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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: December 29, 2021, 9:11 pm
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Whether this specific post is fake or not, the concerns it
raises are very real.
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> Last summer, I helped billionaires achieve biological
immortality
>
> I'm a 3rd year PhD student and last summer I interned at a
startup (Calico) owned by Alphabet, Google's parent company.
>
> The company's mission is to solve aging. My work centered
around using cutting edge artificial intelligence (in
collaboration DeepMind, another Alphabet company) to control
gene regulation and cellular regeneration.
>
> Most people don't realize how close we actually are to
achieving biological immortality. And billionaires are going big
into this. Peter Thiel with Unity Biotechnology, Bezos with
Altos Labs and many more that aren't publicly known. The
technology will also undoubtedly play a big role in space
exploration.
>
> If you ever wondered why someone would need so much wealth
when you can't spend it in one lifetime, there it is. They plan
on spending it in multiple lifetimes.
>
> Meanwhile, the rest of us will live a small miserable life
laboring away.
>
> Anti-aging technology shouldn't be reserved for the elite few.
We need to seize and make the technology/ research accessible to
the public before its too late. Even if they don't live forever
forever, extending their lifespans to a few centuries is still
scary.
>
> Edit: I'm tired of people defending billionaires and thinking
the tech will tickle down to the average person. My whole point
in making this post was to raise awareness about why we need to
seize the means of research.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/rlkifx/last_summer_i_helped_billionaires_achieve/
Are you ready to become vampire hunters in a post-apocalyptic
wasteland? (As well as hunters of those who work for the
vampires).
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> An international team led by researchers from the University
of Konstanz and Max Planck Institute of Animal Behavior in
Germany have employed virtual reality to decode the algorithm
that animals use when deciding where to go among many options.
The study reveals that animals cope with environmental
complexity by reducing the world into a series of sequential
two-choice (binary) decisions — a strategy that results in
highly effective decision-making no matter how many options
there are. The study offers the first evidence yet of a common
algorithm that governs decision-making across species and
suggests that fundamental geometric principles can explain how,
and why, animals move the way they do.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.mpg.de/17989792/1208-ornr-one-algorithm-to-rule-decision-making-987453-x
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> The most interesting part is that they somehow put fruit flies
in a virtual reality?
>
> [quote]Single-animal immersive VR has been a thing for a few
years now. With folks in that lab group definitely pushing the
forefront. For example, you can pretty feasibly track a single
fish in a bowl and project images in a distorted way that would
look real to that fish (think of those big sidewalk chalk murals
that rely on perspective, but tracked to your position). They're
even working on scaling this sort of stuff up to barn-sized
flight hangars for birds and such.
>
> [quote]so these animals are literally stuck in the matrix?
--- End Quote ---
[/quote][/quote]
HTML https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/rldlwg/study_reveals_that_animals_cope_with/hph702l/
...Placing animals in the Matrix so scientists can learn how to
design Terminator brains.
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: January 11, 2022, 11:45 am
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This is a long article, but it is of the utmost importance to
read to understand just how close the Demiurge is to winning.
The good news: the scientists interviewed in the article still
think they are at least a generation away from being ready to
send lifeforms to other solar systems using photonic propulsion.
The bad news: scientists are only a generation away from doing
damage which we may never be able to reverse.
The good news: the scientists interviewed claim that the first
experiments will not involve colonizing other planets, because
they believe the micro-organisms they send will burn up in the
atmosphere of other planets.
The bad news: they think that is "ethical" and permissable to
proceed.
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> Sending tardigrades to the stars
>
> No longer solely in the realm of science fiction, the
possibility of interstellar travel has appeared, tantalizingly,
on the horizon. Although we may not see it in our lifetimes—at
least not some real version of the fictional warp-speeding,
hyperdriving, space-folding sort—we are having early
conversations of how life could escape the tether of our solar
system, using technology that is within reach.
>
> For UC Santa Barbara professors Philip Lubin and Joel Rothman,
it's a great time to be alive. Born of a generation that saw
breathtaking advances in space exploration, they carry the
unbridled optimism and creative spark of the early Space Age,
when humans first found they could leave the Earth.
>
> "The Apollo moon voyages were among the most momentous events
in my life and contemplating them still blows my mind," said
Rothman, a distinguished professor in the Department of
Molecular, Cellular and Developmental Biology, and a
self-admitted "space geek."
>
> A mere 50 years have passed since that pivotal era, but
humanity's knowledge of space and the technology to explore it
have improved immensely, enough for Rothman to join experimental
cosmologist Lubin in considering what it would take for living
beings to embark on a journey across the vast distance
separating us from our nearest neighbor in the galaxy. The
result of their collaboration was published in the journal Acta
Astronautica.
>
> "I think it's our destiny to keep exploring," Rothman said.
"Look at the history of the human species. We explore at smaller
and smaller levels down to subatomic levels and we also explore
at increasingly larger scales. Such drive toward ceaseless
exploration lies at the core of who we are as a species."
> [...]
> New propulsion technologies are required—and this is where the
UCSB directed energy research program of using light as the
"propellant" comes in.
>
> "This has never been done before, to push macroscopic objects
at speeds approaching the speed of light," said Lubin, a
professor in the Department of Physics. Mass is such a huge
barrier, in fact, that it rules out any human missions for the
foreseeable future.
>
> As a result, his team turned to robots and photonics. Small
probes with onboard instrumentation that sense, collect and
transmit data back to Earth will be propelled up to 20-30% of
the speed of light by light itself using a laser array stationed
on Earth, or possibly the moon. "We don't leave home with it,"
as Lubin explained, meaning the primary propulsion system stays
"at home" while spacecraft are "shot out" at relativistic
speeds. The main propulsion laser is turned on for a short
period of time and then the next probe is readied to be
launched.
> [...]
> The core technology can also be used in a modified mode to
propel much larger spacecraft within our solar system at slower
speeds, potentially enabling human missions to Mars in as little
as one month, stopping included. This is another way of
spreading life, but in our solar system.
>
> At these relativistic speeds—roughly 100 million miles per
hour—the wafercraft would reach the next solar system, Proxima
Centauri, in roughly 20 years. Getting to that level of
technology will require continuous innovation and improvement of
both the space wafer, as well the photonics, where Lubin sees
"exponential growth" in the field. The basic project to develop
a roadmap to achieve relativistic flight via directed energy
propulsion is supported by NASA and private foundations such as
the Starlight program and by the Breakthrough Initiatives as the
Starshot program.
>
> "When I learned that the mass of these craft could reach gram
levels or larger, it became clear that they could accomodate
living animals," said Rothman, who realized that the creatures
he'd been studying for decades, called C. elegans, could be the
first Earthlings to travel between the stars.
> [...]
> Thousands of these tiny creatures could be placed on a wafer,
put in suspended animation, and flown in that state until
reaching the desired destination. They could then be wakened in
their tiny StarChip and precisely monitored for any detectable
effects of interstellar travel on their biology, with the
observations relayed to Earth by photonic communication.
>
> "We can ask how well they remember trained behavior when
they're flying away from their eathly origin at near the speed
of light, and examine their metabolism, physiology, neurological
function, reproduction and aging," Rothman added. "Most
experiments that can be conducted on these animals in a lab can
be performed onboard the StarChips as they whiz through the
cosmos."
> [...]
> Of course, being able to send humans to interstellar space is
great for movies, but in reality is still a far away dream. By
the time we get to that point we may have created more suitable
life forms or hybrid human-machines that are more resilient.
>
> "This is a generational program," Lubin said. Scientists of
coming generations ideally will contribute to our knowledge of
interstellar space and its challenges, and enhance the design of
the craft as technology improves. With the primary propulsion
system being light, the underlying technology is on an
exponential growth curve, much like electronics with a "Moore's
Law" like expanding capability.
>
> Planetary protection and extraterrestrial propagation
>
> We're bound to our solar system for the forseeable future;
humans are fragile and delicate away from our home planet. But
that hasn't stopped Lubin, Rothman, their research teams and
their diverse collaborators, which include a radiation
specialist and a science-trained theologian, to contemplate both
the physiological and ethical aspects of sending life to
space—and perhaps even propagating life in space.
>
> "There are the ethics," Lubin explained, "of planetary
protection," in which serious thought is given to the
possibility of contamination, either from our planet to others
or vice versa. "I think if you started talking about directed
propagation of life, which is sometimes called panspermia—this
idea that life came from elsewhere and ended up on the earth by
comets and other debris, or even intentionally from another
civilization—the idea that we would purposefully send out life
does bring up big questions."
>
> So far, the authors contend, there is no risk of forward
contamination, as the probes nearing any other planet would burn
up in their atmosphere or be obliterated in the collision with
the surface. Because the wafercraft are on a one-way trip,
there's no risk that any extraterrestrial microbes will return
to Earth.
> [...]
> "Some people have mused and published on ideas such as 'is the
universe a lab experiment from some advanced civilization,'"
Lubin said. "So people are certainly willing to think about
advanced civilizations. Questions are good but answers are
better. Right now we simply ponder these questions without the
answers yet."
>
> Another issue currently being contemplated in the wider space
exploration community: What are the ethics of sending humans to
Mars and other distant places knowing they may never come home?
What about sending out small micro-organisms or human DNA? These
existential inquiries are as old as the first human migrations
and seafaring voyages, the answers to which will likely come the
moment we're ready to take these journeys.
>
> "I think we shouldn't, and won't, suppress the exploratory
yearning that is intrinsic to our nature," Rothman said.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://phys.org/news/2022-01-tardigrades-stars.html
This must be stopped at all costs. Even a Terminator trapped on
Earth can be destroyed, but once lifeforms get transported to
other solar systems and galaxies, the only thing we can do is
pray they died or that the solar system does not have the
correct conditions for those organisms to evolve into more
complex lifeforms.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_rocket
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_propulsion
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beam-powered_propulsion
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 11, 2022, 8:38 pm
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--- Quote ---
> "I think we shouldn't, and won't, suppress the exploratory
yearning that is intrinsic to our nature," Rothman said.
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Who is "our"? The first step is to clarify that Rothman (Jew?)
does not speak for anyone other than Westerners. But too many
non-Westerners, despite themselves not having the exploratory
yearning, have been cowed by their Western education into
believing that the exploratory yearning is an admirable thing to
have, and thus are unwilling to admit in public that they
themselves do not have it! This then allows Rothman to talk as
though everyone has it and hence that he is speaking for
everyone!
We must let people know that not having the exploratory yearning
is something that we should be proud of, and that Westerners are
inferior precisely because they have the strongest exploratory
yearning of all people in history.
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: February 4, 2022, 8:12 pm
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HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns__YpRneBA
Note the bloodlines of the machinists. If not for these
bloodlines, we would never have had this problem. If we want to
end this problem, we must eliminate these bloodlines.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhND7Mvp3f4
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: February 10, 2022, 8:01 pm
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****:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fYiNVRmOA4
More energy means more Western civilization.
Again, note the bloodlines of the machinists without whom none
of this would have been happening. These are the bloodlines that
must be eliminated ASAP.
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: February 14, 2022, 6:51 am
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From December 2019:
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> Chinese scientist who produced genetically altered babies
sentenced to 3 years in jail
>
> He Jiankui, the Chinese researcher who stunned the world last
year by announcing he had helped produce genetically edited
babies, has been found guilty of conducting "illegal medical
practices" and sentenced to 3 years in prison.
>
> A court in Shenzhen found that He and two collaborators forged
ethical review documents and misled doctors into unknowingly
implanting gene-edited embryos into two women, according to
Xinhua, China's state-run press agency.
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HTML https://www.science.org/content/article/chinese-scientist-who-produced-genetically-altered-babies-sentenced-3-years-jail
He should have been executed. Such a short sentence is just
going to encourage others to try it--especially in Western
nations who lack the interest in giving prison sentences to even
the most corrupt criminals. China has even executed billionaires
before, so why not this guy?
Genetic improvement is not inherently a bad thing, but having
rogue scientists go ahead with personal experiments like this
because they think the establishment is holding back
"progress"--that is a terrible thing.
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: February 19, 2022, 8:17 pm
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How Westerners think:
HTML https://www.indy100.com/science-tech/moon-privatise-adam-smith-institute
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> Privatising the Moon is the next bright idea to help wipe out
poverty on Earth, economists say.
>
> According to a strange report by neoliberal think tank the
Adam Smith Institute, the satellite should be divided into
parcels of land and assigned to different countries to rent out
to businesses, boosting the economy.
>
> The economists also reckon this would boost space tourism,
exploration and discovery.
> ...
> "Such a system would incentivise responsible stewardship of
space as well as opportunities for new scientific discovery and
democratised space exploration.’’
--- End Quote ---
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: March 4, 2022, 10:55 pm
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--- Quote ---
> Jeff Bezos is looking to defy death – this is what we know
about the science of ageing
>
> Jeff Bezos is on a mission to conquer ageing. He has just
recruited Hal Barron from GlaxoSmithKline to help lead Altos
Labs, the ambitious new anti-ageing company with billions of
investment. So what does science really say about this? Could we
beat ageing?
> [...]
> Of course, nobody knows whether Bezos’s company can succeed in
helping extend the human lifespan. But what is clear is that by
studying ageing, exciting new discoveries are bound to emerge.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://theconversation.com/jeff-bezos-is-looking-to-defy-death-this-is-what-we-know-about-the-science-of-ageing-175379
Anti-longevity commentary:
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> The last thing we need are people like bezos and the ultra
wealthy to live even longer...
>
> [quote]We need to go the ancient China route and convince them
ingesting jade and mercury will make them immortal.
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> Exactly.
>
> If there's ONE justice in this world... is that we all die.
>
> We dont want the 0.1% to live forever. No no no.
>
> Bezos. When your time comes. You die. Like everyone else.
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[/quote]
HTML https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/t48owh/jeff_bezos_is_looking_to_defy_death_this_is_what/hyx94k1/
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> His wealth, if left to compound for 300 years, would be a 9
with 23 zeroes behind it.
>
> $900,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
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HTML https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/t48owh/jeff_bezos_is_looking_to_defy_death_this_is_what/hyx9ihz/
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> Whats worse than Jeff Bezos? An immortal Jeff Bezos.
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HTML https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/t48owh/jeff_bezos_is_looking_to_defy_death_this_is_what/hyxj3ax/
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> Holy... Almost everyone out here are so against the reversing
aging. All of you really want to be old, crippled, dimed,
congitive declined? Like you really want to suffer and die? Just
because someone is wealthy and you're not?
>
> For me everyone should benefit from it and possible be using
it. The aging and death are both worth suffering the people can
witness. Ultimetly we should work towards to stop those.
>
> [quote]Nah 100 years and I'll be sick of this shit.
--- End Quote ---
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> We can't even some fucking healthcare now. Do you really think
these rich fucks are gonna share any breakthroughs with the
masses or people that don't have money?
--- End Quote ---
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> No I want to die when I get to that point. Not linger in it. I
don’t see death as the boogie man like most people do though.
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> Reading these replies genuinely disgusted the fuck out of me.
People are so overrun with envy in their pathetic, weak lives
that they would doom themselves & all of humanity if it meant
they could feel a sense of moral high-ground.
>
> [quote]Doom all of humanity? It's just death and aging,
literally the most natural aspect of life. Just because you're
more terrified of it than we are doesn't mean that we are fucked
in the head. Lol.
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[/quote]
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> Lmao worship power more
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[/quote]
Progressive commentary:
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> What's interesting is that if natural death at ~80-100 stops
being a thing, it will completely upheave modern moral and
social systems, just as the industrial revolution did.
Especially if everyone gets to share in this, not just the rich.
Inevitable IMO. Every rich people technology diffuses downwards
over time, until even poor people have it. This applies to
everything from commercial air travel to medicines.
>
> So many institutions have natural and inevitable death at this
age as a basic assumption. Political, social and economic
institutions all depend on this assumption.
>
> Imagine if people started living til 400-800 instead of around
80-100.
>
> Childbearing will be transformed. It currently takes 25% of
lifespan to reach adulthood. Imagine if only 3% of your lifespan
was childhood. Childhood will become a tiny part of life. The
economy and social structure will be transformed - few teachers
for kids, many for adult learning. The nuclear family structure
will be demolished, as minors no longer occupy a central
position in the family structure.
>
> Copyright lasts up to xx years after the author's death. This
does not work if authors expect to live for 800 years.
>
> Life imprisonment become utterly impracticable. Morality
aside, the government cannot even financially afford to keep
large numbers of people in prison for 500 years each.
>
> The world of uneducated vs educated labour will be massively
shaken. It will be worthwhile to spend 4 years studying to get
even as little as a 5% increase in lifetime salary.
>
> People will have the ability to have multiple fully-skilled,
fully-developed careers throughout life. You could attain
extremely high proficiency in many, many fields in a 500-year
working lifespan.
>
> Views towards environmental sustainability will be massively
shifted. The average voting adult has only 30 more years to
live. If it were instead 300 more years to live, people would be
a lot less nonchalant about climate change and environmental
desteuction.
>
> Everything we currently know about society will be transformed
into a new world.
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HTML https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/t48owh/jeff_bezos_is_looking_to_defy_death_this_is_what/hyxhwa0/
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> I suggest y'all stop speculating and have a look at the SENS
Foundation.
>
> Those people have been doing the grunt work on aging for
decades now.
>
> Aubrey de Grey is quite optimistic about it.
>
> Pitch in. Longer lives are achievable, and better.
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HTML https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/t48owh/jeff_bezos_is_looking_to_defy_death_this_is_what/hyx6hd2/
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 4, 2022, 11:37 pm
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--- Quote ---
> For me everyone should benefit from it and possible be using
it.
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This guy is the communist that I was talking about here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/ancient-world/ancient-candidates-for-socialism/msg11706/#msg11706
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> they will spend their energy trying to increase luxury as much
as possible while rigorously avoiding uneven distribution of
luxury.
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Continuing:
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> It's just death and aging, literally the most natural aspect
of life. Just because you're more terrified of it than we are
doesn't mean that we are **** in the head. Lol.
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I worry that this guy would probably also say that birth is
another natural aspect of life, as if that makes reproduction
acceptable. Actually, terror of death and aging should be
validated, but as one more reason to not reproduce.
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> Imagine if only 3% of your lifespan was childhood. Childhood
will become a tiny part of life.
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HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/msg9843/#msg9843
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> To us, immortality means endlessly moving further away from
childhood. The greater the quantity of new experiences we keep
accumulating (which would be guaranteed under immortality within
time), proportionately the more remote and less important our
childhood will inevitably become to our boundlessly adulterating
consciousness. Temporal immortality is guaranteed obliteration
of Original Nobility via sheer exhaustion.
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Re: If Western civilization does not die soon.....
DIR By: rp
Date: March 20, 2022, 8:45 pm
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
>
> Not only will this world become ever more complicated, but
virtual worlds will ever more closely resemble this world:
>
>
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gry36cT3TdI
>
> Eventually there will truly be no escape.
>
--- End Quote ---
If sentient machines/virtual reality is fully realized, then
eliminating the bloodlines will be fruitless. There is no other
option than an apocalyptic scenario where everything is
destroyed, but even then, there is the possibility of
abiogenesis. What is the solution in this case?
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