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Secularism
By: SirGalahad Date: April 13, 2024, 7:48 pm
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I dont know where else to post this, so Ill just post it here
for now:
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhRHQDm2dBs&t=45s
The video is obviously written from an anti-religious
perspective, but I think its still very valuable, and
ironically makes an excellent case for us to remain strictly
anti-secular from a strategic perspective. It makes note of the
strength and cohesiveness of Fremen society and culture, and
analyzes where that strength and cohesiveness comes from
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Re: Leftist vs rightist moral circles
By: antihellenistic Date: August 7, 2024, 8:38 am
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Western Capitalist Morality is Rightist by Nature
[quote]Modern capitalism favors values that undermine our
face-to-face bonds with friends and family members. Focusing on
the post-communist world, and comparing it to more "developed"
societies, this book reveals the mixed effects of capitalist
culture on interpersonal relationships. While most observers
blame the egoism and asocial behavior found in new free-market
societies on their communist pasts, this work shows how
relationships are also threatened by the profit orientations and
personal ambition unleashed by economic development. Successful
people in societies as diverse as China, Russia, and Eastern
Germany adjust to the market economy at a social cost, relaxing
their morals in order to obtain success and succumbing to
increased material temptations to exploit relationships for
their own financial and professional gain. The capitalist
personality is internally troubled as a result of this
"sellout," but these qualms subside as it devalues intimate
qualitative bonds with others. This book also shows that
post-communists are similarly individualized as people living in
Western societies. Capitalism may indeed favor values of
independence, creativity, and self-expressiveness, but it also
rewards self-centeredness, consumerism, and the stripping down
of morality. As is the case in the West, capitalist culture
fosters an internally conflicted and self-centered personality
in post-communist societies.[/quote]
Source :
Swader, C. (2013). The Capitalist Personality. Routledge.
HTML https://www.routledge.com/The-Capitalist-Personality-Face-to-Face-Sociality-and-Economic-Change-in-the-Post-Communist-World/Swader/p/book/9781138920675
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Re: Secularism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 7, 2024, 5:59 pm
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"Western Capitalist Morality is Rightist by Nature"
I would not say it is necessarily rightist, as actual rightists
frequently complain about capitalists as among those who want
open borders as a way to reduce labour costs. I have also seen
rightists blame capitalism for enabling the Counterculture due
to its free-market worldview that only viewed Counterculture
products as products that will sell well and hence ignored that
Counterculture products were dangerous to Western civilization.
Rightists only appreciate capitalism to the extent that it
promotes machinists, but they are already developing an
alternative pro-machinist ideology:
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Re: Secularism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 7, 2024, 6:27 pm
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The best way to intuitively understand the difference between
capitalism and rightism is to look at architecture:
[img width=1280
height=818]
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vs
[img width=989
height=1280]
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Re: Secularism
By: antihellenistic Date: August 7, 2024, 10:19 pm
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=2728.msg27326#msg27326
date=1723071555]
"Western Capitalist Morality is Rightist by Nature"
I would not say it is necessarily rightist, as actual rightists
frequently complain about capitalists as among those who want
open borders as a way to reduce labour costs. I have also seen
rightists blame capitalism for enabling the Counterculture due
to its free-market worldview that only viewed Counterculture
products as products that will sell well and hence ignored that
Counterculture products were dangerous to Western civilization.
Rightists only appreciate capitalism to the extent that it
promotes machinists, but they are already developing an
alternative pro-machinist ideology:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-false-left/progressive-yahwism/msg9778/#msg9778
[/quote]
Capitalists need a competitive society to thrive, competition
society breeds aggressive and manipulative personalities because
those personalities are effective in bringing people to win the
competition. Leftists care about working together and helping
each other, not beating each other for the sake of fame and
power. Therefore what you say about the relevance of cheap labor
imports from colored immigrants into the US during the 1960s
with capitalism is not really capitalism, but the
socialist-leaning attitude of United States governments caused
by Counterculture movements. Even the US government during the
1960s can be considered as not really democratic and capitalist
because of its attempt to enforce integration and redistribution
of national income without majority approval. Capitalist needs
productive immigrants or refugees, the example is the United
States during the early 20th century which favored "White
European" immigrants or refugees from Western Europe and
Scandinavia
Skyscraper buildings do not really represent leftism if they
still use tools that include machine complexity which rightists
embrace, and perpetuate competitionism
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Re: Secularism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: August 7, 2024, 11:53 pm
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"Capitalists need a competitive society to thrive, competition
society breeds aggressive and manipulative personalities because
those personalities are effective in bringing people to win the
competition."
Yes, but part of winning the competition is to reduce your own
labour costs by a greater margin than your competitors are able
to reduce theirs, which leads to bigger profit margins for you
than your competitors when other factors are equal. One way to
achieve this is by being able to employ immigrants from poorer
countries. This is why rightists dislike capitalism.
"what you say about the relevance of cheap labor imports from
colored immigrants into the US during the 1960s with capitalism
is not really capitalism, but the socialist-leaning attitude of
United States governments caused by Counterculture movements."
Of course it is capitalism. The capitalist businesses which
employed the immigrants reduced labour costs more than the
rightist businesses which did not. They WON THE COMPETITION by
doing so. That was the reason why they did what they did: they
knew this would help them WIN THE COMPETITION.
If it were socialism, the government would have to penalize
businesses for not employing immigrants in order to get them to
start employing immigrants. This was not the case.
"Capitalist needs productive immigrants or refugees, the example
is the United States during the early 20th century which favored
"White European" immigrants or refugees from Western Europe and
Scandinavia"
Here is an early 20th century rightist explicitly arguing that
capitalism favours "non-white" workers who are more productive
at lower cost, and hence demanding the government intervene
against capitalism in favour of "white" workers:
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"Skyscraper buildings do not really represent leftism"
I never claimed they did. My claim is that they represent
capitalism, which is distinct from rightism. Our enemies agree:
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Re: Secularism
By: rp Date: August 8, 2024, 1:13 am
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"Here is a rightist explicitly arguing that capitalism favours
"non-white" workers who are more productive at lower cost, and
hence demanding the government intervene against capitalism in
favour of "white" workers:"
See also:
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Re: Secularism
By: rp Date: August 15, 2024, 11:27 pm
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"Here is an early 20th century rightist explicitly arguing that
capitalism favours "non-white" workers who are more productive
at lower cost, and hence demanding the government intervene
against capitalism in favour of "white" workers:"
But doesn't this also mean that those "non Whites" who are more
productive at lower costs have "slave morality" in contrast to
the "Whites" who have "master morality"?
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Re: Secularism
By: StinkinLikeBigDump! Date: August 16, 2024, 12:39 am
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[quote]But doesn't this also mean that those "non Whites" who
are more productive at lower costs have "slave morality" in
contrast to the "Whites" who have "master morality"?[/quote]
Are you assuming all underpaid workers throughout human history
had access to the internet and mass media, much-less an
efficient and speedy mail service? How exactly would the average
worker in the 1600's have known that they were being underpaid
for their labor compared to a person on the other-side of the
globe who was being paid more for the same exact labor output? I
suppose a laborer in the 1600's could have figured out the price
of the goods they were helping to produce at a market, and then
made mathematical calculations derived from the price of the
product being sold at market in comparison to the labor they and
their fellow workers put in to produce such a product, to
further understand if they themselves and their fellow laborers
were in fact being compensated fairly, but whom among those
laborers had the time, energy, and understanding, to make such
calculations? Is this not how Marx gained so much prominence and
appeal amongst the working folk, by showing supposedly proving
to them the calculations that proved capitalism and the monied
interests were cheating the workers out of their due
compensation for labor performed? Was Marx a worker?
[quote]Marx actually had several jobs, primarily in journalism
(he edited several radical newspapers in Germany and wrote a
series of articles about the US Civil War for the New York Daily
Tribune), but also made some money from his political
writings.[/quote]
HTML https://www.quora.com/Ive-heard-various-stories-on-Karl-Marx-that-he-never-had-a-job-in-his-life-he-lived-with-his-friends-money-who-was-in-turn-rich-Can-anybody-verify
Of note and related:
[quote]
[...]
Hitler the Worker!
To me Vienna, the city which, to so many, is the epitome of
innocent pleasure, a festive playground for merrymakers,
represents, I am sorry to say, merely the living memory of the
saddest period of my life.
That is what Adolf Hitler wrote about his time in Vienna.
Czech-Jochbergs book Hitler describes in detail how the poor
lad, after failed attempts to attend the art academy and
architectural school, became a construction worker who did not
want to be organized by the Marxists.
One can only be as lonely as Hitler was in a big city. His 50
Guilder, a small fortune in Linz, melted way like frost in the
March sun. It was just enough to enjoy an evening glass of new
wine in Vienna.
I will take any job I can find, Hitler decided.
Preferably in construction so he could remain in the field.
The employers and foremen, however, shrugged their shoulders:
We only need trained workers.
I can work...
Do you have a certificate?
He did not.
As he was going: If you are willing to be a common laborer...
He did not want to, not at all, but he had to.
On the street below one heard the clopping of horses as a
calvary officer drove his cart past. Women with whole flower
gardens on their hats tripped past, as fast as their long skirts
allowed.
Every face radiated good cheer. Vienna, the city of songs.
One heard no songs where Hitler lived. An old lady complained in
the courtyard, adding to the racket. The odor of mice drifted
through the window, its broken pane covered with a sheet of
paper. A fellow roomer from the construction site tossed him a
newspaper. Read that... a girl was kidnapped at the Prater and
taken to a meadow where they did who knows what, then they threw
her body into the Danube. The newest crime, a sex murder.
intellectual nourishment for the people!
Hitler stormed out. Perhaps he would be able to get standing
room at the opera.
A scream came from the kitchen window . . . like a siren.
Worker Kaudelka was beating his wife. Yesterday was payday. Who
was not drunk?
Did no one notice these people, who slept on Friday with their
heads on the table at a suburban building because they did not
want to go home, who skipped work on Saturday and begged a
neighbor on Monday for a few coins to buy bread?
No, the supervision was not that bad: The same agent who debated
the people and religion and progress with Hitler during the
lunch break went to the foreman, pulled on his cap, and said:
We wont work with this guy... He is no good.
The foreman looked at the angry man, thought a bit, decided that
it was not necessary to get into a fight about a common laborer,
and fired Hitler.
How often he had that experience! He wandered from construction
site to construction site, became more silent and bitter. When
he was not at work, there were times when he could talk. But one
speaks poorly when one is hungry.
[...][/quote]
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Re: Secularism
By: 90sRetroFan Date: January 1, 2025, 8:23 pm
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