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Re: Yandi vs Huangdi myth confirmed
By: 90sRetroFan Date: December 4, 2023, 6:56 pm
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Does this look "delicate" to you?
[img]
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And Ma is hardly "introverted" either:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ma
[quote]He became interested in English as a young boy and began
practicing with English speakers in the Hangzhou International
Hotel.
...
For nine years, Ma rode 27 km (17 miles) on his bicycle every
day to work as a tour guide of Hangzhou for foreigners in order
to practice his English. He became pen pals with one of those
foreigners, who nicknamed him "Jack" because he found it hard to
pronounce his Chinese name.[17]
...
In 1980, while he was riding his bike to practice English with
tourists, he met Ken Morley, who was traveling with his family
with the Australia-China Friendship Society.[18] Ken's son,
David, became pen pals with Ma and kept in touch after the
family left China. Years later, the Morleys hosted Ma in
Australia, changing the course of his life completely.[/quote]
"Promoting southern Chinese (and even Vietnamese) culture would
also be a good way to improve Sino-Indian relations."
I agree. Just don't use the above meme to do it! (Even more
absurdly, the supposedly "rugged" skull is drawn to be less
robust than the supposedly "delicate".....)
Your old example (Ip Man vs Jin Shanzhao from the Ip Man movie)
was better:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/questions-debates/chinese-question/msg12863/#msg12863
Yen in real-life is from Guangdong, whereas Fan in real-life is
from Shandong.
Heck, let's look at the real-life Ip (also from Guangdong):
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HTML https://i.pinimg.com/736x/7f/9a/d3/7f9ad30588b6a9c738f11519b6f74651.jpg
This is what we want people visualizing as the archetypical Yue
skeleton.
See also:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/human-evolution/aryan-bones/
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Re: Yandi vs Huangdi myth confirmed
By: rp Date: December 4, 2023, 8:59 pm
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"I agree. Just don't use the above meme to do it! (Even more
absurdly, the supposedly "rugged" skull is drawn to be less
robust than the supposedly "delicate".....)"
Yeah, I disagreed with the Jack Ma reference but brushed it
aside due to the other good points in the meme. However, I
realize now that the drawings themselves are inaccurate.
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Re: Yandi vs Huangdi myth confirmed
By: 90sRetroFan Date: June 6, 2024, 1:45 am
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HTML https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/16ao5rt/obesity_rates_in_china_by_province_men_above/
[quote]Can confirm, don't know why. People in the north tend to
be bulkier and put on more weight. [/quote]
[quote]Maybe it's because of Mongol blood in them?[/quote]
[quote]The amount of meat people eat goes up as you go north. In
the Guangdong, when you eat at home meat is almost like a
condiment. Then when you go up to Shanghai, you get pieces of
meat in sweet sauce, then you go up to Beijing and eating kebabs
is a huge thing, PLUS they have a big drinking culture, then you
go up to Harbin, and it's super cold and there's a big Russian
influence, so the food (while fantastic!) can be very
heavy.[/quote]
[quote]Today, you could eat heavy food in the south thanks to
air conditioning, but south China has been settled for thousands
of years, thus the cuisine adapted to the thousands of years
without air conditioning in the hot, humid climate, thus light
foods, which is still often the case in rural China.[/quote]
[quote]For most of human history, the only way you were eating
meat on a DAILY basis, was you were physically hunting down wild
animals. Either that, or Mongol-style nomads, relying mostly on
meat but you herded enough cattle to feed yourself regularly.
For the average subsistence farmer, meat was an occasional
thing. Fish and seafood if you were close to an ocean or big
river, but you simply didn't have enough animals to eat meat
everyday.[/quote]
[quote]Northern Chinese here.
As said before somewhere here:
Genetics definitely play a role. Southerners can be skinny on a
different level to us. We call their look "bones covered by
skin"... Somehow they often don't have much meat. Genetically
they are closer to Vietnamese often than to us.
...
My particular culture from northern china is ... I'd say is bit
like Russia. Very machismo, very loud and brash. Not very
delicate. I guess the Mongols influenced us all.[/quote]
[quote]North-west are Turkic ethnicity and I know from Turkish
ppl they love "round women" [/quote]
[quote]Nobody in South China wants a fat girl, I know from
having lived there.[/quote]
[quote]Yes, in Guangdong 50 kilos is fat![/quote]
Another map I found:
[img]
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Re: Yandi vs Huangdi myth confirmed
By: rp Date: August 12, 2024, 12:21 am
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HTML https://x.com/ulmuka_/status/1815317451187310847?t=FT8tniLQy42DjMAhI40Avg&s=19…
These Han cattle protection associations existed well into 20th
cent, as the Mohammedans were decimated while putting down their
jihads their focus shifted to targeting the townsmen who dared
eat beef
Mao wrote about this phenomenon
books.google.com/books?id=RW4YD…
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[Quote]
Qing China also has Gau-rakshak groups, these groups quickly
became a parallel govt overtime, settling disputes and engaging
in all kinds of wanton behaviour
Leaders moved about with Entourages better than local Qing
bureaucrats,who feared dealing with them
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Re: Yandi vs Huangdi myth confirmed
By: 90sRetroFan Date: September 24, 2024, 1:42 am
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[quote]Edit: this is applicable to the main population centers
of east Asia.
The more north you go, the more nomadic and less this applies.
The more
south you go, the more agrarian, developed and where "overt
masculinity"
is less encouraged. The propaganda against asian men is based on
the
more "southern" stereotype of east asians. Masculinity is very
much
still promoted in places like Mongolia, vs. a place like
Thailand, for
example.[/quote]
Of course!
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/turanian-sexism/
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Re: Yandi vs Huangdi myth confirmed
By: rp Date: October 18, 2024, 11:15 am
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HTML https://x.com/Rjrasva/status/1782707743272394914?t=RZMwJ2IFnmRnFda2xAO0pQ&s=19
[quote]
Manchu larper (Li Shuo is most likely a peasant from Shandong
whose ancestors migrated to Manchuria in late 19th cent) &
"Aryan" larper both bringing hilarity. Schopenhauer on situation
of animals in his day in Europe
& until early 20th cent Chinese had
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HTML https://x.com/CaribbeanRythms/status/1782404039231131683?t=Un1t-bdiGaZQP_RlkuNBkg&s=19
[Quote]
Chinese lack of empathy is attributed to their agrarian
upbringing, contrasting with superior pastoral cultures where
animals were essential for survival and required care to produce
quality milk and meat.
Your natural diet is rice and grain not meat.
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[/Quote]
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[Quote]
a strong taboo against beef (including male buffaloes),
especially in southern China. To quote Mao on this
books.google.com/books?id=RW4YD…
This is because oxen helped the Chinese peasant plough & came to
be seen as family. The 2 groups most strongly associated with
beef in 19th cent Qing
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I disagree with the negative use of the word "peasant" but agree
with the other points. To give some context, he is referring to
a quoted tweet inside his quoted tweet from "New Chinese"
progressive (and noted enemy on this forum) Manju Barturo (real
name Li Shuo) where he is exalting animal cruelty.
Good replies to the quoted tweet from CarribeanRhythms:
HTML https://x.com/Airmanareiks/status/1782734055403917682?t=WRJ2DTV_C_F6fTbdd5IYsA&s=19
[Quote]
We used to parade mass killing of animals in medieval hunting
festivals, trying to claim as many heads as possible
Also, higher testosterone correlates with LESS empathy. So
Pastoralists much have enjoyed dominating animals & increasing
their suffering to drag out their products
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Re: Yandi vs Huangdi myth confirmed
By: 90sRetroFan Date: October 18, 2024, 9:23 pm
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Manju Baturp (who considers cruelty to animals a good thing) is
just doing his usual routine of trying to encourage "New
Chinese" to be proud of their worst traits.
Prometheus (who presents as considering cruelty to animals a bad
thing) worsens the confusion by adding the claim that
pastoralists are better for animals than agrarians are (which is
why I don't believe he actually cares about animals).
Ice Age Autist (who also considers cruelty to animals a good
thing) at least helps undo the confusion added by Prometheus.
It should be noted Jurchens are northern themselves, albeit from
the part of the north with at least some arable land as
mentioned in the first post of this topic. Culturally they are a
hodgepodge:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurchen_people
[quote]Jurchen (Manchu: ᠵᡠᡧᡝᠨ
Jušen, IPA: [dʒuʃən]; Chinese: 女真,
Nǚzhēn [nỳ.ʈʂə́n]) is a term
used to collectively describe a number of East Asian
Tungusic-speaking people.[a] They lived in northeastern China,
also known as Manchuria, before the 18th century. The Jurchens
were renamed Manchus in 1635 by Hong Taiji.[6] Different Jurchen
groups lived as hunter-gatherers, pastoralist semi-nomads, or
sedentary agriculturists.[/quote]
As usual, the bad attitudes mostly predominated:
[quote]Like the Khitan people and Mongols, they took pride in
feats of strength, horsemanship, archery, and hunting.
...
The Qing stationed the "New Manchu" Warka foragers in Ningguta
and attempted to turn them into normal agricultural farmers but
then the Warka just reverted to hunter gathering and requested
money to buy cattle for beef broth. The Qing wanted the Warka to
become soldier-farmers and imposed this on them, but the Warka
simply left their garrison at Ningguta and went back to the
Sungari to their homes to herd, fish and hunt. The Qing accused
them of desertion.[117][/quote]
The Qing at least had some good intentions. The same cannot be
said of Manju Baturo.
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Re: Yandi vs Huangdi myth confirmed
By: rp Date: October 18, 2024, 9:31 pm
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"Manju Baturp (who considers cruelty to animals a good thing) is
just doing his usual routine of trying to encourage "New
Chinese" to be proud of their worst traits.
Prometheus (who presents as considering cruelty to animals a bad
thing) worsens the confusion by adding the claim that
pastoralists are better for animals than agrarians are (which is
why I don't believe he actually cares about animals).
Ice Age Autist (who also considers cruelty to animals a good
thing) at least helps undo the confusion added by Prometheus."
Prometheus is an "Aryan" larper (similar to Bronze Age Pervert)
i.e. a Turanist, but who pretends to care about animals, and
probably quotes Schopenhauer, which is what the original tweet
calls him out for , along with Li Shuo, by referencing actual
Schopenhauer quotes showing how Chinese did care for animals,
contrary to what Shuo and Prometheus claim (which Shuo and
Prometheus both agree on (i.e. that Chinese do not care for
animals), only disagreeing on the why this is the case
(Prometheus argues Aryan blood, Shuo probably argues Turanian
blood). The original tweeter however does not refute
Prometheus's claim on agrarianism vs pastoralism, which is why I
posted IceAgeAutist's tweet that corrects him.
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Re: Yandi vs Huangdi myth confirmed
By: rp Date: October 20, 2024, 12:14 pm
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"Prometheus (who presents as considering cruelty to animals a
bad thing) worsens the confusion by adding the claim that
pastoralists are better for animals than agrarians are (which is
why I don't believe he actually cares about animals)."
This is actually a common talking point, believe it or not. I
have seen many Western ranchers claim the same, i.e. that they
"take care" of their livestock and "give them a good life", etc.
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Re: Yandi vs Huangdi myth confirmed
By: 90sRetroFan Date: March 20, 2025, 2:24 am
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Continuing from:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/mythical-world/yandi-vs-huangdi-myth-confirmed/msg17310/#msg17310
Another comparison (skip directly to 3:18 to avoid the
preamble):
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fhtw1w_Reo
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