extricate itself from all this? Possibly (I am
not optimistic), but first it must vividly remember what it
truly means to be Chinese as understood in ancient times (and
re-expressed in Counterculture-era pop music):
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsIBE8dBoZY
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Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 7, 2022, 1:19 am
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Responding to:
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> aren't arranged marriages unromantic, since the person in
question isn't being given the freedom to potentially find and
marry the person that they instinctively know they love enough
to pledge life-long loyalty to?
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I am against arranged marriages where the subject does not have
a choice to turn down the suggestion. (This would be initiated
violence, which we are always against.)
The form of arranged marriage which I am claiming is superior to
free-market dating is where the subject can turn down as many
suggestions as they want. This allows the subject to, in your
words, marry the person that they instinctively know they love
enough to pledge lifelong loyalty to. But it moreover allows the
subject to meet this person while avoiding the thought process
of "wanting to find someone" (practically a prerequisite in
free-market dating), such avoidance being necessary for romantic
love. As I have explained previously, the moment you
intentionally set out to find someone, romantic love is already
impossible, because whoever eventually fills the vacancy has
already been reduced to a vacancy-filler and thus a mere
commodity to satisfy your pre-existent desire.
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Re: Social decolonization
DIR By: SirGalahad
Date: April 7, 2022, 1:42 am
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Yeah, perhaps I should've worded it better. By "find" I mean
cross paths with. Not necessarily to go actively looking for.
I've read your position on dating apps and anything adjacent
before, and it makes sense.
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