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Re: Mate choice copying
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 18, 2024, 1:32 pm
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They see the meat-eaters not giving up meat but think it merely
hasn't happened yet, but will surely happen at some later time.
This is the typical progressive mindset: any imagined
improvement not visibly forthcoming is assumed to be scheduled
indeterminately further in the future. Progressives however do
not make the same assumption with negative changes. If something
bad is not currently happening, they do not assume that it will
surely happen later, but instead assume it will never happen.
This is a fundamental optimistic bias.
To these progressive vegans, the aim is to create a vegan world,
as opposed to (our aim of) trying to minimize the number of
victims of initiated violence. As long as they get a vegan world
eventually, they will consider it a success, whereas we will
only remember the victims that we failed to protect. Also absent
from their minds is the wish to punish the oppressors. In short,
their veganism is not motivated by a sense of justice.
For us, a vegan world is merely the cessation of additional
initiated violence. Then comes the need for accountability for
all the violence initiated prior to the vegan world.
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 18, 2024, 6:22 pm
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"To these progressive vegans, the aim is to create a vegan
world, as opposed to (our aim of) trying to minimize the number
of victims of initiated violence."
But there is an end goal (everyone becomes vegan), and the goal
itself is noble (violence is no longer initiated against
animals), so can we say that they are simply "progressive
Aryanists" (for the lack of a better term)? We could simply show
that the regressive mindset (preventing non vegans from
reproducing) is a more effective way to achieve this end goal.
Again, those who deny this even after being presented with the
facts could be written off as unserious non-Aryans.
"In short, their veganism is not motivated by a sense of
justice."
Well progressives in general are not motivated by a sense of
justice. Hence why they oppose the death penalty....
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 18, 2024, 8:00 pm
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You are mixing everything up. Preventing non-vegans from
reproducing is not necessarily regressive, nor was it even
mentioned in my previous post, which was not about how to
achieve the goal at all, but purely about motivation.
What I am trying to get across is that progressive vegans do not
really care about the victims. If they succeed in creating a
vegan world, they will consider all the violence suffered by the
past victims to have been "worth it". We would never think this.
On the contrary we would only think how unfair it is that the
animals born prior to the vegan world never got to live in the
vegan world. This is the difference I am trying to emphasize.
Please do not bring other points into the discussion until you
understand this part.
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 19, 2024, 12:23 am
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"If they succeed in creating a vegan world, they will consider
all the violence suffered by the past victims to have been
"worth it"."
I think I kind of see what you are saying. Progressives
demonstrate a fundamentally adulterated mindset. This is perhaps
true of the girl as well, which is reflected in her adulterated
face. But I still have a doubt: the goal is the same as ours
(make the world vegan in order to end all initiated violence),
so how can we say the motivation is different? Even if the
progressive considers the deaths "worth it", by turning the
world vegan, have they not prevented an (possibly infinite)
amount of future deaths (sustainable evil), and have guaranteed
the end of all violence against non humans? Is this not simply a
consequentialist view on their part, rather than a lack of
sympathy?
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 19, 2024, 1:30 am
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Also, even though I do not fully understand your point yet, I am
bringing in this link (quora answers) because it was already
requested earlier:
HTML https://www.quora.com/profile/Nimita-Deshpande/answers
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 19, 2024, 5:44 am
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"Even if the progressive considers the deaths "worth it", by
turning the world vegan, have they not prevented an (possibly
infinite) amount of future deaths (sustainable evil), and have
guaranteed the end of all violence against non humans?"
No, because they ignore the cyclic potential: a world that can
be turned from non-vegan to vegan can also be turned again from
vegan to non-vegan. Under this model, a world that alternates
between vegan phases and non-vegan phases has only reduced
initiated violence by a fraction compared with a continuously
non-vegan world.
"I am bringing in this link (quora answers)"
[quote]Plants may be alive, but there is no scientific evidence
that they are sentient or conscious.[/quote]
Non-Aryan blood memory detected. We would never claim plants are
not sentient.
[quote]There is nothing �natural� about the various ways that
the meat, dairy, and egg industries kill animals for our food.
If humans were natural carnivores, we wouldn't require animals
to be massacred for us in gas chambers or slaughterhouses. We
could simply kill them with our bare hands, like wild carnivores
do, and eat them without having their internal organs, blood,
bones, ligaments, tendons, etc. removed for us
beforehand.[/quote]
Terrible argument. The truth is that human carnivores kill
animals for food incomparably more efficiently than any
non-human carnivore can kill their prey. Therefore, if anything,
we should consider human carnivores to be the most natural
carnivores. The meat, dairy and egg industries are eminently
natural developments in that under natural selection they easily
outcompete non-intensive production methods.
[quote]whole-food[/quote]
She brings this up with positive connotations over and over
again. This could also be a subtle indication of non-Aryan blood
memory. If I had to guess, I would say her blood memory is
Paleolithic gatherer.
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 19, 2024, 7:45 pm
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Before I respond, check this out: her sister is also a vegan.
Not the most Aryan looking girl by any means, but way less
cartoonishly subhuman looking:
HTML https://www.facebook.com/share/UYJmEqZR6EaGPXeo/?mibextid=qi2Omg
Judging from her posts, the sister is also not a reproductive
Eurocentrist (not sure about her previous sexual history
though).
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 19, 2024, 8:21 pm
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"Judging from her posts, the sister is also not a reproductive
Eurocentrist"
But when it comes to architecture:
[quote]pastel 'palaces' in prague
� in Prague, Czech Republic.
[img]
HTML https://scontent.fhkg3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/37404768_316936025514074_2705860831345639424_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=ANPah2EB1ioAX96gKO6&_nc_ht=scontent.fhkg3-2.fna&oh=00_AfCGtRjuKbKv4ZisW2SEsERCzZQB9WkGGhsDxXlggxrsUw&oe=6621A18B[/img][/quote]
[quote]is there anything more beautiful than budapest? I think
not.
� in Budapest, Hungary
[img]
HTML https://scontent.fhkg3-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.6435-9/37349360_314563139084696_1007110903960698880_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=5f2048&_nc_ohc=Nc64Om4xdawAX8FnsJU&_nc_ht=scontent.fhkg3-1.fna&oh=00_AfB9MGcnrQ3fPaGo6uA5UtkunzTUdSRT-t2n9FqDvYxUYw&oe=66219CC2[/img][/quote]
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 19, 2024, 8:28 pm
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Touring "Europe" is now a fad/trend among "non-White" college
age wahmen.
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 19, 2024, 8:44 pm
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Ok. Just listened to a YouTube podcast linked from the Facebook
page, and goddamn, physiognomy doesn't lie. It was the older
sister who first converted to veganism, while the younger one
was hesitant. To be fair, the younger one was most likely
already vegetarian, but what's to say that wasn't simply due to
cultural upbringing as well, and that she would have not been so
if raised differently? I have known many vegetarians who I know
for sure were secretly craving meat, even if they had not been
fed it by their fathers. This is because I have seen them eat
things like "fake Turkey" for Thanksgiving dinner. They also had
mothers who themselves had fathers who were meat eaters.
Also, regarding the girl, hope her sister gets divorced or
something ngl. Wish I could have met her beforehand. Not many
girls with such strong convictions these days...
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