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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 4, 2022, 3:06 am
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Using human volunteers would be preferable in that it avoids
further initiated violence. However, no matter who is used for
experimentation, our worry is that eventually Western
civilization will offer commodified physical immortality.
Thereafter the vampires would be even more motivated to defend
Western civilization, as the end of Western civilization would
imply the vampires becoming mortal again, which they would
surely be terrified of. Therefore the best time to kill Western
civilization is before any of this happens.
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
DIR By: guest30
Date: August 4, 2022, 7:00 am
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@90sRetroFan
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> This is why I am not crazy when I call for WMDs to be used now
against any Western countries not on the verge of being
reclaimed demographically. By not doing so, not only will far
more people be killed eventually (than would be killed by the
WMDs now), but the people being killed most will be the people
who had least to do with bringing the machines into existence.
This is how it always is with the products of Western
civilization.
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Even Hitler regime was killing the people who made the machines
into existence and totally damaged their civilizations.
30.000.000 deaths. That is good nostalgia...
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 8, 2022, 12:42 pm
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If Hitler had won WWII, the following would not exist at least:
HTML https://futurism.com/neoscope/synthetic-embryo-stem-cell-controversy
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> Led by molecular geneticist Joseph Hanna, a team of
researchers at Israel's Wizemann Institute of Science managed to
create a synthetic mouse "embryo" in a lab without fertilized
eggs or a uterus, potentially allowing us to get a glimpse of
what happens in the early stages of human pregnancy as well.
>
> This new embryo model, as detailed in the team's paper
published this week in the journal Cell, was able to mimic all
the makings of an early body, "including precursors of heart,
blood, brain and other organs" as well as "the 'support' cells
like those found in the placenta and other tissues required to
establish and maintain a pregnancy,"
> ...
> Bio Renewal wants to create embryo-stage versions of humans so
that it can harvest tissues for transplants.
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 15, 2022, 8:11 pm
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HTML https://us.yahoo.com/news/future-astronauts-may-breathe-easier-221752125.html
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> Breathe easy, astronauts: Scientists just paved the way for a
technique to produce breathable oxygen on the International
Space Station (ISS) using magnets—a potentially much cheaper
strategy than the technologies currently used. The goal isn’t
simply to cut the costs of supporting astronauts in space right
now, but to make the entire endeavor of human space travel more
accessible down the road.
> ...
> Of course, the next big step is to actually test this out in
space. Romero-Calvo said he and his team are looking to do just
that. If their extraterrestrial trials go well, scientists will
have gotten one step closer to making life outside Earth a
reality.
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In a sane world, assassinations of space machinists would be
happening daily by now.
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 27, 2022, 12:13 am
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbIgjGx3XfM
Anyone interested in becoming a vampire slayer? Let us know
here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/volunteer/
By the way, mainstream journalism is picking up on the
terminology we started using first:
HTML https://us.yahoo.com/news/jared-kushner-stays-shape-preparation-210913292.html
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> Jared Kushner was born in 1981, which is on the cusp of
Generation X and millennials — so it’s unclear with which he
identifies. But maybe we should say he’s part of Generation
Vampire because he recently shared that he thinks he is part of
the “first generation to live forever.”
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: November 3, 2022, 5:10 pm
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If Western civilization had never existed, AI would never have
existed:
HTML https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3pezm/scientists-increasingly-cant-explain-how-ai-works
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> The people who develop AI are increasingly having problems
explaining how it works and determining why it has the outputs
it has.
> ...
> These types of AI systems notoriously have issues because the
data they are trained on are often inherently biased, mimicking
the racial and gender biases that exist within our society. The
haphazard deployment of them leads to situations where, to use
just one example, Black people are disproportionately
misidentified by facial recognition technology. It becomes
difficult to fix these systems in part because their developers
often cannot fully explain how they work, which makes
accountability difficult.
> ...
> “Additionally, if we grow accustomed to accepting AI’s answers
without an explanation, essentially treating it as an Oracle
system, we would not be able to tell if it begins providing
wrong or manipulative answers.”
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So how is AI developed?
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> Black box models can be extremely powerful, which is how many
scientists and companies justify sacrificing explainability for
accuracy. AI systems have been used for autonomous cars,
customer service chatbots, and diagnosing disease, and have the
power to perform some tasks better than humans can. For example,
a machine that is capable of remembering one trillion items,
such as digits, letters, and words, versus humans, who on
average remember seven in their short-term memory would be able
to process and compute information at a much faster and improved
rate than humans. Among the different deep learning models
include generative adversarial networks (GANs), which are most
often used to train generative AI models, such as text-to-image
generator MidJourney AI. GANs essentially pit AI models against
each other to do a specific task; the "winner" of each
interaction is then pitted against another model, allowing the
model to iterate itself until it becomes very good at doing that
task. The issue is that this creates models that their
developers simply can't explain.
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Imitate natural selection! What could possibly go wrong?
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> When we put our trust in a system simply because it gives us
answers that fit what we are looking for, we fail to ask key
questions: Are these responses reliable, or do they just tell us
what we want to hear? Whom do the results ultimately benefit?
And who is responsible if it causes harm?
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They tell you what you want to hear. Western civilization.
Western civilization.
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> “The risks are that the system may be making decisions using
values we disagree with, such as biased (e.g. racist or sexist)
decisions. Another risk is that the system may be making a very
bad decision, but we cannot intervene because we do not
understand its reasoning,”
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So why develop AI at all?
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> AI systems are already deeply entrenched with bias and are
constantly reproducing such bias in their output without
developers understanding how. In a groundbreaking 2018 study
called “Gender Shades,” researchers Joy Buolamwini and Timnit
Gebru found that popular facial recognition systems most
accurately detected males with lighter skin and had the highest
errors detecting females with darker skin. Facial recognition
systems, which are skewed against people of color and have been
used for everything from housing to policing, deepen
pre-existing racial biases by determining who is more likely to
get a house or be identified as a criminal, for example.
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AI is a Western invention! What else would we expect?
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> At the same time, some experts argue that simply shifting to
open and interpretable AI models—while allowing greater
visibility of these processes—would result in systems that are
less effective.
>
> “There are many tasks right now where black box approaches are
far and away better than interpretable models,” Clune said. “The
gap can be large enough that black box models are the only
option, assuming that an application is not feasible unless the
capabilities of the model are good enough. Even in cases where
the interpretable models are more competitive, there is usually
a tradeoff between capability and interpretability. People are
working on closing that gap, but I suspect it will remain for
the foreseeable future, and potentially will always exist.”
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I agree. Which is why AI should never have begun to exist in the
first place.
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> The issue with explainability has to do with the fact that
because AI systems have become so complex, blanket explanations
only increase the power differential between AI systems and
their creators, and AI developers and their users.
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It's a Western feature.
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> “Maybe the answer is to abandon the illusion of explanation,
and instead focus on more rigorously testing the reliability,
biases, and performance of models, as we try to do with humans,”
Clune said.
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Maybe the answer is to end Western civilization altogether?
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> if you build explainable AI with a one-size-fits-all design
process, “you end up with something where it has explanations
that only make sense to one group of people who are involved in
the system in practice,”
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Guess which group that is?
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> “If we orient knowledge and AI around big data, then we're
always going to bias towards those who have the resources to
spin up a thousand servers, or those who have the resources to,
you know, get a billion images and train them,”
> ...
> “The question first is, what are the conditions under which AI
is developed? Who gets to decide when it's deployed? And with
what reasoning? Because if we can't answer that, then all good
intentions in the world around how do we live with that [AI] are
all screwed,” they added. “If we're not participating in those
conversations, then it's a losing game. All you can do is have
something that works for people with power, and silences the
people who don't.”
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Homework: under which civilization did those with power today
acquire the power they currently have?
#Post#: 16307--------------------------------------------------
Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
DIR By: rp
Date: November 6, 2022, 5:02 pm
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Jews Lex Fridman and Ray Kurzweil discuss singularity and
immortality:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykY69lSpDdo
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
DIR By: bondburger
Date: November 8, 2022, 6:28 am
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HTML https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/19/ford-drivers-could-get-alerts-from-nearby-pedestrians-phones/?guccounter=1
Future cyclists and pedestrians will be expected to carry
smart-phones everywhere to avoid being ran over.
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: November 8, 2022, 4:58 pm
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No one got run over back when no one used cars. Therefore, if
the aim is to return to this condition, the correct solution is
to end the use of cars. Of course Westerners do not think like
this. The Western solution is always to add another machine to
solve the problems caused by an existing machine.
Furthermore, the overwhelming majority of victims of being run
over are non-humans:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/msg38/#msg38
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> Very large numbers of mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians and
invertebrates are killed on the world's roads every day.[9] The
number of animals killed in the United States has been estimated
at a million per day.[10][11]
> About 350,000 to 27 million birds are estimated to be killed
on European roads each year.[12]
> ...
> Merritt Clifton (editor of Animal People Newspaper) estimated
that the following animals are being killed by motor vehicles in
the United States annually: 41 million squirrels, 26 million
cats, 22 million rats, 19 million opossums, 15 million raccoons,
6 million dogs, and 350,000 deer.[15]
> ...
> In 2011, Dutch biologist Arnold van Vliet coordinated a
similar study of insect deaths on car license plates. He found
two insects killed on the license-plate area for every 10
kilometres (6.2 mi) driven. This implies about 1.6 trillion
insect deaths by cars per year in the Netherlands, and about
32.5 trillion deaths in the United States if the figures are
extrapolated there.[19]
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Are all of them going to be given smartphones too? Of course
not. Whereas ending use of cars helps all victims, the Western
solution cares about helping only ingroup victims. Which is
exactly what we would expect.
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
DIR By: rp
Date: November 8, 2022, 11:40 pm
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Everyday when driving I see countless animals that have been
killed on the road.
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