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Re: Dress decolonization
DIR By: guest63
Date: October 20, 2022, 1:52 am
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--- Quote from: 90sRetroFan link ---
>
> How sartorially colonized was pre-1979 Iran?
>
>
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fashion_in_Iran
>
> [quote]Attempts at changing dress norms (and perspectives
toward it) occurred in mid-1930s when pro-Western ruler Reza
Shah issued a decree banning all veils.[9][10][11][12][13] Many
types of male traditional clothing were also banned.[14][15][16]
> ...
> A far larger escalation of violence occurred in the summer of
1935 when Reza Shah ordered all men to wear European-style
bowler hat, which was Western par excellence. This provoked
massive non-violent demonstrations in July in the city of
Mashhad.[19][10][12][14][15][16][20]
> ...
> Later, official measures relaxed slightly under next ruler and
wearing of the headscarf or chador was no longer an offence, but
for his regime it became a significant hindrance to climbing the
social ladder as it was considered a badge of backwardness and
an indicator of being a member of the lower class.[17]
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HTML https://smallimg.pngkey.com/png/small/129-1297667_clip-free-stock-collection-of-free-failing-clipart.png
In Iran, headscarfs are leftist:
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> A few years prior to the Iranian revolution, a tendency
towards questioning the relevance of Eurocentric gender roles as
the model for Iranian society gained much ground among
university students, and this sentiment was manifested in street
demonstrations where many women from the non-veiled middle
classes put on the veil[9][17][10][22][23] and symbolically
rejected the gender ideology of Pahlavi regime and its
aggressive deculturalization.[9][17][10][11][23] Wearing of
headscarf and chador was one of main symbols of the 1979
revolution,[10][11][24][23] Wearing headscarves and chadors was
used as a significant populist tool and Iranian veiled women
played an important rule in the revolution's
victory.[17][11][13]
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Present-day False Leftists outside of Iran seem to have no
awareness of this historical context. If you support the
anti-headscarf protestors in Iran, you are supporting
Eurocentrism!
And one more thing about Reza Eurocentrist Pahlavi:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reza_Shah
--- Quote ---
> Reza Shah was the first Iranian Monarch in 1400 years who paid
respect to the Jews by praying in the synagogue when visiting
the Jewish community of Isfahan; an act that boosted the
self-esteem of the Iranian Jews and made Reza Shah their second
most respected Iranian leader after Cyrus the Great.
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See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/iran/msg15794/#msg15794
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/iran/msg15960/#msg15960
[/quote]
Not surprised at Reza Shah, but he was better than his son and
even tried to align with NS Germany.
Didn't you used to support Reza Shah over his son? I remember in
the "National Socialism and Islam" article on Aryanism, the Shah
of Iran was deposed by the UK and the USSR for aligning with NS
Germany.
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> Iran
>
> The Shah of Iran was pro-Axis during WWII. (“The sound of
German officers’ footsteps was heard on the shores of the Nile.
Swastika flags were flying from the outskirts of Moscow to the
peaks of the Caucasus Mountains. Iranian patriots eagerly
awaited the arrival of their old allies.”)
> Britain and the USSR forced the Shah to abdicate in favour of
his son.
--- End Quote ---
#Post#: 16119--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dress decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 20, 2022, 2:09 am
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"that choice is ultimately a non-violent one"
If I choose to eat at a restaurant with an explicitly stated
dress code, my duty to follow the dress code is in exchange for
the expectation of seeing everyone else in the restaurant also
follow the dress code (thereby collectively generating a
particular visual look). This is non-violent.
Now, if someone shows up not following the dress code, while
they are not preventing me from following the dress code myself,
they are depriving me of seeing the visual look generated by
everyone in the restaurant following the dress code, which is
what I was expecting to get in exchange for following the dress
code myself. This is violent.
Compare with speeding drivers. They may claim they are not
violent because they are not forcing other drivers to speed. Yet
they are depriving other drivers of road conditions where
everyone drives below the speed limit, which is what the other
drivers were expecting to get in exchange for driving below the
speed limit themselves. Thus those who drive over the speed
limit are indeed violent.
Someone who dislikes a given dress code/speed limit should
choose a different restaurant/road:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/iran/msg15768/#msg15768
This is conducive to folkish sorting. Absence of different rules
in different locations, on the other hand, undermines folkish
sorting.
(Homework: Are usurers violent?)
"he was better than his son"
I will be posting about his son shortly.
#Post#: 16122--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dress decolonization
DIR By: guest63
Date: October 20, 2022, 3:46 am
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"If I choose to eat at a restaurant with an explicitly stated
dress code, my duty to follow the dress code is in exchange for
the expectation of seeing everyone else in the restaurant also
follow the dress code (thereby collectively generating a
particular visual look). This is non-violent.
Now, if someone shows up not following the dress code, while
they are not preventing me from following the dress code myself,
they are depriving me of seeing the visual look generated by
everyone in the restaurant following the dress code, which is
what I was expecting to get in exchange for following the dress
code myself. This is violent.
Compare with speeding drivers. They may claim they are not
violent because they are not forcing other drivers to speed. Yet
they are depriving other drivers of road conditions where
everyone drives below the speed limit, which is what the other
drivers were expecting to get in exchange for driving below the
speed limit themselves. Thus those who drive over the speed
limit are indeed violent.
Someone who dislikes a given dress code/speed limit should
choose a different restaurant/road:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/news/iran/msg15768/#msg15768
This is conducive to folkish sorting. Absence of different rules
in different locations, on the other hand, undermines folkish
sorting."
Exactly! It's that easy!
I would love to see a revival of Authentic Zoroastrianism in a
place like Australia or New Zealand.
(Homework: Are usurers violent?)
"I will be posting about his son shortly."
To be fair, Khomeini wasn't too much better (he protected Jews
and was funded by Israel!), but he did stand up to the USA and
the USSR. Alhamdulillah, Khamenei is better than Khomeini
though, especially with the loss of Saddam Hussein.
Saddam Hussein stood up to Israel more, and ultimately was
brutally crushed.
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Re: Dress decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 20, 2022, 4:31 am
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"Khomeini wasn't too much better"
Before:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Israel_relations#Israeli_independence_to_Iranian_revolution_(1947%E2%80%931979)
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> After the establishment of the State of Israel in May 1948,
Israel and Iran maintained close ties. Iran was the second
Muslim-majority country to recognize Israel[15] as a sovereign
state after Turkey.[16][17] Israel viewed Iran as a natural ally
as a non-Arab power on the edge of the Arab world, in accordance
with David Ben Gurion's concept of an alliance of the periphery.
--- End Quote ---
After:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Israel_relations#Under_Khomeini_(1979%E2%80%931989)
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> Following the Iranian Revolution and the fall of the Pahlavi
dynasty in 1979, Iran adopted a sharp anti-Israel stance. Iran
cut off all official relations with Israel;[29] official
statements, state institutes, and events. Iran ceased to accept
Israeli passports, and the holders of Iranian passports were
banned from travelling to "the occupied Palestine"’.[30] The
Israeli Embassy in Tehran was closed and handed over to the
PLO.[31] Ayatollah Khomeini declared Israel an "enemy of Islam"
and the "Little Satan".[32]
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Is this not a significant improvement?
More about Khomeini:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhollah_Khomeini
--- Quote ---
> Third world solidarity
>
> In contrast to his alienation from Iranian intellectuals, and
"in an utter departure from all other Islamist movements",
Khomeini embraced international revolution and Third World
solidarity, giving it "precedence over Muslim fraternity". From
the time Khomeini's supporters gained control of the media until
his death, the Iranian media "devoted extensive coverage to
non-Muslim revolutionary movements (from the Sandinistas to the
African National Congress and the Irish Republican Army) and
downplayed the role of the Islamic movements considered
conservative, such as the Afghan mujahidin."[276] Khomeini's
supporters and pro-government media in Iran also argue that he
was a fighter against racism,[277] as Khomeini was a staunch
critic of the Apartheid regime in South Africa.[278] After the
1979 Iranian Revolution, anti-Apartheid activist and African
National Congress president Oliver Tambo sent a letter to
congratulate Khomeini for the success of the revolution.[279]
Former South African President Nelson Mandela stated several
times that Khomeini served as an inspiration for the
anti-apartheid movement.[280][281] During the 1979 Iran hostage
crisis, Khomeini ordered the release of all female and
African-American staff working there.[282]
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"he did stand up to the USA and the USSR."
If anything, Khomeini's mistake was to be unnecessarily hostile
to the USA, thus pushing it closer to Israel. Khomeini made the
same mistake with the USA back then as Biden is making with
China now (pushing it closer to Russia).
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Re: Iran
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: October 26, 2022, 5:42 pm
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The ultimate motivation of the anti-regime protests is
Eurocentrism:
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>
HTML https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/976/cpsprodpb/180A0/production/_105646489_af25d716-f4b9-41d5-b2a3-7126c8298057.jpg.webp
>
> Wedding dress shopping in Tehran in 1986: "The wedding dresses
on display are all western
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wedding_dress#Western_culture
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> The first documented instance of a princess who wore a white
wedding dress for a royal wedding ceremony is that of Philippa
of England, who wore a tunic with a cloak in white silk bordered
with squirrel and ermine in 1406, when she married Eric of
Pomerania.[1][2]
> ...
> White became a popular option in 1840, after the marriage of
Queen Victoria to Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, when Victoria
wore a white gown trimmed with Honiton lace. Illustrations of
the wedding were widely published, and many brides opted for
white in accordance with the Queen's choice.[6]
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What was happening in Iran during the Victorian era?
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93United_Kingdom_relations
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> In fact, Iran's current southern and eastern boundaries were
determined by none other than the British during the
Anglo-Persian War (1856 to 1857). After repelling Nasereddin
Shah's attack in Herat in 1857, the British government assigned
Frederic John Goldsmid of the Indo-European Telegraph Department
to determine the borders between Persia and India during the
1860s.[5]
>
> In 1872, the Shah signed an agreement with Baron Julius de
Reuter, which George Nathaniel Curzon called "The most complete
and extraordinary surrender of the entire industrial resources
of a kingdom into foreign hands that has ever been dreamed
of".[6]
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And yes:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederic_John_Goldsmid
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> Categories:
> ...
> British people of Dutch-Jewish descent
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Reuter
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> Reuter was born as Israel Beer Josaphat in Kassel, Electorate
of Hesse (now part of the Federal Republic of Germany).[4] His
father, Samuel Levi Josaphat, was a rabbi.
> ...
> In November 1891, Queen Victoria granted him (and his
subsequent male-line successors) the right to use that German
title (listed as Baron von Reuter) in Britain.[1][10]
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#Post#: 16209--------------------------------------------------
Re: Dress decolonization
DIR By: Soulbadger
Date: October 28, 2022, 12:34 pm
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--- Quote ---
> Reuter was born as Israel Beer Josaphat in Kassel, Electorate
of Hesse (now part of the Federal Republic of Germany).[4] His
father, Samuel Levi Josaphat, was a rabbi.
> ...
> In November 1891, Queen Victoria granted him (and his
subsequent male-line successors) the right to use that German
title (listed as Baron von Reuter) in Britain.[1][10]
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Example of Jews tainting a great last name: (Minus the 'rider'
part of course, lol!)
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> (German) One who cleared land for tilling.
> — Dictionary of American Family Names (1956) by Elsdon Coles
Smith
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> Rutter or Roter, is the name of an ancient and influential
family of Kingsley, where they owned considerable estates from
the 13th to the 17th century (O.). The name of Rutter is now
best represented amongst the farmers around Tarporley, which is
only some seven or eight miles from Kingsley, so that we may
repeat the remark made by Ormerod about 70 years ago "that the
descendants are still living (as yeomen) and day labourers
within the precincts of the feudal power of their ancestors."
The name is also established in the counties of Northumberland,
Durham, and Lincoln, and in the North and East Ridings of
Yorkshire. As Rotar, Rotur, and Ruter, often preceded by "Le,"
it occurred in Shropshire, Oxfordshire, Hertfordshire, and in
other counties in the 13th century (H. R.). Rutter is the old
German word for a soldier (L.).
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://forebears.io/surnames/reuter#meaning
Back to the Iran topic:
Iran says it won’t remain ‘indifferent’ if Russian use of its
drones is proven
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> As West says evidence mounting of Moscow-Tehran military
alliance, Iran’s FM claims he’s ‘against arming both Russia and
Ukraine’
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> “I stressed to Mr. Borrell that if… it becomes clear to us
that Russia has used Iranian drones in the war against Ukraine,
we will definitely not be indifferent about this issue.”
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Entire article:
HTML https://www.timesofisrael.com/iran-says-it-wont-remain-indifferent-if-russian-use-of-its-drones-is-proven/?utm_campaign=most_popular&utm_source=website&utm_medium=article_end
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Re: Dress decolonization
DIR By: Soulbadger
Date: October 28, 2022, 12:35 pm
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Going to repost that last part in the Iran thread, didn't
realize we were in a different thread here at first...
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Re: Dress decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: November 2, 2022, 7:35 pm
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HTML https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/chemical-hair-straighteners-study-black-women-rcna54126
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> Racism kills, and a new study on the potentially harmful
effects of chemical hair straighteners has shown the paradox
many nonwhite people face when forced to conform to white beauty
standards.
>
> Late last week, the National Institutes of Health released
findings from a study that suggested women who use chemical hair
straighteners could have a higher risk of developing uterine
cancer than those who do not use them.
>
> As NBC News reported:
>
> Women using chemical hair-straightening products are at a
higher risk of uterine cancer than women who reported not using
them, a new study by the National Institutes of Health found.
Researchers noted that Black women may have a higher risk
because they are more likely to use such products more
frequently. A group of researchers with the NIH’s National
Institute of Environmental Health Sciences looked at the hair
care habits of more than 33,000 women and found that those who
used chemical hair straightening products at least four times a
year were more than twice as likely to develop uterine cancer.
>
> Studies like this are precisely why activists and lawmakers
have been demanding full passage of the Crown Act, a federal
bill that would ban discrimination based on hair style and
texture. The House passed the bill in March, but the Senate
hasn't yet voted on it.
>
> Conservatives like Colorado Rep. Lauren Boebert, who mocked
the Crown Act as the “bad hair bill,” have, ironically, made the
argument for its necessity with their insulting actions.
>
> Rest assured: Many Black people know not to take style advice
from oppressive white folks like Boebert. But because people
like her wield outsize influence in American society, many Black
folks are forced to conform to a look they wouldn’t be caught
dead wearing otherwise, just to gain access to jobs, competitive
schools and anything else that could be kept from them.
>
> It's what inspired me, in 2019, to create Black Hair Defined,
a multimedia project designed to celebrate Black hairstyles,
highlight their cultural significance, and encourage the Black
people wearing them to reject claims about these styles’
inferiority.
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Thank you!
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> Mandating or encouraging Black people to comb out their hair
kinks could put them in harm's way — both mentally and
physically. Ultimately, it’s a sick offer to make: “Black folks,
you may be accepted into our exclusive groups if you agree to
cover your head in cancer-causing chemicals. And to our liking,
please — you know how we feel about frizz.”
>
> This new study reinforces the very real dangers posed by hair
discrimination. The Crown Act is needed now more than ever.
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Re: Dress decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: November 8, 2022, 5:11 pm
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Mainstream journalism beginning to perceive what we perceive:
HTML https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cop27-leaders-dress-business-egypt-194629724.html
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>
[img]
HTML https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/p3nMjvKO26caoq5t1aeFfQ--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTY0MDtjZj13ZWJw/https://media.zenfs.com/en/wwd_409/64934298bd35e1e53a529f91d575fd76[/img]
>
> For the official group photo at the opening ceremony on
Monday, political leaders and representatives from 190 countries
posed in their best formal suits to debate climate change
adaptation, climate finance, decarbonization, agriculture and
biodiversity over the next week.
> ...
> a majority of the leaders opted for the safe, classic suit in
black, navy and gray.
>
> The standouts at the summit were the leaders from the Arabian
Peninsula and African continent wearing traditional dress from
their native countries.
>
>
[img]
HTML https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/EvBPfXtQAK7NExhR6RdHgg--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTYzNztjZj13ZWJw/https://media.zenfs.com/en/wwd_409/f82e7005aa162e543f898f62a5139d57[/img]
> ...
> “It seems the western world is out-of-date, in stark contrast
to those who are clearly proud of their culture.”
>
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This is the kind of article we need more of.
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Re: Dress decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 11, 2023, 6:53 pm
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While the main theme of this topic is to get former victims of
Western colonialism to stop dressing like their colonizers,
another aspect is to get the colonialists to stop wearing our
stuff:
HTML https://www.allure.com/story/gwen-stefani-japanese-harajuku-lovers-interview
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> Gwen Stefani: "I Said, 'My God, I'm Japanese'"
> ...
> "I said, 'My God, I'm Japanese and I didn't know it.'" As
those words seemed to hang in the air between us, she continued,
"I am, you know." She then explained that there is "innocence"
to her relationship with Japanese culture, referring to herself
as a "super fan."
>
> "If [people are] going to criticize me for being a fan of
something beautiful and sharing that, then I just think that
doesn't feel right," she told me. "I think it was a beautiful
time of creativity… a time of the ping-pong match between
Harajuku culture and American culture."
> ...
> I am a woman who has been called racial slurs because of her
appearance, feared for her father’s safety as he traveled with
her on New York City subways, and boiled with anger as
grandparents were being attacked and killed because they were
Asian. I envy anyone who can claim to be part of this vibrant,
creative community but avoid the part of the narrative that can
be painful or scary.
>
> I spent 32 minutes in conversation with Stefani, many of them
devoted to her lengthy answer to my question about Harajuku
Lovers. In that time, she said more than once that she is
Japanese. Allure’s social media associate (who is Asian and
Latina) was also present for the interview and we were left
questioning what we had heard. Maybe she misspoke? Again and
again?
> ...
> I don’t believe Stefani was trying to be malicious or hurtful
in making these statements. But words don’t have to be hostile
in their intent in order to potentially cause harm, and my
colleague and I walked away from that half hour unsettled. I
wanted to better understand why.
> ...
> I asked Fariha I. Khan, Ph.D., codirector of the Asian
American Studies Program at the University of Pennsylvania, to
help clarify the line between inspiration or appreciation and
appropriation. "Simply put, cultural appropriation is the use of
one group’s customs, material culture, or oral traditions by
another group," she said, and raises two important factors to
consider: commodification and an unequal power relationship.
>
> In terms of commodification, Stefani has certainly made a lot
of money tapping into other cultures for inspiration. "A hit is
a hit," Stefani told me, referencing the success of her Harajuku
Mini children’s clothing line in Target from 2011 and her
fashion line L.A.M.B. from 2003.
> ...
> And then there’s the power part: "When a group has been
historically marginalized and/or racialized by another group,
the issue of power is central to cultural appropriation,"
explains Dr. Khan. "The dominant group has the power to take (or
appropriate) the marginalized group’s customs and practices and
give these traditions meaning — without the original context or
significance."
>
> And the unequal power relationship between the person with the
power (often a white person) and the group they claim to be part
of can create negative repercussions for the latter — no matter
the intentions of the former. "While I think [lack of awareness]
is a valid reason, I don’t think it’s a valid excuse," says
Angela Nguyen, MSW, a therapist at the Yellow Chair Collective,
a psychotherapist group with an emphasis on serving the Asian
American community.
>
> "A white person doesn’t have to face the racism, prejudices,
or discrimination that a Japanese, Mexican, or El Salvadorian
person would have to face," continues Nguyen. "They can put on
those bits of culture sort of like a costume." And that can lead
to a diluted perception of the minority group, Nguyen explains.
When it comes to the AAPI community, she says, "It can affect,
first, how AAPI people are perceived and, second, how AAPI
people perceive themselves."
--- End Quote ---
Exactly. See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/jews-have-nothing-in-common-with-us!/msg17396/#msg17396
To be clear, we should be happy to see "non-whites" from
different cultural backgrounds wearing one another's clothes. We
should only be offended when "whites" (including Jews) wear our
clothes.
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkfzi12e8IE
Woke comments:
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> I don’t like how condescending she sounded, nor do I like or
agree with what she said. Gwen is untouchable
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> when she came out with her new look with those Japanese women,
I literally lost all respect for that woman. I noticed even in
the music videos that she treated them like pets... As if they
were her personal dolls or some shit. Either way it was messed
up. It's time she faces what she did! I have no issue with
people exploring and appreciating others cultures but this bs is
vial! These women were used as a gimmick to make some white lady
richer than they could even imagine. Absolutely disgusting!
--- End Quote ---
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> and they will gladly adopt her into the fold, they 'worship;
at the alter of whitness...hardcore
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> Wypipo always wanna take and culturally appropriate. Thieves
for centuries.
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