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#Post#: 23981--------------------------------------------------
Re: Eroticism =/= sexuality
By: Spruce Date: November 22, 2023, 6:27 pm
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'No, what he's actually saying is that if you're going to ban
voluntary gravure for children you need to ban voluntary gravure
for adults as well, or you are an adult supremacist. This is
what not having double standards actually looks like. '
reality is more nuanced than this.. . children are more likely
than grown upps to be physicaly or emotionaly coerced into doing
'gravure' for the sick satisfaction and profit of adults... this
happens both overtlyyt and subtely
'hey mom let me twerk in camera in studio for money ;))))' - no
child ever
'No, he's saying Jews would say "drugs are bad" and then get
western politicians to do drugs so as to have something to black
mail them with.'
u give jews to muc credit wacko ! omg do either of u seriuosly
tihink jews invented anti pedophilia and anti drug campaigns,
and social tabus in general? u are verry sick.. i whack youre
head with 2x4 to make u normal again
'Furthermore, if every drug addict was prohibited from
reproducing why should we care if they do drugs and ruin their
lives with them? It is their life after-all, correct? Once they
are dead their drug addicted blood line has come to an end. Or,
do you really not care about the children in the generations to
follow after-all? You must not, because you have no problem with
F@#cked up people reproducing themselves?'
y should peopel ever do any thing good then ? never make any
changes for good ness because genes ? i am going to blend u and
ur 90 year old gilf fan into a big sloppy mess !!!!!!!
#Post#: 23985--------------------------------------------------
Re: Eroticism =/= sexuality
By: NoDoubleStandards Date: November 22, 2023, 6:52 pm
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[quote]reality is more nuanced than this.. . children are more
likely than grown upps to be physicaly or emotionaly coerced
into doing 'gravure' for the sick satisfaction and profit of
adults... this happens both overtlyyt and subtely[/quote]
This is why our goal is do stop the adulteration process
altogether and why 90SRF promotes a civilization based on
features centered around neoteny. You just don't share his
vision, if you are even capable of any vision at all?
[quote]hey mom let me twerk in camera in studio for money ;))))'
- no child ever[/quote]
And you are sure "no child ever" has said this because you are
omnipresent in all children's lives throughout time all of the
time?
[quote]u give jews to muc credit wacko ! omg do either of u
seriuosly tihink jews invented anti pedophilia and anti drug
campaigns, and social tabus in general? u are verry sick.. i
whack youre head with 2x4 to make u normal again[/quote]
Jews didn't invent money either, did they? Jews didn't invent
blackmail either. Nor did Jews invent banking. Jews didn't
invent drugs, etc. etc. What is your point?
[quote]y should peopel ever do any thing good then ? never make
any changes for good ness because genes ? i am going to blend u
and ur 90 year old gilf fan into a big sloppy mess
!!!!!!![/quote]
So you don't actually believe in God after-all, nor defeating
the devil? Is this why you speak like a demon?
[quote]i am going to blend u and ur 90 year old gilf fan into a
big sloppy mess !!!!!!![/quote]
After you take your western meds and escape from the insane
asylum?
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Re: Eroticism =/= sexuality
By: Spriuce Date: November 22, 2023, 7:16 pm
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'This is why our goal is do stop the adulteration process
altogether and why 90SRF promotes a civilization based on
features centered around neoteny.
u r insane stupid if you thnk that sexualizing kids is not
adultrating
'And you are sure "no child ever" has said this because you are
omnipresent in all children's lives throughout time all of the
time?'
yes
'Jews didn't invent money either, did they? Jews didn't invent
blackmail either. Nor did Jews invent banking. Jews didn't
invent drugs, etc. etc. What is your point?'
that jews did not invent the tabus they blackmail peopel with
'So you don't actually believe in God after-all, nor defeating
the devil? Is this why you speak like a demon?'
i do big stinky. . u were the one saying peopel should drugs so
we kno they are bad genes. stupid
'After you take your western meds and escape from the insane
asylum?'
i am a demon. i have a knife.
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Re: Eroticism =/= sexuality
By: 90sRetroFan Date: November 22, 2023, 10:22 pm
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"pedophilia is pedophilia, it makes no difference if they have
double standards over it or not"
If Jews do not want Jewish children involved in it, that tells
you what they really think about it.
"those running the west are weirdos who have to hide their
depravity from the people"
In other words, the people in the West are MAP-phobic, which is
what my claim was.
[quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNRQYExp-8k[/quote]
This is fiction, thus involves plausible deniability in that the
filmmakers can claim to be producing a work whose value is in
the story, and the scenes are there just to tell the story. This
is unlike gravure which is self-admitted fanservice and does not
pretend to be anything else, which is what I respect about it.
Such candour is socially prohibited in Western mainstream
society due to MAP-phobia.
"i am saying 'drugs are bad'"
And the burden of persuasion is on you to explain why.
"how?"
The colonial era happened.
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/issues/legal-decolonization/msg749/#msg749
[quote][img width=1280
height=671]
HTML https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Map_of_the_Legal_systems_of_the_world_%28en%29.png[/img][/quote]
"we have to admit that now a days lgbt especially when targeted
at non western countries is a pedo cia psyop"
HTML https://a.pinatafarm.com/800x450/188a0e1e38/alex-jones-65e63ecce8b27345f4712cc869d8f21f-meme.jpeg
"this is youre OWN definition you made up to try and make 'MAPs'
seem 'not so bad'"
Can you point out anything wrong with it?
"children have more original nobility than adaults, therefor any
sexualizing hedonism directed at them is worse than adults."
So you are saying that Spectator A who prefers watching:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/eroticism-sexuality/msg20345/#msg20345
[quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9wAY90_wYg[/quote]
is a worse person than Spectator B who prefers watching:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/eroticism-sexuality/msg20292/#msg20292
[quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ_RI4-rxrs[/quote]
because you estimate (based on age alone) Miyama to be closer to
ideal than Suzuki? But what if I estimate based on face shape
that Suzuki is closer to ideal? Which estimation tool do we go
with? *
(* If you actually watch the videos, Miyama is seen cutting meat
at 52:00, whereas Suzuki does not handle animal products at any
point in her video. So, in this case at least, face shape really
did give a better estimate than age. ;D )
More fundamentally, I would not even generalize that better
people would necessarily prefer to watch more sub-ideal
performers. It depends on whether they are trying to distance
idealism from eroticism or trying to unite the two. Both are
valid paths. But those who prefer the former path probably
should not watch gravure at all, since gravure is all about the
latter path.
"also children are much easier to physically and emotionally
intimidate, mislead, and bribe than an adault."
I am saying to children: "If you want to do gravure, do it. If
you don't want to do gravure, don't."
You are saying to childen: "EVEN IF YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING
GRAVURE VOLUNTARILY YOU ACTUALLY AREN'T!"
Who is emotionally intimidating children?
"is giving a kid candy for s*x bad? absolutelty"
Giving a kid candy for sex is no less bad and no more bad than
giving an adult candy (or money etc.) for sex. But should bad
behaviour not involving initiated violence be prohibited?
Absolutely not. To prohibit it would be initiating violence.
"you are pretending that any kid doing 'gravure' voluntarily
isn't facing any subtle or overt pressure"
You are saying that kids should not decide for themselves what
they do. I am saying that they should.
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Re: Eroticism =/= sexuality
By: Spruce Date: November 22, 2023, 10:40 pm
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'If Jews do not want Jewish children involved in it, that tells
you what they really think about it.'
ur honor, i am not a child molestor because the kid isnt jewish
!
'In other words, the people in the West are MAP-phobic, which is
what my claim was.'
all the while you ignore my point that western politicians [the
peopel who support israel and neo colonialsm] are 'maps'
themselves
'This is fiction, thus involves plausible deniability in that
the filmmakers can claim to be producing a work whose value is
in the story, and the scenes are there just to tell the story.
This is unlike gravure which is self-admitted fanservice and
does not pretend to be anything else, which is what I respect
about it. Such candour is socially prohibited in Western
mainstream society due to MAP-phobia.'
?????? the story itself being fiction means the kids being
suggestive asf dont exist????
'And the burden of persuasion is on you to explain why.'
r u a national socialist or a libertarian
'The colonial era happened.'
the aforementioned anti-lgbt and anti-pedophilia sentiment
existed before colonialism
'
HTML https://a.pinatafarm.com/800x450/188a0e1e38/alex-jones-65e63ecce8b27345f4712cc869d8f21f-meme.jpeg'
comparing me to alex jones is not a argument. . this is an
established fact and common knowledge
dumb skinhead website but a lot of what they prove here shows my
point:
HTML https://nationaljusticeparty.com/2023/09/12/americas-ambassadors-imperial-governors-who-hate-white-americans-and-the-world/
or if you want if from horse mouth:
HTML https://ee.usembassy.gov/2021-02-04-3/
'Can you point out anything wrong with it?'
yes the fact that what you said literaly is not the definition
of pedophilia and 'map'. . this is false dichotomy. you want
peopel to pretend there's 'good and bad pedophilia', bc if they
chose one of the other its still pedophilia
'So you are saying that Spectator A who prefers watching'
no i am saying that early sexualization is early adulteration
'I am saying to children: "If you want to do gravure, do it. If
you don't want to do gravure, don't." You are saying to childen:
"EVEN IF YOU THINK YOU ARE DOING GRAVURE VOLUNTARILY YOU
ACTUALLY AREN'T!"'
no i am saying tat in the real world where pedophilia is legal,
kids r going to be epxloited'
'Who is emotionally intimidating children?'
evryone with a profit or stimulative incentive to do so
'Giving a kid candy for sex is no less bad and no more bad than
giving an adult candy (or money etc.) for sex. But should bad
behaviour not involving initiated violence be prohibited?
Absolutely not. To prohibit it would be initiating violence.'
tricking kid into sexual acts is deceptive and cruel. kid is
worse than adult, adult undrstands consequences more and less
original nobility but both bad. kid is only thinkin bout candy.
libertarian degenerat. consent is not enough
'You are saying that kids should not decide for themselves what
they do. I am saying that they should.'
and again I am saying u are pretending that any kid doing
'gravure' voluntarily does and will not b pressurd
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Re: Eroticism =/= sexuality
By: 90sRetroFan Date: November 23, 2023, 2:25 am
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"western politicians [the peopel who support israel and neo
colonialsm] are 'maps' themselves"
They also drink water. Should we ban water?
"the story itself being fiction means the kids being suggestive
asf dont exist?"
No, it means the Western filmmakers can use the story as their
excuse. Non-Western gravure filmmakers do not need to hide
behind an excuse. This tells us that the former's society is
more MAP-phobic than the latter's.
"r u a national socialist or a libertarian"
I am a National Socialist:
HTML https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb60.htm
[quote]More Morality, Less Moralism!
by Joseph Goebbels
...
This moralism often has nothing in common with true morality.
They proclaim ethical laws that might be appropriate for a
nunnery, but are entirely out of place in a modern cultural
state.
An example. In a major central German city an advertising poster
for a soap company showed a fresh, attractive girl holding the
soap package in her hands. A moral knight who unfortunately had
the right to determine the fate of this poster forbade its
distribution on the ground that it offended the moral
sensibilities of the population, since the woman in the poster
was holding the soap in a place “that for moral reasons cannot
be described more precisely.”
What is moral about this? The person announcing the ban, who
presumes that other people share his dirty fantasies, or the
German people and the National Socialist movement, that are
rightly upset and in opposition to such a ridiculous action?
...
These same moralists often turn to government offices with the
request to ban films, plays, operas, and operettas, since the
dancers, stars, etc., apparently represent a grave danger to
public decency. If we gave in to their demands, we should soon
see only old ladies and men on the screen or the stage. The
theaters would be empty, since the public generally does not
attend them to see the same people they see in church or old
people’s homes.
...
No one can suspect us of wanting to live lives of ostentation or
luxury. The Führer and many of his close comrades neither smoke
nor drink nor enjoy sumptuous living. Those, however, who want
to rob a nation of sixty million of every pleasure and all
traces of optimism are contemptible
...
To take joy and pleasure from a people means to make it unfit
for its struggle for its daily bread.
He who does that sins against our reconstruction efforts and
embarrasses the National Socialist state before the whole world.
The result would be a dreary impoverishment of our public life.
That we will not accept.
...
That is why we shake off the agents of a prudish hypocrisy, why
we do not allow decent, hard-working people who have every
reason to need relief from their hard daily labors, who need to
reaffirm life, to recover from the weariness, cares, and burdens
of every day, to have their necessary pleasures ruined by the
eternal chicanery of these pedants.[/quote]
Libertarians are the ones who want to give parents maximal power
over their own offspring, and hence distrust the state (which
they perceive as limiting parental power).
"if you want if from horse mouth:"
Full text from your link:
[quote]Today, President Biden signed a Presidential Memorandum
directing all U.S. government departments and agencies engaged
abroad to ensure that U.S. diplomacy and foreign assistance
promote and protect the human rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual,
transgender, queer, and intersex (LGBTQI+) persons around the
world.
The struggle to end violence,
discrimination, criminalization, and stigma against
LGBTQI+ persons is a global challenge that remains central to
our commitment to promote human rights and fundamental freedoms
for all individuals.  In the Biden-Harris administration,
the United States will lead by the power of our example and
pursue a policy to end violence and discrimination on the basis
of sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, or sex
characteristics.  Today’s action by President Biden
demonstrates the U.S. government’s firm commitment to advance
this goal.
Pursuant to President Biden’s memorandum, the Department of
State in coordination with relevant federal agencies will use a
broad range of diplomatic and programmatic tools and resources
to protect vulnerable LGBTQI+ refugees and asylum seekers;
combat criminalization of individuals on the basis of LGBTQI+
status or conduct; ensure that our diplomacy and foreign
assistance promote and protect the human rights of LGBTQI+
persons and advance nondiscrimination; and allow swift U.S.
responses to human rights violations and abuses of LGBTQI+
persons.
Working with Congress, the State Department is taking the
necessary steps to provide $10 million in Fiscal Year 2021 funds
for the Global Equality Fund (GEF). The GEF provides emergency
assistance to human rights defenders and human rights
programming support to grassroots LGBTQI+ organizations to
catalyze positive change and draws its strength from the support
and partnership of an international coalition of like-minded
governments, businesses, and foundations.
Under President Biden’s leadership, the United
States will work with like-minded governments and
strengthen civil society advocacy to fully support and advance
the human rights of LGBTQI+ persons.  Our international
partners can be assured that advancing human rights
for all individuals, with no exception or caveat, is a U.S.
foreign policy priority.[/quote]
I support this. It is a product of the Counterculture. It is you
who consider it a "psyop".
"yes the fact that what you said literaly is not the definition
of pedophilia and 'map'. . this is false dichotomy. you want
peopel to pretend there's 'good and bad pedophilia', bc if they
chose one of the other its still pedophilia"
You are illiterate.
"no i am saying that early sexualization is early adulteration"
Adulteration of whom? The performer or the spectator?
"no i am saying tat in the real world where pedophilia is legal,
kids r going to be epxloited'"
Should we ban Masterchef Junior as well? If not, why give
chances to kids who want to become future chefs but not to kids
who want to become future idols?
"consent is not enough"
It is now on the record that you support initiating violence.
"and again I am saying u are pretending that any kid doing
'gravure' voluntarily does and will not b pressurd"
If you are sincerely worried about that, the answer is to give
kids economic independence so that parents cannot exert pressure
on them to do ANY activity. I have already proposed this in the
past. But you do not seem worried about kids being pressured to
do other voluntary activities (again, are you going to ban
Masterchef Junior?), which is why I am not convinced that you
are arguing in good faith.
I will give you one more chance: if you could be 100% sure that
all kids doing gravure are genuinely doing it voluntarily, would
you then be fine with it?
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Re: Eroticism =/= sexuality
By: PalestineSolidarity Date: November 23, 2023, 4:04 am
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[quote]i do big stinky. . u were the one saying peopel should
drugs so we kno they are bad genes. stupid[/quote]
Where did I say that?
[quote]no i am saying tat in the real world where pedophilia is
legal, kids r going to be epxloited'[/quote]
Children will continue to be exploited in this world regardless
of what is and what is not legal because people like you exist
in this world. You have no problem with initiated violence as
90SRF has already started pointing out. By the way, in this
world, initiated violence is often legal. Is that why you have
no problem with it?
I'm getting the same vibes from you I get from "Pro-Life"
right-wingers who support Israel dropping bombs on Palestinian
children. The same vibes as "Pro-Life" rightists who all eat
meat, etc.
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Re: Eroticism =/= sexuality
By: Spruce Date: November 23, 2023, 8:54 am
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'They also drink water. Should we ban water?'
dishonest false equivalence. unless of course u feel you need
child p*rn as much as u need water.. in any case i have proven
that anti pedophilia is not uniquelly western if any thing the
opposite
'No, it means the Western filmmakers can use the story as their
excuse. Non-Western gravure filmmakers do not need to hide
behind an excuse. This tells us that the former's society is
more MAP-phobic than the latter's.'
yes peopel hate pedophilia in the US more than in japan. this is
not a bad thing.
and i promise u that even the makers of cuties have nevr said
'um well it was a fictional story so the live action scenes of
lil girls being suggestive doesnt count'. u urself dont even buy
that. animating young looking girls who are supposedly in theyre
20s is 'plausible deniability', recording real life girls being
weird is not. it being under 'fiction' does not change the fact
that girls are being sexualized. it does not make a difference.
besides, even ur 'non western gravure film makers' media is
under staged fiction and is not creep shot voyeurism either
'
HTML https://research.calvin.edu/german-propaganda-archive/goeb60.html'
he is talking about theaters and women in advertising, not
pedophilia nitwit. NSDAP purged sexual degeneracy like
pedophilia
'Libertarians are the ones who want to give parents maximal
power over their own offspring, and hence distrust the state
(which they perceive as limiting parental power).'
libertarians also think that any economic or sexual transaction
is ok as long as 'consent', even if degenerate bc they care more
about liberty aka hedonism than freedom like u
'I support this. It is a product of the Counterculture. It is
you who consider it a "psyop".'
i dont care, this proves that the west uses lgbt as a tool. the
west will parade lgbt rights and then bomb the middle east. how
counterculture of them
'You are illiterate.'
no nigga u r just mad i dont buy into ur personal definition of
pre existing words ;D
'Adulteration of whom? The performer or the spectator?'
both, especialy performer
'Should we ban Masterchef Junior as well? If not, why give
chances to kids who want to become future chefs but not to kids
who want to become future idols?'
chopping onion better than being molested
'It is now on the record that you support initiating violence.'
and u are the one on recording advocatng 4 chikld prostituion.
agin u have no understanding of childcare if u think giving kid
candy 4 s*x is in best interest of kid
'But you do not seem worried about kids being pressured to do
other voluntary activities (again, are you going to ban
Masterchef Junior?), which is why I am not convinced that you
are arguing in good faith.'
i am. but pedophilia takes priority bc its worse. ther is
difference between tv show wher kid walks into radioactive
wasteland and life long illness, and cooking show
'I will give you one more chance: if you could be 100% sure that
all kids doing gravure are genuinely doing it voluntarily, would
you then be fine with it?'
no. u will not have pure NS state if u rely on non aggression
principle alone. i do not want ancap pedophilia society.
otherwise, what is the point of any of this?
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Re: Eroticism =/= sexuality
By: 90sRetroFan Date: November 23, 2023, 6:32 pm
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"yes peopel hate pedophilia in the US more than in japan. this
is not a bad thing."
Next, would you agree that, within the US, Red states are more
MAP-phobic than Blue states?
"even the makers of cuties have nevr said 'um well it was a
fictional story so the live action scenes of lil girls being
suggestive doesnt count'"
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuties
[quote]She says that the film deals with self-image and social
media. "Our girls see that the more a woman is overly sexualised
on social media, the more she's successful. And the children
just imitate what they see, trying to achieve the same result
without understanding the meaning, and yeah, it's
dangerous."[10] She says that although watching the film may be
difficult, it is important to have a conversation in society
about these issues.[8][/quote]
What she doesn't say is: "Fanservice for sale!" Non-Western
Gravure filmmakers have no problem saying this, which is why I
respect the latter more.
"even ur 'non western gravure film makers' media is under staged
fiction"
Untrue. Gravure performers are classified as models, not as
actors:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_(person)#Gravure_idols
"he is talking about theaters and women in advertising, not
pedophilia nitwit."
[quote]we do not allow decent, hard-working people who have
every reason to need relief from their hard daily labors, who
need to reaffirm life, to recover from the weariness, cares, and
burdens of every day, to have their necessary pleasures ruined
by the eternal chicanery of these pedants.[/quote]
This is a near-perfect description of the role gravure plays in
society. If you ban gravure, you will ruin gravure fans' R&R.
"libertarians also think that any economic or sexual transaction
is ok as long as 'consent'"
No, libertarians believe it is the parents who get to do the
consenting on behalf of their children.
"this proves that the west uses lgbt as a tool"
Why can't it be a sincere concern?
"i dont buy into ur personal definition of pre existing words"
You buy into the Western definition. But at the same time you
refuse to admit to thinking like a Westerner.
"both, especialy performer"
Point out (provide time intervals) in my example video:
HTML https://trueleft.createaforum.com/counterculture-era/eroticism-sexuality/msg20345/#msg20345
[quote]
HTML https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9wAY90_wYg[/quote]
where Miyama is being adulterated, and explain precisely
(provide as much detail as possible) which actions are
adulterating and why.
"chopping onion better than being molested"
Why should we have any reason to believe that gravure idols are
being molested but Masterchef Junior contestants are not? If
anything, contestants would have more incentive to offer sexual
favours to judges to gain an unfair advantage over other
contestants.
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Re: Eroticism =/= sexuality
By: Vrily Date: November 23, 2023, 8:45 pm
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Okay so seeing as how this originally started with me posting
that Filthy Frank song to troll, but quickly turned into a real
argument, I'm going to drop the ESL meme. To those reading this,
your man here is a pedophiile who openly supports child
prostitutiion. No one ever became an Aryanist for this, not even
AS himself. I hope this gives you retards some pause.
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>Next, would you agree that, within the US, Red states are more
MAP-phobic than Blue states?
No. I can talk about creepy drag queen story hour narrators just
as easily as I can talk about creepy Sunday school teachers. I
can talk about Democrats (literally) being in bed with Epstein
just as much as I can talk about Republicans doing the same.
>What she doesn't say is: "Fanservice for sale!" Non-Western
Gravure filmmakers have no problem saying this, which is why I
respect the latter more.
Hey buddy that's really cool, you like honest degenerates more
than dishonest degenerates. That's deep. Its a shame all those
lamp posts don't care.
>This is a near-perfect description of the role gravure plays in
society. If you ban gravure, you will ruin gravure fans' R&R.
Cry me a river. The NSDAP also ruined the "R&R" of the
subversive Jews polluting German society, are you going to mourn
that and demonize the NSDAP?
>Why can't it be a sincere concern?
Because its NATO you idiot.
>You buy into the Western definition. But at the same time you
refuse to admit to thinking like a Westerner.
Nice cope. Conventional word definitions do not speak for all of
the West, and you do not speak for all of the non-Western world.
>Point out (provide time intervals) in my example video... where
Miyama is being adulterated, and explain precisely (provide as
much detail as possible) which actions are adulterating and why.
Sorry kike, I am not going to timestamp for you. I am not going
to give you fap material. Your old self would prefer the "you"
today to be dead.
HTML https://youtu.be/O13G5A5w5P0?t=226
HTML https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/19/18229938/youtube-child-exploitation-recommendation-algorithm-predators
>Why should we have any reason to believe that gravure idols are
being molested but Masterchef Junior contestants are not? If
anything, contestants would have more incentive to offer sexual
favours to judges to gain an unfair advantage over other
contestants.
It isn't a stretch to think kids being sexually exploited are
being sexually exploited.
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