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Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 4, 2024, 7:47 pm
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It boggles my mind how vegan women can socialize and even
attempt to flirt with non-vegan men. Mate choice copying
certainly plays a role IMO, but what about non-Aryan blood
memory? For example, I witnessed a non-White vegan girl ask for
the number of a "White" guy (and we know "Whites" are almost
certainly non-vegan). However, this same girl didn't socialize
so openly with "non White" men, including myself (perhaps
because they were non-vegan and she didn't know I was vegan
either, but at least she could have asked?) and seemed rather
shy and introverted. But then again, I will admit, this "White"
guy seemed different than most other "Whites" and even "non
Whites", and was much less chauvinist/masculine, and seemed to
engage the girl much more empathetically than any one else
(including myself, as I have social anxiety talking to girls).
So perhaps she is a mate choice copying Eurocentrist who is
ignoring the Aryan blood of her partner, and is not aware of her
Aryan blood memory enough to realize that "non Whites" are the
better choice for vegans (girl has also died her black hair a
bit brown btw, as is common with Indian girls nowadays).
This illustrates how rather shallow and unromantic women who
practice mate choice copying are, even those that may have Aryan
blood memory. In contrast, as you mentioned earlier, male mate
choice copying often results in unconditional devotion for
female celebrities. For example, if I see an Aryan leaning
celebrity, who is also vegan, I see many Aryan men express an
unconditional devotional feeling, and have seen them say they
will do anything to enjoy romantic companionship with that
person (without any explicit sexual comments about expecting sex
from that person).
The reason I bring this up is because I felt kind of attracted
to that girl, but am too nervous to talk to her. I became
attracted to her after learning she was a vegan and from the
same kind of family background/upbringing (religion/caste), have
similar life experiences (moving back and forth between
countries),and similar personalities (introverted). Facially she
is only somewhat Aryan, but skeletally she is (gracile) and also
an ectomorph. I don't know if the feeling is one of genuine
romantic attraction or mere vacancy filling, as I don't see any
reciprocation (perhaps this is because of my unwillingness to
talk to her). However, I can't seem to "move on" either, as I
feel this also a other vacancy filling mindset ("plenty of fish
in the sea") and her ethical veganism/personality is something
that has caused her to occupy my mind for days.
IMO, if I learn that she is actually sexually attracted to
"White" men, that would cause my attraction to drop
significantly. But if it is a case of mate choice copying, then
that is a different story. I don't know if this is the place to
solicit love advice, but am looking forward to hearing your
thoughts on whether I should try and socialize with her, and
whether my social anxiety is warranted or is something I should
overcome. I feel my social anxiety also serves as barrier to
prevent me from potentially interacting with non-Aryans.
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Re: Re: Mate choice copying
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 4, 2024, 8:51 pm
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"I have social anxiety talking to girls"
Why?
"if it is a case of mate choice copying"
So are you saying this vegan girl only started flirting with the
"white" guy after she saw other girls flirting with him?
"whether my social anxiety is warranted or is something I should
overcome. I feel my social anxiety also serves as barrier to
prevent me from potentially interacting with non-Aryans."
So are you saying you would have more social anxiety talking to
a non-vegan girl than to a vegan girl, for example?
In any case, "overcoming" is more of a progressive/Nietzschean
attitude, which often involves desensitization. I would rather
you remember and restore an earlier version of yourself from
before you started having social anxiety talking to girls.
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Re: Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 4, 2024, 9:55 pm
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"Why?"
I always feel that I will end up embarrassing myself or come
across as too "creepy" (interested in sex), or sexist. Mixed
gender interactions are not the norm post puberty in non-Western
cultures as I am sure you are aware. This is perhaps why the
girl also appeared very introverted, although to be fair, she
did fare better than me in terms of conversational skills.
However I have not interacted with her since after our first
conversation. I was hoping she would try to interact with me,
but she has also not. I don't see why it is guys that should
always take the initiative in conversation (an implicitly
patriarchal expectation). Even she doesn't seem to believe in
this nonsense as I mentioned she casually asked for the "White"
guy's number (although to be fair, they had been conversing for
much longer periods of time prior than myself and her.). Also,
she stopped talking to the guy after she learned that he was in
a relationship.
"So are you saying this vegan girl only started flirting with
the "white" guy after she saw other girls flirting with him?"
No. What I am saying is that perhaps she has bought into the
mainstream narrative (from her "non-White" Eurocentrist friends)
that "White" guys are less patriarchal than "non-White" guys. I
mentioned that the "White" guy was less masculine and seemed to
respectfully engage her, in contrast to even many "non-White"
men who adopt a kind of sexist attitude that looks at the women
they are engaging with as inferior and not as an equal peer. We
have discussed this before ("non-White" women believing only
"non-White" men are patriarchal. Surely you would agree that
this attitude is not all genetic and can be influenced by
societal factors) .
"In any case, "overcoming" is more of a progressive/Nietzschean
attitude, which often involves desensitization. I would rather
you remember and restore an earlier version of yourself from
before you started having social anxiety talking to girls."
I think it involves looking at women as equal peers. It helps
that I am not that tall (however still taller than her as she is
rather short). It doesn't help that I have a rather deep voice
(although I can make it not so deep if I so choose). Previously,
I had an apprehension that this would cause me to be viewed as
weak, but now I realize that if she really does view me that
way, that perhaps she is not worth my time as she prefers high
sexual dimorphism. Although judging from her appearance and
demeanor I don't think she is the type that does (gracile,
ectomorph, small breasts, introvert). The only downside is a
rather short face. I think I need to gain the confidence to be
my original, low sexual dimorphism self without caring what
others think, but also not overconfident so as to come off as
arrogant. I think puberty and an increased sex drive is what has
created this conundrum on my end.
As I said earlier, if this was a case of vacancy filling, my
mind wouldn't be occupied with her day and night. Even though
she is "mid", I feel that rejecting her outright without knowing
her true personality in favor of "better girls" (lookswise) is
also a disservice and is the actual vacancy filling.
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Re: Re: Mate choice copying
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 4, 2024, 10:52 pm
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"I always feel that I will end up embarrassing myself or come
across as too "creepy" (interested in sex)"
"increased sex drive is what has created this conundrum on my
end."
So you are actually interested in sex but want to hide it? I
suggest being honest about it instead.
"(gracile, ectomorph, small breasts, introvert). The only
downside is a rather short face."
At least our physiognomic model continues to hold up! Her body
is well-suited to a vegan diet but her face predicts her
Eurocentrism.
"Even though she is "mid""
Can you post pictures of examples of what you consider to be
"mid"?
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Re: Re: Mate choice copying
By: SirGalahad Date: March 4, 2024, 11:23 pm
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@rp For the man in question, if all you’re going off of is that
he’s white-passing, then I wouldn’t immediately write him off as
non-vegan. It’s all part of treating people as individuals, even
if people very often disappoint
Also, if you feel greater social anxiety towards women than men,
then I would personally chalk that up to vacancy filling. The
source of the anxiety seems to at least in part be from treating
women in general as potential partners.
I can also relate to the social anxiety, although my social
anxiety has always affected my interactions with all types of
people. I’ve had some sort of social anxiety for as long as I
can remember. But a weird combination of factors has actually
destroyed most of my preexisting social anxiety. Buddhism taught
me a bit on coping with fear and the ego, the standards of
Aryanism have taught me that many people are way too
disappointing for me to be putting them on such a pedestal that
I fumble interactions with them out of anxiety, and my declining
mental health due to personal circumstances and the general
state of the world have also played a part. You kind of stop
caring about every tiny insignificant intricacy of human
interaction and what they all mean for your future interactions
with that person, when the world starts to feel like a joke and
you’re just struggling to get by
Also, when you take our anti-vacancy-filling stance to heart,
it’s actually really liberating. I really don’t plan on getting
into a relationship, unless I know for certain that it’s instant
magic right from the start, and that this is a person that I
want to spend EVERY lifetime with
If it seems like the girl is already interested in someone else,
and you find that getting to know this person is a struggle,
then I personally would let it go. If I’m meant to be with
someone, then I feel like I’ll just know with 1000% certainty,
and we’ll naturally be drawn to each other. Her being vegan and
sharing your religion really isn’t much to go off of anyways
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Re: Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 4, 2024, 11:25 pm
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"So you are actually interested in sex but want to hide it? I
suggest being honest about it instead."
Ok.
"At least our physiognomic model continues to hold up! Her body
is well-suited to a vegan diet but her face predicts her
Eurocentrism."
That's what I thought, but I still find it hard to believe that.
This might suggest that she has an Aryan personality but
non-Aryan face (which we discussed is also possible). For
example, I have known other girls with similar face/body types.
But they were also steadfast meat eaters and only became vegan
later for health/trendy reasons (ethicality was merely an
afterthought). In contrast, i have seen this girls post history
on a website and it seems like she was an advocate for ethical
veganism from her early teen years (she even stated there that
she would like a world where everyone was vegan) Also, her
caste surname suggests that she was already a vegetarian prior.
Also, how can a steadfast ethical vegan have a sexual
relationship with a meat eater? Does this not show a lack of
commitment to veganism on their part? And what about those vegan
men who were attracted to her before? Should they feel sad for
having their romantic hopes crushed? Was it not the girl's
veganism that attracted the men to them? Or should they simply
"move on", as it illustrates the girl's lack of commitment to
ethical veganism.
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Re: Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 4, 2024, 11:31 pm
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"Can you post pictures of examples of what you consider to be
"mid"?"
Tbh this girl is below mid. Face is not that great. Think of a
short face but not too robust.
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Re: Re: Mate choice copying
By: rp Date: March 4, 2024, 11:36 pm
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"For the man in question, if all you’re going off of is that
he’s white-passing, then I wouldn’t immediately write him off as
non-vegan. It’s all part of treating people as individuals, even
if people very often disappoint"
I agree. His demeanor was much different than other "White" men.
"Also, if you feel greater social anxiety towards women than
men, then I would personally chalk that up to vacancy filling.
The source of the anxiety seems to at least in part be from
treating women in general as potential partners."
This might be the case. However I also feel anxiety toward men.
But exceptions are men who are my friends.
"Her being vegan and sharing your religion really isn’t much to
go off of anyways"
This is true. People are born into a religion. Doesn't mean they
take all those principles to heart. As for her veganism, I just
found it incredibly inspiring that someone could become vegan at
such an early age. But perhaps there was the vacancy filling
mindset of "Oh here's this girl who's vegan. That's incredibly
rare to find and I have to "lock her down"" before someone else
does"
I agree that getting rid of the vacancy filling mindset is
extremely liberating. It is essentially an IDGAF attitude.
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Re: Re: Mate choice copying
By: SirGalahad Date: March 4, 2024, 11:43 pm
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To add to my prior comment, this will almost certainly lead me
to spend the rest of my life “alone”, but again, that’s why it
feels so freeing to me. If you don’t care about “securing a
partner” anymore, then you can’t be disappointed if you remain
single. Good friendships can potentially be as meaningful
anyways
“Also, how can a steadfast ethical vegan have a sexual
relationship with a meat eater? Does this not show a lack of
commitment to veganism on their part?”
Yes. But to be fair, many of these passionate vegans lose that
burning flame over time, through sheer exhaustion and
loneliness. Basically 1% of the population is vegan, so a lot of
people either get tired of hating practically everybody all the
time, or the loneliness resulting from excluding basically
everyone as a friend or romantic partner is what gets to them
(although loneliness itself can be problematic, since
non-romantic vacancy filling is also a thing). As time passes,
expecting less of people and accepting certain comfortable lies
about non-vegans and society as a whole, feels more and more
appealing
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Re: Re: Mate choice copying
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 4, 2024, 11:46 pm
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"how can a steadfast ethical vegan have a sexual relationship
with a meat eater? Does this not show a lack of commitment to
veganism on their part?"
I have encountered steadfast ethical vegans who think they can
convert their intended sexual partner to veganism via having a
sexual relationship with them.....
"And what about those vegan men who were attracted to her
before?"
They are already vegan, so by the above logic she doesn't need
to convert them! In her own mind she could imagine she is doing
what is optimal for the vegan cause!
"Tbh this girl is below mid."
OK, but I still want to have some idea of what "mid" looks like
in your mind. Use a celebrity example if you want.
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