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Re: Mate choice copying
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 23, 2024, 3:07 pm
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"Culturally, she seems a little bit Westernized"
We already knew this:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/re-mate-choice-copying-2640/msg25541/#msg25541
In what other aspects is she Westernized?
"but I think this is more due to societal influence and can be
undone."
Go for it! Given that veganism is apparently an important part
of her thinking, it should not be difficult to turn her
anti-Western by inviting her to consider which civilization most
increased the scale of violence against animals (including in
ways that no other civilization would have done):
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-sustainable-evil/
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/true-left-vs-right/western-civilization-is-a-health-hazard/
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To be vegan and not anti-Western is ideologically inconsistent.
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 23, 2024, 6:51 pm
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"In what other aspects is she Westernized?"
She wears Western dresses and attends "formals":
HTML https://johnschronicle.org/2019/11/22/im-going-to-a-formal-wait-what-is-a-formal/
I could never imagine myself partaking in such degeneracy tbh.
Also I sense that she is an alcoholic Eurocentrist.
"Go for it! Given that veganism is apparently an important part
of her thinking, it should not be difficult to turn her
anti-Western by inviting her to consider which civilization most
increased the scale of violence against animals (including in
ways that no other civilization would have done):"
As I said earlier, she was born into a Hindu family, and was
vegetarian because of the tradition (not religion, just that's
what she grew up eating. But she said she always felt ethically
superior to meat eaters, so she herself ethically agreed with
vegetarianism). But her upbringing itself seems pretty
deracinated and irreligious. So while she converted to veganism,
she does not realize that the non anthropocentric attitudes
that she exhibits are actually a part of her culture/religion,
which has existed for several millenia. Instead, she is a False
Leftist who thinks that converting non vegans to veganism by
offering them alternatives that taste like meat is a good form
of activism...
And also, she is married. Even if the marriage has not been
consummated, I do not know if it is ethical for me to convince
her to break up her marriage. And even if it was, I don't know
how I would go about doing it.
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 23, 2024, 7:56 pm
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"I could never imagine myself partaking in such degeneracy tbh."
Actually, you should attend formals wearing non-Western formal
clothes and encourage other attending non-Westerners to do the
same:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/dress-decolonization/
"she does not realize that the non anthropocentric attitudes
that she exhibits are actually a part of her culture/religion"
She can be totally ignorant of Hindu culture and still
understand that an alternate world in which Western civilization
never existed would be a world with many orders of magnitude
fewer non-human victims of initiated violence every day.
Your mission is not to persuade her that Hinduism is the most
superior, but to persuade her that Western civilization is the
most inferior.
Anyway, try it first and come back here if she presents
counterarguments which you do not know how to handle.
"I do not know if it is ethical for me to convince her to break
up her marriage."
Are you saying that turning her anti-Western will necessarily
involve breaking up her marriage? If so, why? Is her spouse
strongly pro-Western?
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 23, 2024, 8:17 pm
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""She can be totally ignorant of Hindu culture and still
understand that an alternate world in which Western civilization
never existed would be a world with many orders of magnitude
fewer non-human victims of initiated violence every day.
Your mission is not to persuade her that Hinduism is the most
superior, but to persuade her that Western civilization is the
most inferior."
I agree. Hinduism is by no means perfect (e.g. Karmic fatalism)
but I would appreciate if she embraces some kind of Aryan
religion, as I feel it would increase her spiritual level and
make her a better activist.
"Are you saying that turning her anti-Western will necessarily
involve breaking up her marriage? If so, why? Is her spouse
strongly pro-Western?"
My bad, I was going in with the intention of forming a
relationship with her (and I assumed you were implying the
same). I suppose we can have a non romantic friendly
relationship.
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 23, 2024, 8:50 pm
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"I would appreciate if she embraces some kind of Aryan religion,
as I feel it would increase her spiritual level and make her a
better activist."
Is she presently an explicit atheist or what?
"I was going in with the intention of forming a relationship
with her"
For the record, convincing someone to break up a marriage is
always more ethical than convincing them to have an extramarital
affair.
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 23, 2024, 10:32 pm
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"Is she presently an explicit atheist or what?"
Not sure, just know that she is a progressive.
Also, posting more pics to appreciate her somewhat Aryan
phenotype:
HTML https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C4E22AQE5UotVLtVRoA/feedshare-shrink_800/0/1564788711561?e=2147483647&v=beta&t=VKqXZRZDoaO9tCv9ConJNcW30O8P--OZ2s8B4h46OVQ
(Girl is third from left)
Note high forehead, facial smoothness, skeletal gracility,
ectomorphy, and low sexual dimorphism (younger sister has only
the last three).
"For the record, convincing someone to break up a marriage is
always more ethical than convincing them to have an extramarital
affair."
For all I know, her husband could just as well be a noble a
person as her. I guess it is my fault for being at home and not
attempting to socialize with anyone. As I said earlier, I
developed a somewhat cynical mindset of the world. I am also
somewhat "conservative" from a non Western perspective: I don't
eat alongside non vegetarians while they eat meat, which means I
rarely go to social events, I don't drink, and I also didn't go
to college away from home because I didn't want to live with
meat eaters.
But I have realized that "non Whites" who were born and raised
in the United States, even if they are Westernized, are easier
to socialize with than "Whites" as the former are at least
respectful of such cultural restrictions (as some of them have
other restrictions themselves, such as avoiding beef
(Hindus)/non halal food (Muslims)) even if they did not know
about such restrictions beforehand, unlike the latter.
At the end of the day, everyone (by which I am strictly
referring to "non Whites) is a product of societal influence
(psychological colonization) to a certain extent, so it is wrong
for me to judge people for being too Westernized and write them
off altogether.
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 23, 2024, 11:31 pm
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"she is a progressive"
Ask her how many animals were slaughtered per day in ancient
times as compared to in modern times. Then ask her how she can
claim ancient times were worse.
"Girl is third from left"
No, she is seventh from left.
"Note high forehead, facial smoothness, skeletal gracility,
ectomorphy, and low sexual dimorphism"
She is the most highly evolved in the group by a considerable
margin. (But that is not saying much!) Still, I wonder if she
herself is aware of this. You should bring up the topic with her
sometime.
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 24, 2024, 12:00 am
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"Ask her how many animals were slaughtered per day in ancient
times as compared to in modern times. Then ask her how she can
claim ancient times were worse."
Ok. Still figuring out how to connect with her (Facebook?). And
how do I even start the conversation?
"She is the most highly evolved in the group by a considerable
margin. (But that is not saying much!)"
Just curious, would you say I am more highly evolved than her (I
think I am)?
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 24, 2024, 12:43 am
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"would you say I am more highly evolved than her"
It is debatable. Try to get a photo of you and her together in
the same shot, then I will judge. ;)
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 24, 2024, 4:12 am
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Ok! I want my potential partner to be at least as or more Aryan
than myself, if not facially than at least character wise.
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