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Karaite Jews
By: guest122 Date: March 4, 2024, 9:19 am
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I came across this Article. Did you guys know that Karaite Jews
were protected by the German state ?
HTML https://operationdisclosure1.blogspot.com/2020/11/karaite-jewish-citizen-rights-protected.html?m=1
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Re: Karaite Jews
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 4, 2024, 4:30 pm
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From your link:
[quote][The] verdict on the fate of the Crimean Karaites was
delivered by Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmler in person in which
he not only exempted them from persecution but offered to induct
their men into the SS so that they and their families could be
transferred to Germany and Austria which they were. No civilians
of the occupied territories during the German retreat could be
evacuated unless the head of the family was part of the SS. This
attests to the enormous importance attached to the Karaite issue
in Nazi Germany, way beyond proportion of the group’s numerical
strength. Kiril Feferman, 20111382"[/quote]
Himmlerism =/= National Socialism.
[quote]The Germans exempted the Karaites who observed only the
Old Testament against the Talmud.[/quote]
Hitler was explicitly opposed to the Old Testament, as
extensively documented:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
[quote]In a speech in the early years of his rule, Hitler
declared himself "not a Catholic, but a German
Christian".[11][12][13][14][15] The German Christians were a
Protestant group that supported Nazi Ideology.[16] Hitler and
the Nazi Party also promoted "nondenominational"[17] positive
Christianity,[18] a movement which rejected most traditional
Christian doctrines such as the divinity of Jesus, as well as
Jewish elements such as the Old Testament.[19][20]
...
Hitler backed the formal establishment of the "German
Christians" in 1932.[146] It was nationalistic and anti-Semitic
and some of its radicals called for repudiation of the Old
Testament (the Hebrew Scriptures) and the Pauline epistles of
the New Testament – because of their Jewish
authorship.[147][/quote]
In any case, if we were in power, we would treat Karaite Jews
like any other Jews. Those who wish to follow Himmler on this we
will identify as enemies.
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Re: Karaite Jews
By: guest122 Date: March 5, 2024, 6:50 pm
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=2638.msg25314#msg25314
date=1709591444]
From your link:
[quote][The] verdict on the fate of the Crimean Karaites was
delivered by Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmler in person in which
he not only exempted them from persecution but offered to induct
their men into the SS so that they and their families could be
transferred to Germany and Austria which they were. No civilians
of the occupied territories during the German retreat could be
evacuated unless the head of the family was part of the SS. This
attests to the enormous importance attached to the Karaite issue
in Nazi Germany, way beyond proportion of the group’s numerical
strength. Kiril Feferman, 20111382"[/quote]
Himmlerism =/= National Socialism.
[quote]The Germans exempted the Karaites who observed only the
Old Testament against the Talmud.[/quote]
Hitler was explicitly opposed to the Old Testament, as
extensively documented:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
[quote]In a speech in the early years of his rule, Hitler
declared himself "not a Catholic, but a German
Christian".[11][12][13][14][15] The German Christians were a
Protestant group that supported Nazi Ideology.[16] Hitler and
the Nazi Party also promoted "nondenominational"[17] positive
Christianity,[18] a movement which rejected most traditional
Christian doctrines such as the divinity of Jesus, as well as
Jewish elements such as the Old Testament.[19][20]
...
Hitler backed the formal establishment of the "German
Christians" in 1932.[146] It was nationalistic and anti-Semitic
and some of its radicals called for repudiation of the Old
Testament (the Hebrew Scriptures) and the Pauline epistles of
the New Testament – because of their Jewish
authorship.[147][/quote]
In any case, if we were in power, we would treat Karaite Jews
like any other Jews. Those who wish to follow Himmler on this we
will identify as enemies.
[/quote]
In Israel Karaite Jews are forbidden to marry other Jews unless
they take oral laws into practice and other Jews call them Nazis
and also I have read this article
->
HTML https://peshat.com/index.php?itemid=5
and it seems like
Karaite Jews are the only Jews who are not trying to hide the
fact about Jews and Communism
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Re: Karaite Jews
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 5, 2024, 7:31 pm
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HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karaite_Judaism
[quote]most of Egypt's Karaite Jews settled in Israel.[41]
...
Moshe Marzouk, one of the Egyptian Jews executed in 1954 for
planting bombs in Cairo in the service of Israeli Military
Intelligence (the Lavon Affair) was a Karaite. Marzouk was
considered a hero in Israel; however, his Karaite identity was
downplayed in newspapers, which usually just described him as an
Egyptian Jew. However, in 2001, the Israeli government, through
the Israel Postal Authority, issued a special memorial sheet
honoring him and many other Karaite Jews that gave their lives
for Israel.
In Israel, the Karaite Jewish leadership is directed by a group
called Universal Karaite Judaism.[/quote]
[quote]Karaites maintain that in the absence of a Temple,
ordinary washing with flowing waters (described in the Torah as
"living"—flowing—water) should be substituted for purification
with water that includes ashes obtained through the red heifer
burning ritual. Karaites believe that this was the practice
before the Tabernacle was built in the Sinai Peninsula following
the Exodus.[44][45] [/quote]
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_heifer
[quote]The red heifer (Hebrew:
פָּרָה
אֲדֻמָּה,
romanized: pārā adummā), a female bovine which
has never been pregnant or milked or yoked, also known as the
red cow, was a cow brought to the priests as a sacrifice
according to the Torah, and its ashes were used for the ritual
purification of corpse uncleanness, that is, an Israelite who
had come into contact with a human corpse, human bone, or
grave.[1][/quote]
We need a Karaite burning ritual.
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Re: Karaite Jews
By: Junito18 Date: December 11, 2024, 9:08 pm
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[quote]
We need a Karaite burning ritual.
[/quote]
Then JAM should be the first one you burn, since that's what he
identifies as now. Then you should burn yourself because if
you'd had your way he'd be the king of America now and perhaps
Karaite Judaism would be America's official religion.
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Re: Karaite Jews
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 11, 2024, 10:10 pm
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I have already declared present-day JAM as our enemy here:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/re-psychological-decolonization-323/msg28156/#msg28156
The version of JAM I worked with had nothing good to say about
the Old Testament, but on the contrary labelled himself a
Gnostic Christian. In any case, neither the OWNP platform nor
the Monarchist Party platform ever advocated any one "official
religion" for America, but did declare that all followers of
Judaism (without any mention of exception for Karaites) would be
recognized as members of a secret society and hence lose
American citizenship. Therefore your accusation that I have ever
promoted Karaitism via working with JAM is unfounded.
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Re: Karaite Jews
By: Junito18 Date: December 12, 2024, 6:52 pm
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[quote]I have already declared present-day JAM as our enemy
here:[/quote]
It's quite interesting that the only reason you cite for him
being an enemy is that he hates your precious Muslims. No-one
here said anything about him becoming a Jew.
I'm actually not surprised that JAM converted to Judaism. When
he was promoting his Satanism nonsense (which was at the time he
was also promoting his Monarchist Party) he made posts about how
various fruits resembling body parts that they were good for
(e.g. a walnut resembling a brain and being good for the brain)
proved the existence of a creator god. And then he would go on
about how Satan is the true creator god and not the god that
Jews worship. He clearly just wanted Judaism without the Jews.
[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=2638.msg28932#msg28932
date=1733976624]
The version of JAM I worked with had nothing good to say about
the Old Testament, but on the contrary labelled himself a
Gnostic Christian.
[/quote]
JAM did not consider himself a Gnostic Christian. If he ever
claimed to be one, it was insincere. I suggested to him that
Paul had corrupted Christianity and Gnostic Christianity was the
true version of Christianity, and he told me that Gnostic
Christians should be put on spikes. Well, now he is a messianic
Karaite Jew who agrees that Paul corrupted Christianity, so
maybe he should put himself on a spike. Or maybe he should put
himself on a spike because he believes that Jews should fight
against evil and he used to be one of the people who wanted to
kill the Jews. You know, I actually have no issue with JAM
constantly changing his views. Changing your views is fine
because that's part of learning. But I think it's wrong to
declare, while your views are still evolving, that you are so
confident in your views that you're prepared to kill people with
differing views, and then changing them. By doing that, he has
lost all credibility. If he had became king of America, it
wouldn't really have been acceptable to say 'Well, I killed all
those people, but actually I realise I was wrong to do that now.
My bad.' Having said that, some of his views have remained
constant over the years, and from them we can see what the
issues that really matter to him are: veganism (well, I can't
fault him there), misogyny, having a harem of teenage girls to
'suck his dick', and absolute monarchy (although now the monarch
would be Jewish).
[quote]Therefore your accusation that I have ever promoted
Karaitism via working with JAM is unfounded.[/quote]
But you did think that he could be trusted enough to be given
absolute power. I really don't know why you would ever have
thought that. From a cursory glance at his current website, it's
obvious that he has nothing valuable to say. Considering that he
has an article on his site listing all the extremely outlandish
conspiracy theories he believes in, it's comical that he now
believes that Jews did 911, but it was partially justified as an
excuse to attack Muslim countries, thereby missing the blatantly
obvious point that the USA attacked relatively secular countries
such as Iraq and Libya while retaining good relationships with
Saudi Arabia, which is the one of the most fundamentalist of
them all. He made a documentary about how 911 was done by Jews
but can't see the most blatantly obvious hole in Bush's rhetoric
that they were going to war to 'defend freedom'. It somewhat
reminds me of how you missed the opportunity to point out that
there are many good Muslims by pointing out that Assad's troops
were Muslims and yet were fighting against ISIS, choosing to
support ISIS instead.
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Re: Karaite Jews
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 12, 2024, 8:15 pm
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"But you did think that he could be trusted enough to be given
absolute power."
Had he achieved power on his OWNP or Monarchist Party platform,
do you really think he would still have converted to Karaitism
subsequently? I doubt it.
"choosing to support ISIS instead"
I have never supported ISIS. The whole time I have been pointing
out how ISIS never targets Israel. I have also highlighted
Hezbollah's hostility to ISIS.
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Re: Karaite Jews
By: Junito18 Date: December 13, 2024, 7:17 pm
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[quote author=90sRetroFan link=topic=2638.msg28941#msg28941
date=1734056133]
Had he achieved power on his OWNP or Monarchist Party platform,
do you really think he would still have converted to Karaitism
subsequently? I doubt it.
[/quote]
I knew there would be a reason why you were right all along
after all. It's just like how JAM is now a Jew but somehow still
condones anti-Semitism and therefore hasn't really changed his
views, or how delenda and Oregoncoug said the world was going to
end in 2012 but then it didn't but actually it did in some 3000
IQ metaphysical sense that only they understand.
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Re: Karaite Jews
By: rp Date: December 15, 2024, 8:52 am
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For reference:
HTML https://johnalanmartinson.com/the-twelve-principles-of-the-messianic-karaites/
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