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Re: Dress decolonization
By: rp Date: April 16, 2021, 10:41 pm
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"Yes, but jeans did not become fashionable until associated with
Counterculture"
The same could be said of New Age Hedonism....
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Re: Dress decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 16, 2021, 10:44 pm
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What are you proposing?
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Re: Dress decolonization
By: rp Date: April 16, 2021, 10:47 pm
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I am saying that we should not praise all things Counterculture
because some of them are Jewish.
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Re: Dress decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 16, 2021, 10:56 pm
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Yes, Jews are experts at controlling dissent by leading it.
This is unrelated to our need to establish that Counterculture
is not to be referred to as "Western", an academic error which
is currently causing a lot of confusion as many who claim to be
"anti-Western" are actually anti-Counterculture.
If you want to critique Counterculture, please start a new topic
here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/
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Re: Dress decolonization
By: rp Date: April 16, 2021, 11:22 pm
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So would opposing jeans necessarily make one Western? Shouldn't
non-Westerners also oppose jeans since they are after all a
Western invention?
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Re: Dress decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 17, 2021, 12:21 am
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"So would opposing jeans necessarily make one Western?"
Not necessarily. But anyone who opposes jeans MORE THAN they
oppose anything within Western dress code (informal and above)
is Western, since in effect they imply that Western is superior
to Counterculture.
"Shouldn't non-Westerners also oppose jeans since they are after
all a Western invention?"
You may personally prefer some non-Western types of trousers
over jeans, but you should still give credit to pro-jeans
fashion movements for the significant part they played in
chipping away at Western dress code during the Counterculture
era:
[quote]Distressed denim emerged from the cultural punk movement
in the 1970s. Early punks tore apart consumer goods as an
expression of their anger towards society.[52] Johnny Rotten of
the Sex Pistols manifested the British punk ideology, which was
fighting against the status quo. Denim became a key target of
this politically fueled deconstruction, with both men and women
donning torn pants and jackets, accessorized with safety pins
and slogans. The trend became popular again in the 1990s with
the emergence of grunge fashion. If punk was "anti-fashion",
grunge was "non-fashion". The grunge youth wore loose-fitting
ripped jeans, flannel shirts or woolen Pendletons layered over
T-shirts. Their anti-conformist approach to fashion led to the
popularization of the casual chic look, a trend which continued
into the 2000s.[/quote]
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Re: Dress decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 17, 2021, 10:20 pm
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While on the subject, let me mention one element of Western
dress that has always irritated me: sexually dimorphic button
placement:
[img]
HTML https://i.insider.com/583dd3bd65edfe21008b4c38?width=1136&format=jpeg[/img]
This does not happen with the clothes of any other civilization,
thereby once again demonstrating Western inferiority in its
unique obsession with sexual dimorphism.
HTML https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/03/the-curious-case-of-men-and-womens-buttons/388844/
[quote]Women’s and men’s shirts and jackets differ not just in
terms of how they’re cut, but also in how they’re oriented: To
the person wearing them, men’s dress shirts have their buttons
on the right, while women’s have them on the left.
This is not a big thing, but it is a weird thing: Every day,
millions of people are walking around with these little
reminders of gender inequality emblazoned on their chests. There
are different theories as to why the discrepancy exists in the
first place, but all of them come down to this: The Button
Differential is a relic of an old tradition that we have ported,
rather unthinkingly, into the contemporary world.
...
“To insure that an enemy's lance point would not slip between
the plates,” curators write in The Art of Chivalry: European
Arms and Armor from the Metropolitan Museum of Art, “they
overlapped from left to right, since it was standard fighting
practice that the left side, protected by the shield, was turned
toward the enemy. Thus, men's jackets button left to right even
to the present day.”
You can extend the theory even further back (as in, waaaaaay
further back). As Katherine Lester puts it in Accessories of
Dress, “a man's role as hunter required that he pull a weapon
from left to right. Fastening a garment from right to left would
impede the movement of our ancestors.”
...
Okay. So that (mostly) explains why men’s buttons are on the
right. But then, why are women’s on the left?
One theory: babies. Given right-hand dominance, women tend to
hold their infants in their left arms, keeping their right arms
relatively free. So shirts whose open flap is on the right, one
theory goes, makes it easier for them to open with those free
hands for breastfeeding.
Another theory: horses. Women, to the extent women rode horses,
rode sidesaddle, to the right—so putting their shirt and dress
buttons on the left reduced, to some extent, the breeze that
would flow into their shirts as they were trotting along.
[/quote]
Sidesaddle is also not present in any other civilization, though
many civilizations adopted horseriding from Turanians. So we
have yet another example of Western inferiority in its unique
obsession with sexual dimorphism. Here we have the buttons and
the saddle (and the subhuman face) in one picture:
HTML https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/b/portrait-lady-red-horse-riding-walk-horsewoman-woman-astride-aristocrat-riding-walk-41905061.jpg
By the way:
HTML https://www.horsetalk.co.nz/2014/10/06/sidesaddles-suffragettes-fight-ride-vote/
[quote]because it placed the majority of the weight on one side,
it routinely injured the horse’s back. Plus, because of the long
flapping riding dress hanging along his left flank, a “lady’s
horse” had to be exceptionally well-trained, which translated
into “expensive.” Finally, because of its bad fit, grooms were
known to girth a sidesaddle up so tightly that the horse had
trouble breathing.[/quote]
But:
[quote]Nevertheless, a noted British riding master, Colonel
Hitchcock, urged women to continue with the method because, “the
sidesaddle is the most decorative, dignified, and graceful
method, and pleases the male eye, which prefers the
ultra-feminine woman to the type which emulates the male in
attire or atmosphere.”[/quote]
**** Westerners.....
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Re: Dress decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 19, 2021, 1:43 am
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While we're at it, let's look at a few other sexual dimorphism
enhancements unique to colonial-era Western dress:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bustle
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Bustle_c._1885.jpg/448px-Bustle_c._1885.jpg
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/21/English_bustles_1875-1885_LACMA.jpg/800px-English_bustles_1875-1885_LACMA.jpg
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d1/USpatent131840_1872.gif/546px-USpatent131840_1872.gif
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/Bustle_MET_CI45.79.2_S.jpg/483px-Bustle_MET_CI45.79.2_S.jpg
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Bustle.png/259px-Bustle.png
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannier_(clothing)
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Woman%27s_Corset_LACMA_M.2007.211.353.jpg/431px-Woman%27s_Corset_LACMA_M.2007.211.353.jpg
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/68/Sofia_Magdalenas_kr%C3%B6ningsdr%C3%A4kt_-_Livrustkammaren_-_13119.tif/lossy-page1-732px-Sofia_Magdalenas_kr%C3%B6ningsdr%C3%A4kt_-_Livrustkammaren_-_13119.tif.jpg
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Panniers_%28drawing%29.jpg/429px-Panniers_%28drawing%29.jpg
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corset
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Calkins-corset-ad-1898.jpg
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/01/Corset1878taille46_300gram.png/389px-Corset1878taille46_300gram.png
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a6/RFpatent371319_1906.png/586px-RFpatent371319_1906.png
And for men:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codpiece
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Cod-Piece_by_Wendelin_Boeheim.jpg
Yes, the one on the right actually has a FACE on it! Westerners
want to be literal dickheads!
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/Giovanni_Battista_Moroni_009.jpg/511px-Giovanni_Battista_Moroni_009.jpg
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Alonso_S%C3%A1nchez_Coello_-_Prince_Don_Carlos_of_Austria_-_WGA20718.jpg/574px-Alonso_S%C3%A1nchez_Coello_-_Prince_Don_Carlos_of_Austria_-_WGA20718.jpg
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Jakob_Seisenegger_001.jpg/359px-Jakob_Seisenegger_001.jpg
Anyone who tells you Western civilization is not the most sexist
civilization in history is lying.
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Re: Dress decolonization
By: guest5 Date: April 20, 2021, 1:07 am
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There's a joke about Westerners polishing their codpiece lurking
around in my brain somewhere that I heard from someone once, but
I forget how it goes. The fact that they actually put a face on
one though should be all anyone needs see to come to the
realization Westerners are some of the most mentally disturbed
people in all of human history. :D
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Re: Dress decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 23, 2021, 12:18 am
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HTML https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/model-rawdah-mohamed-using-social-170400624.html
[quote]Model Rawdah Mohamed On Using Social Media to Challenge
France’s Proposed Hijab Ban
...
I wanted my oppressors to see my face and the women who look
like me. They don't get to hide in their luxurious parliament
offices and regulate the female body without a fight. I want my
face—and all of our faces—to always be remembered.[/quote]
OK, let's get this done first (incoming Aryan phenotype alert!):
[img]
HTML https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/3za7LRGFPHdQK5V8ERJSow--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTk2MDtoPTQ4Mi40MTIwNjAzMDE1MDc1NTtjZj13ZWJw/https://s.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/1btJhyQIGV26cQfbKec3kg--~B/aD02MDA7dz0xMTk0O2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/https://media.zenfs.com/en/harper_s_bazaar_391/529d69f19a0460597bd8379147c80323[/img]
[img]
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HTML https://i.mdel.net/i/db/2020/1/1267774/1267774-500w.jpg
[quote]This ban disproportionately harms the right of women to
manifest their freedom of religion. It is devastating. There is
risk of marginalization which will also exclude hijabi women
from the public spaces, and the ban can also weaponize
oppressive and aggressive ideologies that continue to target us.
For women this means daily discrimination in workplaces and out
in the public. As reported by CCIF (The Collective Against
Islamophobia in France) there were 676 registered Islamophobic
acts in 2018 and seventy percent of those targeted were women,
with fifty-five percent of those acts being committed by
institutions. This is a highly dangerous xenophobic and anti-
Muslim climate that we must move past together.
As a Muslim hijabi woman who often works in France, I believe
this ban stems from discrimination and deeply rooted stereotypes
against women of my religion. In my work as a fashion model, I
constantly have to fight against inaccurate representation and
biased perceptions that have been politicized, which are further
reinforced through media outlets and then perpetuated within the
general public and the fashion industry. I see this ban as yet
another obstacle placed in the way of Muslim womens’
participation in society. The only thing this bill will
accomplish is separating Muslim women from the public space.
The obstacles Muslim women face appear in all facets of their
lives, including work. However, the times I have met creative
people in the fashion industry have all been positive
experiences—whether I have encountered designers, fashion
editors, or stylists. I have been on numerous shoots where
clients were eager to learn about the hijab and are open to
explore the identity of today’s Muslim women and how to best
portray us. On my first runway, the stylist along with the
creative director let me choose between various hijab of the
fashion house and allowed me to illustrate different ways I
would style the hijab.
The real challenge, and the most discrimination I have felt,
comes from the gatekeepers of the industry, mainly those in
public relations and casting directors. As a result, I have felt
hindered from the opportunity to meet the visionaries behind the
brands. Those whom I meet before the client have often been
perpetuators of the inaccurate representation of what it means
to be a hijabi woman. They are in search of their one girl,
their token card, and if you are not willing to play along with
their biased perceptions, you are as good as banned from many
jobs. They dominate the market and have exclusive control over
multiple fashion houses and their strategies.[/quote]
This is why nothing less than boycotting all Eurocentric brands
is needed. So long as they know enough people will keep buying
their products no matter how badly they behave, what incentive
have they to improve their behaviour?
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