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Flag decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 4, 2020, 3:27 am
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Our initial targets should be former victims of British
colonialism:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_with_the_Union_Jack_displayed_on_their_flag
Good designs for alternative national flags in fact have already
been proposed in some cases:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proposed_Australian_flags
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_proposed_New_Zealand_flags
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Tuvalu#Changes_and_controversies
therefore in these cases it is mainly a matter of pushing for
replacement of the existing flags. Of course those designs which
continue to include the colonizer flag are unacceptable, as are
designs which include tasteless items such as boomerangs (a
hunting weapon).
Elsewhere, alternative flags have yet to be designed:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Fiji#Proposal_for_a_new_flag
And in the remaining cases political independence has not yet
been achieved!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Overseas_Territories#Current_overseas_territories
Nevertheless, post-independence flags can still be designed in
advance as a way to promote the idea of independence.
Beyond this, the flags of all the former Western colonial powers
need to come down someday.
I also want to draw attention to the flag of Myanmar:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Myanmar
We oppose the current flag (in use since 2010, following
democratization):
HTML https://cdn.nybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/rohingya-protest.jpg
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Democracy sucks:
www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12242524
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> National flag: Former PM John Key would now bypass referendum
and just choose new ensign
> ...
> Key - the current chairman of ANZ Bank NZ - had been strongly
in favour of changing the national flag in 2015 and 2016 when he
was Prime Minister, preferring a black and white silver fern
design to the current flag with its British Union Jack on it.
>
> His Government spent $26 million and two years engaging with
the public in a bid to bring about the change.
>
> Two referendums were held; one choosing the best flag design
and a second to decide whether it should replace the current
flag.
>
> Eventually, 56.6 per cent of Kiwi voters chose to keep the old
flag in March 2016, compared with 43.2 per cent in favour of a
new flag design.
>
> Key was criticised for the cost of the process and starting a
contentious debate that divided the country.
>
> But he told 66 Magazine he would now bypass and do away with
the debate and go straight for the flag change because New
Zealand needed an iconic symbol.
>
> "I still believe that, as a small country at the bottom of the
world if we want people to know us, we need a symbol that is
ours," he said.
--- End Quote ---
Yes. But the country also needs to stop being called "New
Zealand", because it is undignified for a country in the Pacific
Ocean to be named after a Dutch province:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/name-decolonization/
Also, what sense does it make to change the flag while retaining
the British head of state?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand#Government_and_politics
--- Quote ---
> Elizabeth II is the Queen of New Zealand[67] and thus the head
of state.[68]
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And most importantly, democracy should be scrapped. What sense
does it make to change the flag while retaining a Western system
of governance?
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Common sense:
www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/apartheid-flag-ruling-gratuitous-display-constitutes-hate-speech-20190821
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> The gratuitous display of the old apartheid flag constitutes
hate speech, the Equality Court, sitting in the Gauteng High
court in Johannesburg, ruled on Wednesday.
>
> The Nelson Mandela Foundation and Human Rights Commission took
the case to court, asking that the gratuitous display of the
flag be stopped.
>
> Handing down judgment on Wednesday, Judge Phineas Mojapelo
said the display of the old flag gratuitously demeans and
dehumanises on the basis of race. He added that it impairs
dignity.
--- End Quote ---
I am against the inaccurate term "hate speech" (why not simply
"colonialist speech"?), but the ruling itself is a step in the
correct direction. The whole world should folllow South Africa's
example and take it further. Displaying any colonial flag
(including the flag of Israel) without countervailing context
(e.g. burning it) should be regarded as a declaration of war by
default, and displayers treated as enemy combat units.
#Post#: 102--------------------------------------------------
Re: Flag decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 4, 2020, 3:27 am
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A small victory:
HTML https://www.economist.com/united-states/2020/07/04/mississippi-changes-its-state-flag
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Re: Flag decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 14, 2020, 2:18 pm
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HTML http://timesofsweden.com/2020/07/14/call-to-remove-the-cross-from-the-swedish-flag-because-it-is-problematic/
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> according to Patrik Lindenfors the symbol is “problematic”,
claiming that Christianity is connected with slavery
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Jesus never taught slavery. The Tanakh did, of course. So it is
Judeo-Christianity that is connected with slavery. Sweden, of
course, like all the other Western colonial powers, practiced
Judeo-Christianity. But more to the point, the current Swedish
flag was the same one used during the colonial era:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_overseas_colonies
(note
the flag)
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_slave_trade
so for this reason the flag certainly should be changed. Failure
to do so would suggest Sweden wishes to associate itself with
its colonial past. (One reason why National Socialist Germany
changed the German flag was to mark a clean break from Germany's
colonial past. Every former Western colonial power should follow
this example.)
#Post#: 364--------------------------------------------------
Re: Military subverters
DIR By: guest5
Date: July 17, 2020, 4:48 pm
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Pentagon effectively bans confederate flags on military property
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> The Pentagon on Friday laid out a new policy on Friday that
will ban displays of the Confederate flag on military
installations, in a memo that avoids mentioning an explicit ban
or the controversial flag itself.
--- End Quote ---
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GU0PNblePNI
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Re: Flag decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: February 13, 2021, 9:43 pm
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Minor victory (worth reading the whole article):
HTML https://authenticamericandream.blogspot.com/2021/02/mississippi-removes-confederate-flag.html
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Re: Flag decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: August 19, 2021, 9:54 pm
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This is the official flag of Afghanistan:
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Flag_of_the_Taliban.svg/800px-Flag_of_the_Taliban.svg.png
This is the flag of the now deposed Western puppet state:
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Flag_of_Afghanistan_%282013%E2%80%932021%29.svg/800px-Flag_of_Afghanistan_%282013%E2%80%932021%29.svg.png
This is the correct way to do flag decolonization:
HTML https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/19/several-reported-killed-taliban-shoot-crowds-waving-afghan-flag
What I don't understand is why the US has not been similarly
shooting anyone on US soil flying the Confederate flag ever
since the Civil War ended.
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Re: Flag decolonization
DIR By: Zea_mays
Date: January 18, 2022, 12:52 am
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Flag map of Peruvian regions. Note the contrast between the
non-Western designs and the Western heraldry designs. Many
provinces have a mix of both.
HTML https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/s1wecb/flagmap_of_peru_regions/
HTML https://i.redd.it/928u0xryh6b81.png
In particular, contrast these:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Lima
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Cuzco
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Puno
With these:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bandera_de_Arequipa.svg
HTML https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bandera_Regi%C3%B3n_Loreto.png
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Re: Flag decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 11, 2022, 8:12 pm
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Good move (though of course the term "hate" is inaccurate; why
not simply "racism"?):
HTML https://nationalpost.com/opinion/jamie-sarkonak-feds-effectively-declare-red-ensign-a-hate-symbol
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> The guidebook goes on to list the Red Ensign, the official
flag of Canada until 1967 and the one under which we fought
fascists in the Second World War, as a symbol of hate promotion.
> ...
> “Its usage denotes a desire to return to Canada’s demographics
before 1967, when it was predominately white.”
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[img]
HTML https://smartcdn.gprod.postmedia.digital/nationalpost/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/0701-ed-champion.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1128&type=webp[/img]
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Re: Flag decolonization
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: July 15, 2022, 4:39 am
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Another small success:
HTML https://xyz.net.au/2022/07/decolonisation-aboriginal-flag-to-replace-state-flags-on-sydney-harbour-bridge-and-westgate-bridge/
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> The Aboriginal flag — which has been flown on Sydney Harbour
Bridge as part of NAIDOC Week celebrations — will permanently
replace the New South Wales flag.
>
> Last month, the government announced plans to spend $25
million on installing a new, third flagpole and refurbishing the
existing two poles.
>
> However, public backlash about the cost of the project has
prompted NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet to reconsider and,
instead, make the temporary NAIDOC flag arrangement a permanent
one.
--- End Quote ---
Out:
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Flag_of_New_South_Wales.svg/800px-Flag_of_New_South_Wales.svg.png
In:
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Australian_Aboriginal_Flag.svg/800px-Australian_Aboriginal_Flag.svg.png
Decolonization is not complete until every flag with the British
Empire insignia is removed.
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Re: Flag decolonization
DIR By: Zhang Caizhi
Date: July 15, 2022, 8:14 am
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It's surprising that a "republic" in the Commonwealth of
Nations, Fiji, still have the British insignia.
Flag of Fiji
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Fiji:
[img]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Flag_of_Fiji.svg[/img]
Coat of arms of Fiji
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Fiji:
[img]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c7/Coat_of_arms_of_Fiji.svg[/img]
Fiji became a republic from 1987 Fijian coups d'état, but the
coup leader, Sitiveni Rabuka, did not change the flag and the
coat of arms.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1987_Fijian_coups_d%27%C3%A9tat
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sitiveni_Rabuka
Another coup happened in 2006, the coup leader and the current
prime minister, Frank Bainimarama, also have not bother to
change their symbols.
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Fijian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Bainimarama
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