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Re: Dress decolonization
By: Zea_mays Date: July 23, 2021, 11:16 am
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I couldn't find any articles written about this, but I have
heard about a number of different "black" professors and
intellectuals who wear Western 1700s-style clothing in 'protest'
of Eurocentrism. I guess they wait for people to ask why they
are wearing weird clothes and then go on a long rant about
something. But 99% of the people who see them from afar probably
think they are just colonial junkies on their way to a
Renaissance fair.
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On a different note, here is an another article about denim's
association with the Civil Rights Movement. Within the movement,
there was a battle between those who wanted to appear
respectable by "white" standards, and those who rebelled by
rejecting "respectable" Western forms of clothing.
[quote]While Elvis Presley and the cast of Rebel Without a Cause
helped spark a new appreciation for bootcuts among the
Youthquake culture, most people considered them too closely
linked with the working man to wear them. For example, in 1969
nearly 200 students got suspended from their high school for
wearing dark blue pants because they too closely resembled blue
jeans. They were mostly something you wore while cleaning out
the garage, not something you put on for cocktails.
[...]
But the revolutionaries on the front pages of newspapers helped
denim become a staple in everyday people’s wardrobes. “It took
Martin Luther King’s march on Washington to make them popular,”
wrote Caroline A. Jones, author of Machine in the Studio:
Constructing the Postwar American Artist. “It was here that
civil rights activists were photographed wearing the poor
sharecropper's blue denim overalls to dramatize how little had
been accomplished since Reconstruction.”
While at first activists snapped on their overalls out of
practicality — they were tired of mending tears from attack dogs
and high-pressure hoses, and jeans could withstand the abuse —
they also put them on to bring back a not-too-distant past. They
used to be referred to as ‘Negro clothes’ — slave owners bought
denim for their enslaved workers, partly because the material
was sturdy, and partly because it helped contrast them against
the linen suits and lace parasols of plantation families — and
their inclusion in the civil rights movement suggested that
pointed societal divide. For much of the black community, the
activists’ symbolism was obvious. Separate then; separate now.
“There were some African Americans who felt that to wear jeans
was disrespectful to yourself,” says James Sullivan, author of
Jeans: A Cultural History of an American Icon. “For many African
Americans, denim workwear represented a painful reminder of the
old sharecropper system. James Brown, for one, refused to wear
jeans, and for years forbade his band members from wearing
them.” Sullivan points out that if you look at pictures of the
sons and daughters of the sharecropper generations of the early
20th century who moved north to get away from the fields, you’ll
notice that they wore suits, ties, and hats to their factory
jobs, partly to create that distance.
[...]
Although some protestors knew their white neighbors would chafe
against seeing them walk the streets in sharecropper clothes —
and used that to their advantage — the strategy wasn't promoted
by all Freedom Fighters. Respectability politics was still a
popular tactic for gaining support. In 1965, before gearing up
to drive down to three hard-core segregationist states in the
Deep South to register people to vote, a NAACP representative
went to the front of the room during a secret civil rights
meeting in New York City, and flatly declared, “We don't want
any girls in blue jeans. We don't want any boys in beards.” They
wanted people’s hair pressed and collars crisp, knowing how
quickly the evening news would misrepresent them if they came in
anything less than their Sunday best.
[...]
by putting on the working man’s uniform, revolutionaries showed
they didn’t have to dress in a way their white peers deemed
“acceptable” in order to gain the rights that were theirs to
begin with. Even if activists showed up in banker’s pinstripes,
that wouldn’t convert segregationists into allies. “No matter
what the whites’ sense of justice tells them needs to be done
for Negroes, are they going to let themselves to be bulldozed
into doing it?” asked the Missouri Springfield Leader and Press
in 1967. Whites refused to be “pushed” toward equality. The
movement’s clothes weren’t the issue, and having their
appearance policed was just another way of being controlled.
Denim was very much the look of the black freedom struggle, but
like most nonconformist messages — from the anti-establishment
punks with their queen’s tartan to the anti-capitalist beatniks
with their berets — it was co-opted by the mainstream; taken out
of its original context in order to fit into people’s wardrobes.
But unlike those well-known and heavily referenced underground
movements, most people aren’t aware which of their denim styles
were copied from civil rights protestors. Instead, those same
styles were lauded as “new.”[/quote]
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Re: Dress decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 23, 2021, 11:25 pm
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"I have heard about a number of different "black" professors and
intellectuals who wear Western 1700s-style clothing in 'protest'
of Eurocentrism. I guess they wait for people to ask why they
are wearing weird clothes and then go on a long rant about
something. But 99% of the people who see them from afar probably
think they are just colonial junkies on their way to a
Renaissance fair."
This sounds like a stupid idea to me. It would be equivalent to
us as anti-Zionists walking around wearing kippahs!
[quote]it helped contrast them against the linen suits and lace
parasols of plantation families[/quote]
See also:
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Re: Dress decolonization
By: Avena_sativa Date: July 25, 2021, 1:54 pm
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[quote]Islamic dress codes try to reduce women's visible sexual
dimorphism as opposed to Western dress codes which try to
increase women's visible sexual dimorphism. It is incredible
that I even need to explain this[/quote]
I actually think that this needs to be explained further,
especially when we consider that many False Leftists who receive
our propaganda share similar positions (often in agreement) with
Rightists on the topic of Mohammedanism. Generally, False
Leftists who hold some form of
anti-colonial/anti-western/anti-“white” beliefs already agree
that Islamic dress codes are at least superior to Western dress
codes. However, explicit discussions of sexual dimorphism being
the reason for this superiority may result in the more
idealistically-motivated False Leftists (especially ones who
claim to be anti-traditionalist) seeing contemporary Islamic
dress codes as visually sexually dimorphic in their own right on
account of such codes employing different articles of clothing
for men than for women and on account of the perception that
those dress codes reduce the visual sexual dimorphism of women
without simultaneously reducing the visual sexual dimorphism of
men to the same degree.
This may produce positive results, such as the motivation to
improve existing Islamic dress codes. It also could produce
negative results, such as False Leftists drawing an incorrect
conclusion that Mohammedanism views women as more sexually
dimorphic than men. I believe this potential confusion could be
proactively prevented if we are able to communicate an idealized
version of the Islamic dress code according to Mohammedan
standards to the audience receiving our message. What might such
a dress code look like relative to the existing ones?
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Re: Dress decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 25, 2021, 10:25 pm
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"contemporary Islamic dress codes as visually sexually dimorphic
in their own right on account of such codes employing different
articles of clothing for men than for women"
The key is to clearly explain that different dress practices for
men and for women does not necessarily correspond to celebration
of sexual dimorphism, so long as the particular practices are
designed to disguise (rather than accentuate) the sexual
dimorphism of the practitioners.
"those dress codes reduce the visual sexual dimorphism of women
without simultaneously reducing the visual sexual dimorphism of
men to the same degree."
This is a valid criticism and one which I have raised myself in
the past. Why should women do more work than men in dressing up?
They should not. But the point here is that Western dress also
requires women to do more work than men in dressing up, yet this
extra work is done by women in order to increase their visible
sexual dimorphism! Thus both Western and Islamic dress codes
(sadly) require women to do more work, but for opposite
objectives, and comparing only the objectives allows us to
conclude that Islamic dress code is at least trying to aim in a
good direction (albeit with much room for improvement).
"an idealized version of the Islamic dress code according to
Mohammedan standards to the audience receiving our message. What
might such a dress code look like relative to the existing
ones?"
The main issue is how to cover hair. I personally would say that
hats/turbans are adequate, though societies which want
headscarves should be allowed to keep using them on the
condition that men be required to wear them also. I also support
the alternative of shaving the head.
Related:
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Re: Dress decolonization
By: Zea_mays Date: July 26, 2021, 12:27 pm
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[quote]This sounds like a stupid idea to me. It would be
equivalent to us as anti-Zionists walking around wearing
kippahs![/quote]
I still can't find any articles about US
professors/intellectuals doing this, but I stumbled across this
article about Namibians. (See articles for pictures).
[quote]The Namibians who STILL dress like their colonial
masters: Tribe clings to 19th century dress 'to protest against
the Germans who butchered them'
Anthropologists believe the dress of the Herero tribe is a
fascinating subversion of their former rulers' fashion[/quote]
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Maybe 100 years ago it was a triumph over colonialism, now it's
just plain colonialism.
[quote]Naughten told TIME that, according to custom, whenever a
Herero warrior would kill a German soldier they would take his
uniform, considered to be a badge of honor and an act that would
symbolically “take their power.”
Today, many of the uniforms are merely bartered, bought or sold,
but the influence of the early German colonial wares has led the
Herero to adopt other more European elements of fashion. In this
remote corner of the Namib, European style of dress has become a
celebrated aspect of the modern Herero’s identity.[/quote]
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This website may be a useful resource when examining
colonization and decolonization in fashion:
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Re: Dress decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: July 26, 2021, 10:42 pm
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[quote]take his uniform, considered to be a badge of honor and
an act that would symbolically “take their power.”[/quote]
Take it and burn it! Western power is to be destroyed, not
appropriated for one's own use! This is Boromir Syndrome all
over again!
[quote]the influence of the early German colonial wares has led
the Herero to adopt other more European elements of fashion. In
this remote corner of the Namib, European style of dress has
become a celebrated aspect of the modern Herero’s
identity.[/quote]
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More from the first link:
[quote]Herero women also affected the styles and the airs and
graces of the Christian missionary ladies who had come among
them in the 1890s.[/quote]
Why do you want to become that which oppressed you?
Oh, wait:
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[quote]Unlike most Bantu, who are primarily subsistence
farmers,[2] the Herero are traditionally pastoralists. They make
a living tending livestock.[3][/quote]
Turanians. This explains everything.....
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Re: Olympics
By: Zhang Caizhi Date: August 7, 2021, 7:19 am
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North Korea's leader:
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Re: Dress decolonization
By: Zea_mays Date: August 10, 2021, 6:17 pm
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It's weird how in children's stories it is popular for
characters to have patches on their clothes from mending, but
most adults would rather throw their clothes away if they get
the tiniest hole.
I think things like mending one's clothes and thrifting old
clothes is one of the simplest ways for an individual to start
decolonizing their wardrobe. This is basically the bare minimum
to reject consumerist-driven fashion trends.
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Re: Dress decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 10, 2021, 10:38 pm
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I love mended clothes (as well as quilts etc.)! They are one of
my favourite features in children's books. I mend clothes as
much as possible. I still wear many of the clothes I was wearing
when I was a teenager. Most of my peers can no longer fit into
theirs, but I of course do not have this problem due to my
superior somatotype.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunge#Clothing_and_fashion
[quote]The grunge look typically consisted of second-hand
clothes or thrift store items
...
As well, since women in the grunge scene wore the "... same
plaid [shirt]s, boots, and short cropped heads as their male
counterparts", women showed "... that they are not defined by
their sex appeal."[104]
"Grunge ... became an anti-consumerist movement where the less
you spent on clothes, the more 'coolness' you had."[105]
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Technically speaking, it should be noted that Western clothes
are uniquely incompatible with mending due to their topological
complexity:
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etc.
therefore it is definitely true that a pro-mending tendency will
logically lead to recognition of Western inferiority.
For that matter, the topological complexity of Western clothes
also makes them especially annoying to iron. I am reminded of
Western inferiority every time I do ironing, especially when I
iron Western and non-Western clothes back-to-back.
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Re: Dress decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 17, 2021, 10:05 pm
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Western dress is out in Afghanistan!
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(Now you see how slavish North Korea is in comparison.....)
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