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Re: Medical Decolonization
By: SirGalahad Date: April 2, 2024, 4:52 pm
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@90sRetroFan For people with chronic anxiety or depression, how
do you think that they should deal with their condition? SSRIs
are obviously a western invention, but if it helps someone
self-preserve long enough to aid us in our mission, do you think
it’s adequate for the time being? I’m sure that certain Buddhist
and other ascetic practices can help with depression or anxiety
to a certain extent, but if we’re working under the assumption
that certain people deal with a form of chronic depression or
anxiety that they possess on a biological level and other people
simply do NOT possess, then such practices might not be enough
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Re: Medical Decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 2, 2024, 6:17 pm
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"For people with chronic anxiety or depression, how do you think
that they should deal with their condition? SSRIs are obviously
a western invention"
Radical medical decolonization involves not merely rejecting
Western medical treatments, but more importantly rejecting
Western medical diagnoses. Besides SSRIs being a Western
invention, "chronic anxiety" and "depression" as medical
conditions are also Western abstractions:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_depressive_disorder
[quote]The Ancient Greek physician Hippocrates described a
syndrome of melancholia
(μελαγχολία,
melankholía) as a distinct disease with particular mental and
physical symptoms; he characterized all "fears and
despondencies, if they last a long time" as being symptomatic of
the ailment.[322]
...
It was used in 1665 in English author Richard Baker's Chronicle
to refer to someone having "a great depression of spirit", and
by English author Samuel Johnson in a similar sense in
1753.[325] The term also came into use in physiology and
economics. An early usage referring to a psychiatric symptom was
by French psychiatrist Louis Delasiauve in 1856, and by the
1860s it was appearing in medical dictionaries to refer to a
physiological and metaphorical lowering of emotional
function.[326][/quote]
which are based on the assumption that they are disorders, which
in turn is based on a Western assumption of what "normal" looks
like (basically well-adjusted to life in Western civilization).
Our position, in contrast, is that being anxious and/or
depressed in response to life in Western civilization are valid
responses! In our view, it is if anything those who are
well-adjusted to life in Western civilization who are the
problem.
Consider chickens in a Western egg factory, whose behaviour
surely satisfy the symptomatic conditions for
anxiety/depression. Do you think the best way to help the
chickens is to give them SSRIs or to get them out of the factory
conditions?
Look at the Hippocratic definition again:
[quote]all "fears and despondencies, if they last a long time"
as being symptomatic of the ailment.[/quote]
In a non-Western view, this would simply be:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Du%E1%B8%A5kha
[quote]Duḥkha (/ˈduːkə/)(Sanskrit; Pali:
dukkha), 'unease', "standing unstable," commonly translated as
"suffering", "pain", or "unhappiness", is an important concept
in Buddhism, Jainism and Hinduism. Its meaning depends on the
context, and may refer more specifically to the
"unsatisfactoriness" or "unease" of mundane life
...
Duḥkha is one of the three marks of existence[/quote]
But instead of identifying samsara as the problem, Hippocrates
defines "melancholia" as the problem, in other words blaming the
victim.
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Re: Medical Decolonization
By: SirGalahad Date: April 2, 2024, 7:05 pm
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I do think that SSRIs are vastly over-prescribed, and that many
of the people who have taken or are currently taking SSRIs, are
simply reacting to life under western civilization, and in the
material world more broadly (my sister takes an SSRI for
anxiety, and it wasn’t until she started studying 24/7 in
medical school that she had to have her dosage increased even
higher than what it already was. Go figure). But I also find it
believable that there’s a biological component that makes
certain people more unlucky than others with respect to how much
and how often they feel anxiety or depression, and that such
people would feel that crippling depression and anxiety in ANY
civilization, rather than just western civilization
specifically.
Do you not think that it’s possible for one person in a pair of
qualitatively identical Aryans to feel significantly more
depression or anxiety than the other? Also, some people
experience such intense depression and/or anxiety, that they
can’t otherwise function without SSRIs, and would surely kill
themselves to escape the torture. Ideally, nobody would be born
in the material world, and such an invention wouldn’t be needed.
But in the meantime, isn’t it strategically advantageous to help
keep such people alive, albeit with a western invention, if the
person in question is an Aryanist?
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Re: Medical Decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 2, 2024, 9:20 pm
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An individual should be allowed to take whatever medication they
choose, so long as its development involved no initiated
violence.
Has the development of SSRIs involved initiated violence? Of
course it has!
HTML https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9084057/
HTML https://www.peta.org/blog/antidepressant-drug-company-sage-therapeutics-ends-forced-swim-test/
"isn’t it strategically advantageous to help keep such people
alive, albeit with a western invention, if the person in
question is an Aryanist?"
If someone knows about the forced swim test but nevertheless
remains willing to take SSRIs, they are by definition not an
Aryanist.
"Do you not think that it’s possible for one person in a pair of
qualitatively identical Aryans to feel significantly more
depression or anxiety than the other?"
If they are identical, then logically one would only feel more
depression/anxiety than another if they were placed in different
circumstances. If in identical circumstances one feels more
depression/anxiety than another, theyn logically they cannot be
identical. I'm not sure what you are trying to get at.
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Re: Medical Decolonization
By: Questioning Date: April 5, 2024, 9:44 pm
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As far as i remember the concept of "endogenous depression" was
coined in NS germany, either by Emil Kraepelin or Julius
Hallervorden, i haven't yet found the paper that it was stated
in but if i do i shall add it do
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_eponyms_with_Nazi_associations
It is basically described as a form of depression not influenced
by external factors, trauma, or environment but a persistent one
that has to do with an inborn "error" of brain metabolism or
something of that sort, in line with thinking of this movement i
would concede that any knowledge "we" obtained through immoral
means (animal experiments etc) are to be trashed, instead, if
you want to build up a library of responses you have to certain
medicines the only way to do this is by testing it on yourself,
i know that the irreversible MAOIs are the treatment of choice
for this.
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Re: Medical Decolonization
By: Questioning Date: April 5, 2024, 10:52 pm
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[quote author=Questioning link=topic=2693.msg25765#msg25765
date=1712371444]
As far as i remember the concept of "endogenous depression" was
coined in NS germany, either by Emil Kraepelin or Julius
Hallervorden, i haven't yet found the paper that it was stated
in but if i do i shall add it do
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_medical_eponyms_with_Nazi_associations
It is basically described as a form of depression not influenced
by external factors, trauma, or environment but a persistent one
that has to do with an inborn "error" of brain metabolism or
something of that sort, in line with thinking of this movement i
would concede that any knowledge "we" obtained through immoral
means (animal experiments etc) are to be trashed, instead, if
you want to build up a library of responses you have to certain
medicines the only way to do this is by testing it on yourself,
i know that the irreversible MAOIs are the treatment of choice
for this.
[/quote]
Correction: it was this guy
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Schneider
who went about
coining it as its seperate entity, building on Kraepelin work.
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Re: Medical Decolonization
By: Questioning Date: April 5, 2024, 11:03 pm
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=2693.msg25740#msg25740
date=1712110819]
An individual should be allowed to take whatever medication they
choose, so long as its development involved no initiated
violence.
Has the development of SSRIs involved initiated violence? Of
course it has!
HTML https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9084057/
HTML https://www.peta.org/blog/antidepressant-drug-company-sage-therapeutics-ends-forced-swim-test/
If someone knows about the forced swim test but nevertheless
remains willing to take SSRIs, they are by definition not an
Aryanist.
[/quote]
So what should one do otherwise? Ancient societies have
practiced medicine for as long as they were around, it was only
much later that westerners began building empiric data on those
same medicines and their effects through standardized animal
experiements, are we to discard all of these medicines that have
had the misfortune of being used in such a way too? A medication
by itself doesn't hurt animals, "humans" do, the same way
"humans" use weaponry to hunt
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Re: Medical Decolonization
By: 90sRetroFan Date: April 5, 2024, 11:30 pm
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"So what should one do otherwise?"
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/re-psychological-decolonization/msg2284/#msg2284<br
/>(section on zoopharmacognosy)
"are we to discard all of these medicines that have had the
misfortune of being used in such a way too?"
Yes.
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Re: Medical Decolonization
By: Questioning Date: April 5, 2024, 11:59 pm
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=2693.msg25770#msg25770
date=1712377833]
"So what should one do otherwise?"
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/re-psychological-decolonization/msg2284/#msg2284<br
/>(section on zoopharmacognosy)
"are we to discard all of these medicines that have had the
misfortune of being used in such a way too?"
Yes.
[/quote]
Thanks, but is this not sort of what i proposed too? Discarding
what "we" have learnt about these things by way of crueldom in
favor of our intuition when it comes to self-medicating
disagreeable states? This too would include some modern
pharmaceuticals, of which germany was a pioneer during the
second world war.
Would we too ditch the rocks that were used by cavemen to
barbarically crush open the skulls of animals for hunting
purposes?
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Re: Medical Decolonization
By: Questioning Date: April 6, 2024, 12:18 am
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[quote author=Questioning link=topic=2693.msg25772#msg25772
date=1712379563]
[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=2693.msg25770#msg25770
date=1712377833]
"So what should one do otherwise?"
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/re-psychological-decolonization/msg2284/#msg2284<br
/>(section on zoopharmacognosy)
"are we to discard all of these medicines that have had the
misfortune of being used in such a way too?"
Yes.
[/quote]
Thanks, but is this not sort of what i proposed too? Discarding
what "we" have learnt about these things by way of crueldom in
favor of our intuition when it comes to self-medicating
disagreeable states? This too would include some modern
pharmaceuticals, of which germany was a pioneer during the
second world war.
Would we too ditch the rocks that were used by cavemen to
barbarically crush open the skulls of animals for hunting
purposes?
[/quote]
Add to that, how would you propose to distinguish between
explicitly western medicine/western-inspired one and non-western
one? To leave one without any blame feels superficial when it is
traditional (relative to what exactly?) medical systems in many
non-western countries that gave rise to large amounts of animal
exploitation due to belief that their essences among others
could cure various illnesses, and then i too must ask, how would
you judge the NS german medical industry- Do you view it as
non-western?
Sorry for all these questions, perhaps i am ignorant
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