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Aryanhood of different ethnicities
By: Mujahid Date: April 20, 2024, 5:38 pm
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@90sRetroFan
I see that you seem to prefer Germany and England over Poland,
Russia, France, Hungary, Austria, Serbia etc
As well as preferring Occitania and Southern Italy over Northern
France and Padania…
and Southern China over Northern China, Japan over Korea,
Iranians over Kurds...
I am kind of interested on what are your most and least
favourite cultures.
I am not looking to debate or argue just wanting to learn your
point of view as I have an amateur interest in anthropology and
linguistics.
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Re: Aryanhood of different ethnicities
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 20, 2024, 7:05 pm
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"I see that you seem to prefer Germany and England over Poland,
Russia, France, Hungary, Austria, Serbia etc"
Actually I like the non-Anglo-Saxon parts of Britain more than
England proper:
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Anglo-Saxon_Homelands_and_Settlements.svg/600px-Anglo-Saxon_Homelands_and_Settlements.svg.png
And West Germany more than East Germany:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/turanian-diffusion/msg15957/#msg15957
"As well as preferring Occitania and Southern Italy over
Northern France and Padania…"
And Catalonia over the rest of Iberia:
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0c/Bullfighting_in_Spain_by_province.png
(Occitania and Catalonia should have united:
HTML https://repositori.udl.cat/items/9f778957-8ac3-440a-8a84-204480dd1c27<br
/>)
"and Southern China over Northern China, Japan over Korea,
Iranians over Kurds..."
Within Japan, I prefer Kansai over Kanto:
HTML https://www.jistec.or.jp/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/%E9%96%A2%E8%A5%BF%E9%96%A2%E6%9D%B1.png
(By no coincidence, ultra-Eurocentrist Meiji:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/colonial-era/shimabara-rebellion-the-christian-revolt-that-isolated-medieval-japan-2645/msg13827/#msg13827
switched the capital from Kyoto to Tokyo.)
"what are your most and least favourite cultures."
In terms of pop culture I disproportionately favour 70s-90s (and
a few early 00s) pan-Yue (Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, Singapore,
Malaysia, etc.) works (which should be totally obvious by now!),
but I still retain appreciation for US West Coast and to a
lesser extent UK works from the same period also. In all the
above, artistic quality started crashing during the 00s and I do
not expect recovery any time soon. I am currently waiting to see
if any quality works come out of mainland China (which should
already have started happening long ago based on economic
models), but prospects look dismal so far.
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Re: Aryanhood of different ethnicities
By: Mujahid Date: April 22, 2024, 8:16 am
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It is important to know this because it is better to travel or
live somewhere where it is likely to experience racism, I guess
usually in areas where people vote for left-wing parties or are
minorities who feel oppressed by a majority ex: Scotland who has
chosen a British Pakistani to be their leader.
I thought that Southern Spaniards were also more down to earth
as their area is poorer and their accent has lower prestige.
I have noticed that upper middle class elites which are a mix of
light-skinned natives, Han Chinese and sometimes whites living
in Southeast Asian cities look down on darker native folks from
rural areas.
Also how a people see themselves can shift when privilege is
acquired… For example Poles helped the Haitians in their
rebellion against the French so they were given Honorary Black
status but now it seems that Poles in Western Europe try to be
racist to get acceptance like in that Finsbury Park mosque
attack, Venetis used to be discriminated for being farmers and
they used to mingle with Southerners in Northwest Italy until
Veneto became a rich industrial region that receives
immigration, now there are even Southerners who vote Salvini
because immigrants from Africa/Middle East are attracting the
hate instead. Likewise, there are traitorous Eurocentrist
Iranians, Turks and Levantines who want to be accepted as white
so badly so they hate on Peninsular Arabs.
I have also read that there has been racist attacks in Ireland
on immigrants. Is it because of the distinct Gentile/Turanian
and Aryan strains in these ethnicities? Wanting to belong to the
“chosen people”?
I also find it interesting for example that you prefer Cantonese
to Mandarin, and Dravidian languages to North Indian ones. It
seems that one has to speak English or French perfectly to not
receive criticism but any effort to speak Arabic perfectly for
example is taken with amazement as Arabs themselves only speak a
regional version of it. I would like to know which languages you
see positively and which negatively.
Thank you
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Re: Aryanhood of different ethnicities
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 22, 2024, 7:43 pm
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"I have also read that there has been racist attacks in Ireland
on immigrants."
Yes, this is very disappointing. In the past, I tried to
encourage Irish to emphasize that Ireland never participated in
Western colonialism and therefore reject being labelled "white".
But increasingly I have seen younger Irish defending the former
Western colonial powers instead. Their argument is not that the
Western colonial powers (rather than Ireland) have the greater
obligation to take in most of the immigrants from former Western
colonies (which I would agree with), but that neither Ireland
nor the former Western colonial powers should accept "non-white"
immigrants (but should accept "white" immigrants from South
Africa etc.). So I guess the newer (post-Counterculture-era)
generations of Irish see themselves as "white" after all.....
"I would like to know which languages you see positively and
which negatively."
On the most elementary level, I like languages with low sexual
dimorphism, such as with no gendered pronouns:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-degendering/msg5246/#msg5246
(Cantonese is superior to Mandarin in that even while under
Western colonialism the former refused to gender its pronouns,
unlike the latter which enthusiastically gendered its pronouns,
as noted in the linked post.)
I dislike languages with high sexual dimorphism:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-degendering/msg6261/#msg6261
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/true-left-breakthrough-degendering/msg8791/#msg8791
I especially despise languages in which even surnames are
gendered:
HTML https://www.quora.com/In-which-languages-are-surnames-gendered
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Re: Aryanhood of different ethnicities
By: Mujahid Date: May 13, 2024, 8:17 am
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Let’s start with English, which seems to be the international
language for the time being.
How can it Aryanize further?
Should it be pronounced as it is spelled?
Rhotic and whispered WH, no t flapping, no bath/trap split… It
would sound vaguely Irish/Scottish/American, which is cool.
Can the spelling of some words change?
Spellings such as “frend, ake, det” etc. have historical basis.
Others such as “thru” and “tho” are becoming very common.
What about removing French vocabulary to make it more
consistent?
Book and library are a strange pair… Bookhouse would make more
logical sense. Although this would remove intelligibility with
Romance languages, it would connect English with the Germanic
world. If French were to be pronounced as it is spelled it would
sound closer to Occitan. Italian could adopt the s always
pronounced as an s rather than z between vowels which is both a
Southern and Latin feature.
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Re: Aryanhood of different ethnicities
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 13, 2024, 5:58 pm
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"Should it be pronounced as it is spelled?"
"Can the spelling of some words change?"
This is the hard part: do we change pronounciation to fit
spelling or change spelling to fit pronounciation? Decisions
would probably have to be made separately for each word.
"Spellings such as “frend, ake, det” etc. have historical
basis."
In the case of "det" as an alternative for "debt", I would
prefer changing pronounciation to "deB-t" in order to maintain a
clear etymological connection with related words such as
"debit".
"What about removing French vocabulary to make it more
consistent?"
"Although this would remove intelligibility with Romance
languages, it would connect English with the Germanic world."
But is this what we want? In our narrative, Neolithic New Trojan
settlement (first infusion of Aryan blood) and later Roman rule
(introduction of Christianity) over Britain were positive events
whereas Bronze Age Beaker settlement (first infusion of Turanian
blood) and later Anglo-Saxon rule (re-paganization) were
negative events. Should not our preferred version of English be
the version that connects to the former rather than the latter?
Also, from a purely linguistic perspective I personally tend to
prefer Romance vocabulary. For example, I have always been
irritated by the Germanic English:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreword
which in practice consists of many words (rather than a single
word as the term would suggest if taken literally). The Romance
English:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preface
avoids this problem. So I always use the term "preface" for my
own such pieces.
(If we were to insist on using the Germanic term, we would have
to change it to "forewords" to make it literally accurate. But
now it sounds like "4 words" which is even worse!)
"Book and library are a strange pair… Bookhouse would make more
logical sense."
OK, then what would be your preferred term to replace
"librarian"?
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Re: Aryanhood of different ethnicities
By: Mujahid Date: May 14, 2024, 11:29 am
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Perhaps it makes no sense to remove Romance vocabulary from
English although I have heard that the Norman invasion was seen
as negative in some purist circles.
Perhaps a regularized and consistent English-based conlang where
every word is pronounced as it is spelled would prove itself to
be a successful international language unlike Esperanto.
Interlingua is the closest Romance conlang at the moment and it
could be employed among Romance speakers the same way Modern
Standard Arabic unites different national dialects.
Frankly, I also find it strange that we have to speak English to
our neighbours... It would make sense for Malay to be the lingua
franca of "Southeast Asia" and for the Sinosphere to communicate
with Chinese characters.
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Re: Aryanhood of different ethnicities
By: 90sRetroFan Date: May 14, 2024, 6:13 pm
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"I have heard that the Norman invasion was seen as negative in
some purist circles."
By the time the Normans invaded, England had been
re-Christianized thanks to the Celtic Church:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiberno-Scottish_mission
Thus if the Celtic Church is viewed as preferable to the
Catholic Church (which is our view, since we hate Charlemagne
etc.), then we can view the Norman invasion as negative in that
absent the Norman invasion Britain would probably not have
subsequently participated in the Crusades, and in a best-case
scenario would even have become an additional Cathar region
(optimistically assuming that the Celtic Church would have
accepted Catharism).
But I doubt most anti-Normanists share the above reasoning. Most
of the anti-Normanists that I have encountered seem to be
Duginist Hardrada fans who think the Anglo-Saxons should have
allied with the Vikings to defeat the Normans. ::)
"It would make sense for Malay to be the lingua franca of
"Southeast Asia""
If you wish to promote this, you should start by calling the
region:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malay_world
instead of "Southeast Asia".
"and for the Sinosphere to communicate with Chinese characters."
I agree. See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/linguistic-decolonization/msg22273/#msg22273
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/arctic-alliance/msg20274/#msg20274
(Another better alternative to "Southeast Asia" is:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanyang_(region)
)
We must get rid of colonial-era influences such as:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_alphabet
[quote]In 1910, the French colonial administration enforced
chữ Quốc ngữ.[22] The Latin alphabet then
became a means to publish Vietnamese popular literature, which
was disparaged as vulgar by the Chinese-educated imperial
elites.[23] Historian Pamela A. Pears asserted that by
instituting the Latin alphabet in Vietnam, the French cut the
Vietnamese from their traditional Hán Nôm literature.[24]
...
From the first days it was recognized that the Chinese language
was a barrier between us and the natives; the education provided
by means of the hieroglyphic characters was completely beyond
us; this writing makes possible only with difficulty
transmitting to the population the diverse ideas which are
necessary for them at the level of their new political and
commercial situation. Consequently we are obliged to follow the
traditions of our own system of education; it is the only one
which can bring close to us the Annamites of the colony by
inculcating in them the principles of European civilization and
isolating them from the hostile influence of our neighbors.[26]
— In a letter dated January 15, 1866, Paulin Vial,
Directeur du Cabinet du Gouverneur de la Cochinchine[/quote]
In contrast, those who themselves (without Western colonial
influence) voluntarily rejected Chinese script:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hangul#History
prove yet again that they are not part of the Sinosphere:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/blood-memory/msg11975/#msg11975
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Re: Aryanhood of different ethnicities
By: Zhang Caizhi Date: May 16, 2024, 6:15 am
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[quote author=Mujahid link=topic=2747.msg26428#msg26428
date=1715704171]
Perhaps it makes no sense to remove Romance vocabulary from
English although I have heard that the Norman invasion was seen
as negative in some purist circles.
Perhaps a regularized and consistent English-based conlang where
every word is pronounced as it is spelled would prove itself to
be a successful international language unlike Esperanto.
Interlingua is the closest Romance conlang at the moment and it
could be employed among Romance speakers the same way Modern
Standard Arabic unites different national dialects.
Frankly, I also find it strange that we have to speak English to
our neighbours... It would make sense for Malay to be the lingua
franca of "Southeast Asia" and for the Sinosphere to communicate
with Chinese characters.
[/quote]
Thai people may think differently saying that they aren't
colonized. Also, Burmese, Laotian, and Khmer people come to work
as labors in Thailand and Thai language are widely used to
communicate with Thais.
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