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Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: antihellenistic
Date: December 27, 2023, 11:20 pm
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Democracy is Rightism
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> My coworkers assumed that anything associated with capitalism
must be “conservative” because capitalists were against the
working class. This archaic analysis totally misrepresents the
current situation. An application of an outmoded Marxist model
of class conflict, it tells us absolutely nothing about what is
going on in this age. Today the working class here and in
Western Europe is usually allied to the cultural right, while
our financiers and CEOs are mostly where Rod Dreher locates
them, on the cultural left. There is no way we can make sense of
political and cultural polarities unless we assume an inversion
of the Marxist economic paradigm.
>
> Another point I would make about “woke capitalism,” as someone
who has just finished a book on antifascism, is that the fascist
enemy for the cultural left never goes away. According to New
York Times film critic Manohla Dargas, commenting on the movie
Dunkirk, “the fight against fascism continues.” And such Yale
professors as Tim Snyder and Jason Stanley have raked in
fortunes publishing book length comparisons of Hitler’s Germany
and Donald Trump’s America.
>
> The good people, who impose PC guidelines on their puzzled,
powerless workers and the media who never end their tear against
“the authoritarian Right,” are still fighting Hitler. {snip}
>
> {snip} Strange as it may sound, some of these actors may
believe in what they are doing. Given their education and
socialization, it is entirely possible that what these woke
capitalists are imposing on their workers reflects an
internalized belief system. Even elites may embrace lunatic
ideas out of both personal conviction and a sense of advancing
the Good.
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Source :
Posted on August 22, 2020 Please, the Capitalist Class Is
Anything but Conservative Paul Gottfried, The American
Conservative, August 20, 2020
HTML https://www.amren.com/news/2020/08/please-the-capitalist-class-is-anything-but-conservative/
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Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: January 20, 2024, 4:33 pm
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10 in 10 leftists should be opposed to solving rightist rise
with democracy:
HTML https://rmx.news/france/7-in-10-french-citizens-opposed-to-solving-demographic-decline-with-immigration/
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> At a time when France is experiencing a spectacular
demographic decline, an overwhelming majority of French citizens
are not in favor of using immigration as a lever to boost the
birth rate, recent polling showed.
>
> According to a CSA survey conducted for CNews, Europe 1, and
Le Journal du Dimanche, 69 percent of respondents rejected using
replacement through immigration as a means of injecting fresh
blood into the French economy.
>
> Upon further analysis, women (71 percent) were slightly more
opposed to mass immigration than men (67 percent), and while
every age group rejected the idea, elderly respondents were more
firmly opposed.
>
> A total of 56 percent of 18-24-year-olds were against using
immigration to counter the declining birth rate, while 74
percent of those aged 35-49 and 70 percent of over-65s were
opposed to it.
>
> In a socio-economic breakdown, 65 percent of the most highly
educated respondents were opposed, compared to 76 percent of
those less qualified academically.
>
> Supporters of Jordan Bardella’s National Rally were the most
opposed at 94 percent, closely followed by voters of Éric
Zemmour’s conservative Reconquest party at 92 percent.
>
> For the Republicans, this opposition is slightly less
pronounced but remains in the majority at 84 percent. On the
Renaissance side, 62 percent of those polled were also against.
>
> Conversely, on the left of the political spectrum, supporters
of all parties are in favor of the proposal. Supporters of La
France Insoumise (56 percent), the Greens (58 percent), and the
Socialist Party (60 percent) are in favor of using immigration
as a solution to the country’s demographic decline.
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Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 7, 2024, 6:17 pm
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HTML https://twitter.com/ChadGilmartinCA/status/1765202198944711050<br
/>(video at link)
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> MSDNC panel mocks the fact immigration is a top issue for
voters across the country
>
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But will the panellists ever reach the conclusion that those
voters whom they are mocking should never have been allowed to
vote?
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Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: March 20, 2024, 9:09 pm
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Still supporting democracy, leftists?
HTML https://news.sky.com/story/phoning-it-in-some-signs-leo-varadkar-planned-to-step-down-after-black-eye-for-government-13098555
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> Mr Varadkar was handed a humiliating defeat in twin
referendums earlier this month, when the Irish people voted
against redefining marriage and removing "sexist" language from
the constitution.
>
> His government's proposals weren't just rejected, they were
trounced. The latter referendum received a massive 74% No vote,
the highest in Irish history.
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Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: rp
Date: April 15, 2024, 6:09 pm
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HTML https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1779942309280559212?t=AxP6Q1sNORTuKdBjCArSQA&s=19
[quote]
The hilarious thing about these right-wing types being
anti-democracy is that democracy is why they have any power at
all. A society where bureaucratic elites didn't have any popular
checks on their power wouldn't be good for them. This is
detached from reality.
[Quote]
I don't believe in democracy," says right-wing commentator
Lauren Chen while arguing that women should not have the right
to vote.
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I agree with our enemy Hanania here, but I would elaborate more:
Chen thinks restricting women from voting is a non democratic
position, when in reality it is the true democratic position.
Giving women suffrage was a non democratic action. Similarly,
the only reason why the hubristic plebs have any power at all
today is because democracy has not thoroughly been eradicated
(only the demos has been expanded to give suffrage to
"minorities"). A truly bureaucratic system would surely keep the
rightists' power in check more than it is being done so already
(this is why rightists rant all the time about "globalist"
institutions like the UN, EU, WEF consisting of "unelected"
officials).
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Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: rp
Date: April 16, 2024, 10:21 pm
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Posting enemy Hanania again, as I find he has some good takes:
HTML https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1780418431625609377?t=3eny1RvQfMTH196QyXd4VQ&s=19
[Quote]
“The true right-wing position is that right-wingers shouldn’t
vote.”
Guys, try getting a base outside the obese and backwards parts
of rural America before purging the voting rolls
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“Repeal the 19th” is a cute rw-accepted shorthand for opposing
universal suffrage without really digging into the real issues
of who gets to vote — the reality is that MOST people shouldn’t
vote.
People who don’t pay taxes shouldn’t vote. People who receive
government aid shouldn’t vote. People who don’t own property
shouldn’t vote. People who don’t have kids shouldn’t vote.
People who have done time shouldn’t vote.
There are many ways to filter an appropriate voting populace.
The problem with digging into this past “repeal the 19th” is
then we’re faced with the prickly question of who SHOULD vote
and the reality is that many of those calling to repeal the 19th
might themselves not qualify under a more rigorous assessment of
voting eligibility.
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Unlike Chen, this tweeter does seem to express a genuinely non
democratic viewpoint, but as Hanania points out, he does not
realize the irony in this.
Of course Hanania's characterization of rightists as hillbillies
may be overly simplistic, but the truth is under the tweeter's
definition of voting eligibility, most "White" rightists would
be excluded (who the same tweeter would probably say are
victimized as they belong to the "White" working class).
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Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 16, 2024, 10:52 pm
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"under the tweeter's definition of voting eligibility, most
"White" rightists would be excluded"
But so would possibly more left-leaning voters. And that is the
point of the proposal which Hanania is ignoring.
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Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: rp
Date: April 16, 2024, 11:02 pm
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"But so would possibly more left-leaning voters."
I think only the excluding of childless people has the
possibility of excluding more left leaning voters, among all the
other things mentioned.
This is of course a genuine anti democratic position, propagated
by the "Dark Enlightenment" movement, whose ideologues include
the likes of Curtis Yarvin (Jew). I think Hanania deliberately
chooses to ignore this because he himself agrees with this, as
he was part of that.
I agree with some of the criteria as well (for example,
excluding those who don't pay taxes (which would eliminate the
hubristic plebians) and those who receive welfare (which would
eliminate those who are looking to parasitically extract
resources from the state for their own ends)), but I would
advocate an even more strict criteria, such as eliminating
"Whites" altogether. Of course, the eventual goal is to
eliminate all but the noble few, among which the best candidate
would be chosen as the monarch.
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Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 17, 2024, 3:21 am
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"This is of course a genuine anti democratic position"
I would say it is trying to return democracy to its early US
form:
HTML https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_rights_in_the_United_States
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> 1789: The Constitution grants the states the power to set
voting requirements. Generally, states limited this right to
property-owning or tax-paying white males (about 6% of the
population).[14]
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and then making it even stricter. Aristotle would probably
approve of this too, therefore I would not call it
anti-democratic.
"those who don't pay taxes (which would eliminate the hubristic
plebians)"
Plenty of hubristic plebians pay taxes.
"Of course, the eventual goal is to eliminate all but the noble
few, among which the best candidate would be chosen as the
monarch."
But even the monarch would not be chosen based on majority
decision. That's the important part.
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Re: Western Democracy
DIR By: 90sRetroFan
Date: April 24, 2024, 1:56 pm
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Still supporting democracy, leftists?
HTML https://rmx.news/article/german-youth-increasingly-support-anti-immigration-afd-party-jumps-to-first-place-after-doubling-support-in-just-1-year/
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> German youth are shifting towards the Alternative for Germany
(AfD) amid concerns over mass immigration, inflation, the
economy, and the war in Ukraine, according to the “Youth in
Germany” study, which was conducted on 14- to 29-year-olds.
> ...
> The study also notes that politically conservative,
anti-immigrant and xenophobic statements have increased among
youth.
>
> “We can speak of a clear shift to the right in the young
population,” summarized researcher Hurrelmann.
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