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Re: Hinduism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 14, 2025, 3:19 pm
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"What on earth do you think health is for?"
Certainly not for minimizing change. If it were, healthy
children would never grow, let alone mature.
"Hahahha Now that's just dishonest."
The burden is on you to explain how.
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Re: Hinduism
DIR By: Aucontraire
Date: August 14, 2025, 6:14 pm
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan ---
> Certainly not for minimizing change. If it were, healthy
children would never grow, let alone mature.
--- End Quote ---
Is your concern about minimizing harmful, non-consensual change,
or change in general?? Not everyone wants to stay as babies.
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> The burden is on you to explain how.
--- End Quote ---
The debate is there for you and everyone else to see your
argument wasn't "I don't consent to sex." Nice red herring
though.
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Re: Hinduism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 14, 2025, 7:07 pm
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"Not everyone wants to stay as babies."
They can mature without my help.
"your argument wasn't "I don't consent to sex.""
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/hinduism/msg30762/#msg30762
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> if you view a woman as a goddess, you would just as obviously
not want to have sex with her, because you would prefer to keep
her unchanged.
--- End Quote ---
So if you view a woman as a goddess, you would not consent to
sex with her, because you would prefer to keep her unchanged.
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Re: Hinduism
DIR By: Aucontraire
Date: August 14, 2025, 7:37 pm
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan ---
> So if you view a woman as a goddess, you would not consent to
sex with her, because you would prefer to keep her unchanged.
>
--- End Quote ---
Which is an entirely different argument to your cute little red
herring.
We have established that a woman is not necessarily changed by
having sex. We have also established that autonomy is important
to women, not material permanence per se (which would be
especially true for a goddess, who is by definition above the
material world.) Next.
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Re: Hinduism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 15, 2025, 6:05 am
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"Which is an entirely different argument to your cute little red
herring."
You are illiterate.
"We have established that a woman is not necessarily changed by
having sex."
We have established that you at best have a short memory and at
worst are a liar:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/hinduism/msg30778/#msg30778
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> [quote]I see you have ignored my hymen point
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It was boring.[/quote]
"We have also established that autonomy is important to women"
A woman can demand sex from me. I can refuse. Does my refusal
remove her autonomy?
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Re: Hinduism
DIR By: Aucontraire
Date: August 15, 2025, 2:28 pm
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan ---
> You are illiterate.
--- End Quote ---
Because I don't think saying "I don't consent to sex with her"
is the same as saying "if you view a woman as a goddess, you
would not consent to sex with her"?
This goes far beyond literacy. You are insane.
Similarly insane is thinking some women possibly having their
hymen broken by vaginal sex specifically, proves that all sex
always changes women.
It's not even an interesting point. You would've looked less
ridiculous if you just let the hymen comment bury itself.
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> A woman can demand sex from me. I can refuse. Does my refusal
remove her autonomy?
--- End Quote ---
Obviously not. That is some kind of rapey incel thinking.
Autonomy literally means self-choice. It doesn't mean you get to
decide what others do.
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Re: Hinduism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 15, 2025, 4:15 pm
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"I don't think saying "I don't consent to sex with her" is the
same as saying "if you view a woman as a goddess, you would not
consent to sex with her"?"
If you view a woman as a goddess, you would not consent to sex
with her.
If I view a woman as a goddess, I would not consent to sex with
her.
I don't consent to sex with her (this woman whom I am viewing as
a goddess).
Is your grammatical struggle resolved?
"Similarly insane is thinking some women possibly having their
hymen broken by vaginal sex specifically, proves that all sex
always changes women."
This was just a trivial counterexample to point out the
falsehood of your assertion that only sex that leads to
fertilization changes women.
"Obviously not."
So what are you complaining about?
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Re: Hinduism
DIR By: Aucontraire
Date: August 15, 2025, 7:39 pm
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan ---
> If you view a woman as a goddess, you would not consent to sex
with her.
> If I view a woman as a goddess, I would not consent to sex
with her.
> I don't consent to sex with her (this woman whom I am viewing
as a goddess).
--- End Quote ---
I can play this game too:
If you care about justice, you would not consent to playing 90s
retro games.
If I care about justice, I would not consent to playing 90s
retro games.
I don't consent to playing 90s retro games (I care about
justice.)
If you disagree with my premise (that caring about justice means
you wouldn't consent to playing 90s retro games,) then you're
saying I should play 90s retro games against my will! Otherwise
what are you complaining about? 🤪
--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan ---
> your assertion that only sex that leads to fertilization
changes women.
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Excuse me? When did I say this?
Will you ever stop using dishonest debate tactics?
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Re: Hinduism
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 15, 2025, 9:01 pm
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"what are you complaining about?"
I am not complaining. Are you?
"Excuse me? When did I say this?"
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/hinduism/msg30774/#msg30774
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> [quote]Whatever the mechanism, she has been changed as a
consequence of sex. That is not what we should prefer if we view
women as proposed earlier.
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As a consequence of fertilization, not sex, which may or may not
result in fertilization[/quote]
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Re: Hinduism
DIR By: Aucontraire
Date: August 16, 2025, 2:12 pm
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan ---
> I am not complaining. Are you?
--- End Quote ---
You don't disagree with the idea that wanting to play 90s retro
games means you don't care about justice?
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> [quote]Whatever the mechanism, she has been changed as a
consequence of sex. That is not what we should prefer if we view
women as proposed earlier.
--- End Quote ---
As a consequence of fertilization, not sex, which may or may not
result in fertilization[/quote]
This was so obviously in reference to the specific type of
change we were discussing.
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