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Re: Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 4, 2024, 11:56 pm
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"I have encountered steadfast ethical vegans who think they can
convert their intended sexual partner to veganism via having a
sexual relationship with them...."
I see. The girls post history seems to suggest that she is a
False Leftist who thinks non-vegans should be educated. But even
in this case, although the strategy will most likely not work,
isn't wanting to convert people to veganism an Aryan trait?
Whereas the non-Aryan vegan would be okay with their partner
being non-vegan as they would have evolved to select men who
hunted.
"They are already vegan, so by the above logic she doesn't need
to convert them! In her own mind she could imagine she is doing
what is optimal for the vegan cause!"
Again, doesn't this suggest some element of brainwashing on
their part, rather than low blood quality? This makes me feel
incredibly heartbroken if true. In contrast, the fake vegans who
have sexual relationship with meat eaters almost instantly
illicit a reaction of disgust from me (mainly after learning
that they themselves ate meat. And as usual these subhumans have
the typical short faced robust subhuman phenotype that you would
imagine).
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Re: Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 5, 2024, 12:02 am
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"OK, but I still want to have some idea of what "mid" looks like
in your mind. Use a celebrity example if you want."
I would just post pictures of the girl but I don't want to dox
her. Can I send you a PM?
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Re: Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 5, 2024, 12:14 am
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"Yes. But to be fair, many of these passionate vegans lose that
burning flame over time, through sheer exhaustion and
loneliness. Basically 1% of the population is vegan, so a lot of
people either get tired of hating practically everybody all the
time, or the loneliness resulting from excluding basically
everyone as a friend or romantic partner is what gets to them
(although loneliness itself can be problematic, since
non-romantic vacancy filling is also a thing). As time passes,
expecting less of people and accepting certain comfortable lies
about non-vegans and society as a whole, feels more and more
appealing"
The girl mentioned this in her post, that one should "engage"
with non-vegans in order to not lose friendships with them. This
could merely be a symptom of loneliness and not non Aryan blood
in and of itself. It is incredibly difficult to live alone, as I
have learned over the past few months (I used to live with my
parents). It also feels incredibly weird and difficult going out
to eat. Although, I must mention people from non-Western
countries are incredibly understanding of your dietary
restrictions than those from Western countries. For example, I
had "White" coworkers joke about animals being killed and not
feeling guilty during an office event where we were served vegan
snacks. In contrast, an Indian coworker would ask if it was okay
if he were to eat meat at my table (as it is common practice to
ask before doing so in India).
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Re: Re: Mate choice copying
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 5, 2024, 12:42 am
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"Can I send you a PM?"
OK.
"It also feels incredibly weird and difficult going out to eat."
Why not do your own cooking?
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Re: Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 5, 2024, 1:01 am
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"Why not do your own cooking?"
True. It is also cheaper. But it takes more time tbh. Also I
admit I am a bit lazy on the weekends, perhaps because I get
tired after working 40 hours throughout the week.
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 5, 2024, 6:15 am
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@90sRetroFan I sent you the PM
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 9, 2024, 2:49 pm
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So I have talked to the girl. She didn't seem to turn me away
and was very sociable. She also mentioned how she like me was a
vegetarian transitioning into a vegan. But after that, we didn't
get to talk again due to work. However, we did go to a bar and
she didn't seem to mind "Whites" hitting on her (complimenting
her looks, tbh I think she herself seeks validation from
"Whites" as she has dyed her hair) as she was drunk although I
don't know for sure whether she would have banged them. She
didn't seem very hostile toward me either, but afterwards when I
mentioned that I wanted to take her out last week, the
interaction was very awkward (to be fair I was drunk). I don't
know if she is simply not interested in me or probably senses
that I am not fully committed. The latter part is definitely
true: we have some cultural differences (for example I am a
non-drinker (yesterday was my first time) and also do not
usually eat out at restaurants where they serve non-veg and veg
food together. These differences are making me hesitant to fully
open my heart out to her, but another part of me feels that
these two differences are not ethical differences and hence can
be ignored. However, there is a case to be made that these
differences in fact stem from actual ethical differences and not
some arbitrary "purity". For example, the vegan who eats at a
restaurant that also serves meat would surely not mind meat
"accidentally" being substituted for the vegan ingredients.
Similarly, the alcoholic vegan would not mind having drunk sex
with the non vegan as much as the teetotaler vegan. There is
also the issue of socializing so freely with other (mostly non
vegan) men but I think it is hypocritical for me to criticize
her from this perspective as I have done the same when work
requires it. What do you think from the Aryanist perspective?
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 9, 2024, 5:21 pm
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""Whites" hitting on her (complimenting her looks"
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Have you told her about Western face shape preferences yet?
"tbh I think she herself seeks validation from "Whites" as she
has dyed her hair"
Have you brought up decolonization with her yet?
"part of me feels that these two differences are not ethical
differences and hence can be ignored. However, there is a case
to be made that these differences in fact stem from actual
ethical differences and not some arbitrary "purity".
Instead of guessing, why not ask her directly about it?
"the vegan who eats at a restaurant that also serves meat would
surely not mind meat "accidentally" being substituted for the
vegan ingredients."
I myself eat at restaurants that also serve meat. By the same
token, vegan ingredients could be substituted for meat, so the
total quantity of violence initiated is not necessarily
increased. (If anything, since vegan ingredients are generally
cheaper, if would be more profitable for the restaurant to
substitute vegan ingredients for meat than the other way round.)
"the alcoholic vegan would not mind having drunk sex with the
non vegan as much as the teetotaler vegan"
But what if the teetotaler vegan has sober sex with the
non-vegan? Is that better or worse?
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 9, 2024, 6:23 pm
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"Have you told her about Western face shape preferences yet?"
Not face shape. They were commenting on her hair curls.
"But what if the teetotaler vegan has sober sex with the
non-vegan? Is that better or worse?"
I was thinking that the teetotaler vegan would not have sex with
the non-vegan to begin with...
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Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 9, 2024, 6:47 pm
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"I myself eat at restaurants that also serve meat. By the same
token, vegan ingredients could be substituted for meat, so the
total quantity of violence initiated is not necessarily
increased. (If anything, since vegan ingredients are generally
cheaper, if would be more profitable for the restaurant to
substitute vegan ingredients for meat than the other way
round.)"
This is a good point. But people like me (who have never eaten
meat) feel a certain disgust at such restaurants (particularly
with non vegans eating their meat next to me. Although to be
fair, one of our co-diners was a Muslim who said we inspired him
to skip meat for the day (since he avoids non-halal chicken
anyway), to which the girl replied that that is her goal.
I also mentioned in the other thread how aversion to the smell
of meat is genetic. Even if one eats as such restaurants, if one
lacks such sufficient disgust toward meat smell, I am of the
opinion that they would have eaten meat when they were small
(i.e. they were fed it by their non vegan fathers) and did not
regret it at the time, and hence would not regret doing it again
(for example when they are drunk). The girl herself commented on
how a fish dish looked like a granola bar, although to be fair I
didn't see her try it at all.
"Have you brought up decolonization with her yet?" This is a
good point. Unlike me, she does not have strict parents
(although to be fair, mine aren't strict either, just
conservative). Also, unlike me she has lived by herself since
college (while I lived at home with my parents) and went to high
school in the United States ( while I went to high school in
India), so she must have been subjected to a lot of peer
pressure. There is also the fact that women in general are
judged more for their appearance than men: not just in a sexual
way but in "professional" environments as well. Returning to
this point, how would I bring this up to her? "You looked great
with Black hair, why did you dye it?" I feel like commenting on
looks will send a message of romantic interest, which I don't
want to give across just yet.
"Instead of guessing, why not ask her directly about it?"
She lives in another state, so I would have to go visit her. But
I do have her number. Even if so, how would I ask her? "Have you
had/Would you have sex with a meat eater?" ( My main concern
about her drinking when going out. Although if there are other
things that an Aryanist should be worried about when dating a
drinker you are welcome to list them here. My concern was
familial compatibility but I suppose as a romantic we are not
supposed to care about this point). And how do you know she is
telling the truth? "Have you ever eaten meat before and liked it
(and would you be okay with eating it again.)" (My main concern
about her eating next to non-vegans (who order meat)) Again, how
do you know if she is telling the truth? I noticed how bold she
seemed to be in asking me my reason for being vegan, yet I did
not have the courage to do the same.
There is also the option of telling her my own reasons for
avoiding alcohol (partly religious). But I don't want to be
judged, although to be fair, I do not think she herself would
judge as I am sure she as a vegan and has been judged by others
herself (although there is also the possibility she is okay with
being judged by a non-vegan if the person is a sexual partner).
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