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Re: Mate choice copying
DIR By: rp
Date: April 9, 2024, 11:45 am
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Boom!:
HTML https://twitter.com/dharma__vijay/status/1520076983836704768?t=g5iIO7wDcCDTrn55Niww5Q&s=19
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Plants can't feel pain they way animals do because they don't
have a nervous system?
Anyway, the problem with Western ideologies like this is that it
is always centered on a dogma and a binary, structurally same as
Christianity.
In Dharma, it is about minimizing harm.
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Judeo Christianity, not Christianity, btw. Also, violence, not
"harm" (Ahimsa).
Replies:
HTML https://twitter.com/SirJambavan/status/1520077551028346880?t=UDNqh1-8zmDcwsNh0MkVoA&s=19
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Plants can sense .. extreme examples are of course the "touch me
not" plant. Plants exude chemicals when they are attacked by
insects, so that other plants can protect themselves. I can
extend the argument :-)
Point is - veganism is a misplaced fad for all people.
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HTML https://twitter.com/SirJambavan/status/1520416376820805632?t=VAaA7XYD6BBqelPbnmYW6g&s=19
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I agree. Am concerned about sustainability of such
convictions.[b] Small changes / gradual improvements always are
more sustainable. 🙏🏾[/B]
With all respect to those who even cut down meat consumption.
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Exactly. Even the Hindu flexitarian who abstains from meat 3
days a week has more Aryan blood than the Western vegan (such as
Joaquin Phoenix (Jew)), as the former wants to prevent harm to
animals but lacks the will to do so.
Coming back to the older sister, I think she is genuinely
idealistic in that she does view veganism as superior as it
reduces initiated violence. But being Westernized she argues for
it from a False Leftist standpoint (btw, have you had a chance
to watch the videos?). Which explains her partner selection, as
although he is not White and is a vegan, he lacks the insight to
recognize plants as sentient and hence is not as committed to
reducing initiated violence (which her Westernization causes her
to overlook). Or perhaps he has merely imbibed Western ideology
so much (note how the first tweet mentions how dividing plants
and animals based on "central nervous systems" is a Western
concept). Somehow I feel like he can be persuaded to think like
us. Although I would prefer she split up.
There is also the possibility that the older sister herself does
not have Aryan blood memory, but I think her phenotype overrules
this possibility of a False Positive. What do you think?
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Re: Mate choice copying
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 9, 2024, 6:10 pm
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"violence, not "harm""
Initiated violence, not violence. An ideal of minimizing
violence would imply a physically paralyzed former initiator of
violence should not be punished since there is now no risk that
they would initiate further violence. Actually, they still
deserve as much retaliatory violence as possible. Our ideal is
to minimize initiated violence and maximize retaliatory
violence.
"What do you think?"
I think you are just guessing. You need to back up your
speculations either way with precise quotes from your source
material (the video channel).
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Re: Mate choice copying
DIR By: rp
Date: April 9, 2024, 6:33 pm
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Can I post a video and then you reply as to what you think? In
the video about how she went vegan, she said she first
discovered veganism through the health route, and considered
veganism for health reasons but later realized the cruelty of
dairy and said that she went vegan due to the ethical reasons.
And from another video, she said that she was always vegetarian,
and that she felt that she was already avoiding animal cruelty
because of that, and that she would always contrast herself
favorably to her meat eating friends.
I myself did not know about the cruelty of dairy (as I mentioned
earlier I thought cows voluntarily give milk) so I was only
vegetarian, but I started transitioning to veganism after
learning about the truth of dairy. And I also thought I was
avoiding all animal cruelty by abstaining from meat products.
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Re: Mate choice copying
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 9, 2024, 7:06 pm
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OK (you are getting me to do the work again!).
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Re: Mate choice copying
DIR By: rp
Date: April 9, 2024, 7:11 pm
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Ok.
I will try to summarize, and if not sufficient, will post the
video.
In the video about how she went vegan, she said she first
discovered veganism through the health route, and considered
veganism for health reasons but later realized the cruelty of
dairy and said that she went vegan due to the ethical reasons.
And from another video, she said that she was always vegetarian,
and that she felt that she was already avoiding animal cruelty
because of that, and that she would always contrast herself with
her meat eating friends, whom she felt superior to.
I myself did not know about the cruelty of dairy (as I mentioned
earlier I thought cows voluntarily give milk) so I was only
vegetarian, but I started transitioning to veganism after
learning about the truth of dairy. I did not discover veganism
through the health route, but through the Internet which was
helpful in spreading the concept. And I also thought I was
avoiding all animal cruelty by abstaining from meat products.
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Re: Mate choice copying
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 9, 2024, 7:30 pm
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"she first discovered veganism through the health route, and
considered veganism for health reasons"
"she was always vegetarian"
This could suggest that the dairy in her previous vegetarian
diet (which included dairy) was making her unhealthy, which
would imply lactose intolerance?
"I thought cows voluntarily give milk) so I was only vegetarian"
But did you like the taste of dairy products and did you
experience any negative effects from them?
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Re: Mate choice copying
DIR By: rp
Date: April 9, 2024, 7:52 pm
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"But did you like the taste of dairy products and did you
experience any negative effects from them?"
I did not experience any negative effects from dairy. I was
pretty neutral toward the taste of dairy though (specifically
milk, although I liked to add it to my cereal as I thought it
was the best way for it to reduce its crunchiness, not for the
taste of milk itself (I realize now that water can achieve the
same effect). I had more positive opinions toward yogurt, but
this was moreso due to its "cooling" properties and fermented
nature, rather than it's taste (I realize now that there are
many vegan fermented foods, and that there are other ways to
cool down the body such as coconut milk)). So regrettably, I am
probably not lactose intolerant.
Although, I must say, I stopped drinking a glass of milk every
morning when I became a teenager, mainly because I felt it was
unnecessary, but also because I felt some stomach unease, but
this could be due to other reasons as well.
The only real positive taste toward dairy I had would be ice
cream, but I viewed its melted form (milk) as disgusting.
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Re: Mate choice copying
DIR By: rp
Date: April 10, 2024, 6:54 pm
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Normally I am skeptical of (Turanian friendly) dairy
substitutes, but is this an Aryan alternative to yogurt?
HTML https://100newthingstotry.com/homemade-coconut-yogurt-only-2-ingredients/
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Re: Mate choice copying
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 10, 2024, 7:25 pm
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"Aryan alternative to yogurt"
From your link:
--- Quote ---
> any fermented food contains probiotics, so could also do the
trick.
--- End Quote ---
Therefore we have no reason to use non-dairy ingredients to
imitate yogurt, the Turanian fermented food, as we have our own
(non-yogurt) fermented foods.
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Re: Mate choice copying
DIR By: rp
Date: April 10, 2024, 8:27 pm
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I see. But there are "cooling" properties in coconut "milk"
(flesh), but I suppose the two could be consumed separately if
it really comes down to it.
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