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Red-Green-Brown Alliance
By: Mujahid Date: July 9, 2024, 11:56 am
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What needs to be done is an ideology that is simple for the
masses to believe and can reach a wide audience quick to cause a
revolution and take a country so it gets taken out of the
Western Imperialist Alliance.
Anti-Zionist Leftists, Environmentalists, Muslims and Fascists
VS
Liberals, Conservatives and Neofascists.
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Re: Red-Green-Brown Alliance
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 9, 2024, 6:18 pm
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"Western Imperialist Alliance"
Please define this term.
Also, I'm not sure "Red-Green-Brown Alliance" as used in your
topic title is the appropriate term for what we want given its
existing usage:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red%E2%80%93green%E2%80%93brown_alliance
[quote]The term red–green–brown alliance, originating in France
in the 2000s, refers to the alliance of leftists (red),
Islamists (green), and the far right (brown).[1][2][3][/quote]
The only thing we should want to do with the far-right is
exterminate them. Allying with them would betray everything we
stand for. In particular, Zionism is part of the far-right, so
allying with the far-right would logically turn us into
Zionists, contrary to your objective.
Nevertheless, please feel welcome to elaborate on what you
envision in terms of political positions before we discuss who
should be a part of it.
"an ideology that is simple for the masses to believe"
In my view, it doesn't get simpler than anti-colonialism, which
believes the colonial era should never have happened (hence ties
in spontaneously with environmentalism, since industrialization
happened during the same era, and more broadly with
anti-progressivism in general). This geopolitically unifies all
former victims of Western colonialism against all former Western
colonial powers. The key is to get America to perceive itself as
among the former. We were closest to this during the late
Counterculture era when the US collaborated with China in
supporting Afghanistan against Russia:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/military-decolonization/msg6761/#msg6761
opposed Apartheid South Africa:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/arctic-alliance/msg21287/#msg21287
and bombed Serbia:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/remembering-the-yugoslav-wars/msg109/#msg109
All we needed to do was turn the US against Israel (itself a
product of the colonial era via the Balfour Declaration) also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/anti-racism-before-the-counterculture-era-ended/msg8884/#msg8884
and everything would have been correctly aligned. Unfortunately
9/11 blew everything off-course. But now the destruction of Gaza
by Israel:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/re-war-2249/
is exposing more clearly than ever that the US has been siding
with the villain. So now we have a chance to steer the US back
to where it should have been.
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Re: Red-Green-Brown Alliance
By: Mujahid Date: July 10, 2024, 6:46 pm
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No far-right then although there seems to be at least quite a
few ethnonationalist groups that are against Israel, support
Palestine, Iran, Afghanistan etc.
At the marches of Palestine all the main groups I see are
socialists, communists whether Stalinists or Trotskyists,
social-democrats, anarchists etc.
Most of these groups above are more likely to be pro-Russia than
pro-America which is seen as a lost case unless there is a
revolution and the Democrats are seen as part of the system as
much as the Republicans, from what I see you seem to be against
war among different classes.
Anti-colonialism is one. Are you for corporatism as opposed to
capitalism? In any case we do not have to agree with everything
but if you offer what I feel are good ideas I will take them,
people change beliefs with time and experience.
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Re: Red-Green-Brown Alliance
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 10, 2024, 8:57 pm
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"ethnonationalist groups that are against Israel"
They are not to be trusted. They are what we call the Boromir
Syndrome groups.
"support Palestine, Iran, Afghanistan etc."
Ask them if they support these countries receiving compensation
from the Western colonial powers (mainly Britain and Russia)
which colonized them. Ask them if they support the same Western
colonial powers even receiving refugees from these countries.
No, they only 'support' these countries as pawns against Israel.
'
"you seem to be against war among different classes."
I am against the communist sense of class warfare which is
motivated by the promise of luxury for the currently poor:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-ugly-48/msg3911/#msg3911
I am not against any movement which in principle wants to remove
luxury from society altogether (which in practice would involve
removing it more from the currently rich than from the currently
poor). However, I would not use the term "class warfare" to
label the latter, as a rich person who lives frugally would be
less affected than a poor person who lives less frugally.
"Are you for corporatism as opposed to capitalism?"
Under present circumstances where the overriding priority is to
prevent the Singularity:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/if-western-civilization-does-not-die-soon/msg103/#msg103
I am for whichever slows down machine innovation more. To the
extent that corporatism is supposedly (according to capitalists)
less innovation-friendly, I prefer the former, though I actually
dislike both.
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Re: Red-Green-Brown Alliance
By: Mujahid Date: July 15, 2024, 9:06 am
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This 1/4 Jamaican 1/4 Irish 1/2 English Black Hebrew Israelite
Uncle Tom at my house here in Britain is trying to accuse me of
Nazi-Islamo-Leftism from the marches to the police and he tried
to push me against the wall so he recorded me shouting in
German, it seems I am being recorded, followed, poisoned and
they know everything.
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Re: Red-Green-Brown Alliance
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 15, 2024, 4:40 pm
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"trying to accuse me of Nazi-Islamo-Leftism from the marches to
the police"
It is not illegal in the UK to support a political ideology. It
is even legal in the UK to question the "Holocaust":
[img]
HTML https://preview.redd.it/legality-of-holocaust-denial-in-the-world-v0-m8f83789bsbd1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=135a638a9c031ca6f0764a27f2636ea1b2b528d3[/img]
The police should not be able to charge you with anything. You
should admit your ideology proudly.
"poisoned"
If you have evidence of this, you should go to the police so
they can arrest him!
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Re: Red-Green-Brown Alliance
By: Mujahid Date: July 16, 2024, 1:37 pm
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No evidence as the food could have gone bad. The ideology seems
absurd to most people and therefore it is taken as me joking.
Even with Leftists I have to do taqiyya.
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Re: Red-Green-Brown Alliance
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 16, 2024, 6:09 pm
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"The ideology seems absurd to most people and therefore it is
taken as me joking. "
Your duty is to change this. Get them to take it seriously.
Whether they agree with the ideology or disagree with it, at
least get them to admit it is a coherent ideology.
"Even with Leftists I have to do taqiyya."
What you should be doing instead is challenging their ideology
with hard questions, in the process proving that True Leftism
has answers to many issues that False Leftism does not.
At the very least, you should never hide that you are
anti-Western, as the need to hide it suggests even you yourself
are ashamed of being anti-Western. Only by being proudly
anti-Western will we take the moral high ground for our side.
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Re: Red-Green-Brown Alliance
By: Mujahid Date: July 16, 2024, 7:07 pm
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1. It goes without saying that it all starts with being
anti-Western, anti-colonialist and anti-Zionist.
2. I am going to keep religious activity to a minimum (Fridays,
Eids and Ashura) as many just wait for the Mahdi without
preparing the path for him, and meet with the leftists once a
week or twice.
3. Then I have to really fix my material life, get educated and
have a stable career, get fit and into martial arts, this part
is my biggest weakness at the moment as I have chosen to
struggle alone from 18 and I have been an escapist.
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Re: Red-Green-Brown Alliance
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 16, 2024, 7:38 pm
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"Eids"
I hope you are excluding:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eid_al-Adha
"Ashura"
I hope you are referring to the Shia version:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashura
[quote]For Sunni Muslims, Ashura marks the parting of the Red
Sea by Moses and the salvation of the Israelites. Also on this
day, Noah disembarked from the Ark, God forgave Adam, and Joseph
was released from prison, among various other auspicious events
having occurred on Ashura according to Sunni tradition.
...
By contrast, for Shia Muslims, Ashura is a day of mourning as
they annually commemorate the death of Husayn ibn Ali, grandson
of the Islamic prophet Muhammad and the third Shia imam. Husayn
refused on moral grounds to pledge his allegiance to the Umayyad
caliph Yazid ibn Mu'awiya (r. 680–683) and was
subsequently killed, alongside most of his male relatives and
his small retinue, by the Umayyad army in the Battle of Karbala
on Ashura 61 AH (680 CE). Among the Shia, mourning for Husayn is
viewed as an act of protest against oppression, a struggle for
God, and a means of securing the intercession of Husayn in the
afterlife.[/quote]
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